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Re: The hydrogen future is ever nearer
Reply #45 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 7:21am
 
lee wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 9:37pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Don't worry Elon Musk is offering all of the design patents for free and the chinese are good at copying so it's a match made in heaven for all EV manufacturers.



So why patent things in the first place?

Tesla Just Gave All Its Patents Away to Competitors. Much like Tony Stark, Elon Musk likes to do the impossible. ... In plain English, that means that if other car companies want to produce electric cars, they can use Tesla's technology to do it, and, in turn, advance Musk's sustainability vision.Jun 12, 2014 Wink Wink
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Re: The hydrogen future is ever nearer
Reply #46 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:07pm
 
lee wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 9:37pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Don't worry Elon Musk is offering all of the design patents for free and the chinese are good at copying so it's a match made in heaven for all EV manufacturers.



So why patent things in the first place?


he changed his mind because of people like you knowing they were never going to do anything else except wheel out next years clunker yet once again.
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Reply #47 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:44pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 7:21am:
Tesla Just Gave All Its Patents Away to Competitors. Much like Tony Stark, Elon Musk likes to do the impossible. ... In plain English, that means that if other car companies want to produce electric cars, they can use Tesla's technology to do it, and, in turn, advance Musk's sustainability vision.Jun 12, 2014

And yet he still racks up new patents.

"And yet, despite Musk’s assurances that he avoids patents “whenever possible,” Tesla continued to obtain patents in the year after that post went online. One doesn’t just trip and fall into a patent grant, it has to be actively obtained and the application filing and prosecution process isn’t cheap."

"Musk’s patent free-for-all was designed to get people to produce more electric vehicles, vehicles which would probably use batteries produced by Tesla. It was a brilliant business strategy no doubt, but thinly veiled and duplicitous when he made it about patents instead of consolidating his empire. Tesla stands to reap billions from the sale of those batteries to other carmakers.

So is this a case of an engineering team gone rogue within Tesla? That also doesn’t seem to be the case given the inventors listed on the IP assets. As the Electrek coverage notes, the ‘532 patent lists JB Straubel, Tesla co-founder and chief technical officer (CTO), as an inventor. The ‘918 patent application lists Kurt Kelty, director of battery technology at Tesla, as an inventor. It’s doubtful that people so high up within the organization are acting without the knowledge of Musk. "

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/05/11/tesla-battery-patents-elon-musks-duplicitou...

I'm not sure Musk can give away patents on which he has no ownership.
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Reply #48 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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Re: The hydrogen future is ever nearer
Reply #49 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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KING LEE WILL MAKE THE TIDE STOP: JUST WATCH THE PROPAGANDA ,... KEEP WATCHING AND OH NOES YOUR KIDS HAVE A COPPER INTERNET NOOSE AROUND YOUR HEADS OH WELL GO BACK TO SLEEP,... NOTHING TO SEE3 HEAR FOLKS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALL GOT RENT TO PAY SO GET BACK TO COMING UP WITH SOME RANDOM BUSINESS IDEA BECAUSE,... JUST BECAUSE!

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Re: The hydrogen future is ever nearer
Reply #50 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:44pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 7:21am:
Tesla Just Gave All Its Patents Away to Competitors. Much like Tony Stark, Elon Musk likes to do the impossible. ... In plain English, that means that if other car companies want to produce electric cars, they can use Tesla's technology to do it, and, in turn, advance Musk's sustainability vision.Jun 12, 2014

And yet he still racks up new patents.

"And yet, despite Musk’s assurances that he avoids patents “whenever possible,” Tesla continued to obtain patents in the year after that post went online. One doesn’t just trip and fall into a patent grant, it has to be actively obtained and the application filing and prosecution process isn’t cheap."

"Musk’s patent free-for-all was designed to get people to produce more electric vehicles, vehicles which would probably use batteries produced by Tesla. It was a brilliant business strategy no doubt, but thinly veiled and duplicitous when he made it about patents instead of consolidating his empire. Tesla stands to reap billions from the sale of those batteries to other carmakers.

So is this a case of an engineering team gone rogue within Tesla? That also doesn’t seem to be the case given the inventors listed on the IP assets. As the Electrek coverage notes, the ‘532 patent lists JB Straubel, Tesla co-founder and chief technical officer (CTO), as an inventor. The ‘918 patent application lists Kurt Kelty, director of battery technology at Tesla, as an inventor. It’s doubtful that people so high up within the organization are acting without the knowledge of Musk. "

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/05/11/tesla-battery-patents-elon-musks-duplicitou...

I'm not sure Musk can give away patents on which he has no ownership.

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Re: The hydrogen future is ever nearer
Reply #51 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:50pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:44pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 7:21am:
Tesla Just Gave All Its Patents Away to Competitors. Much like Tony Stark, Elon Musk likes to do the impossible. ... In plain English, that means that if other car companies want to produce electric cars, they can use Tesla's technology to do it, and, in turn, advance Musk's sustainability vision.Jun 12, 2014

And yet he still racks up new patents.

"And yet, despite Musk’s assurances that he avoids patents “whenever possible,” Tesla continued to obtain patents in the year after that post went online. One doesn’t just trip and fall into a patent grant, it has to be actively obtained and the application filing and prosecution process isn’t cheap."

"Musk’s patent free-for-all was designed to get people to produce more electric vehicles, vehicles which would probably use batteries produced by Tesla. It was a brilliant business strategy no doubt, but thinly veiled and duplicitous when he made it about patents instead of consolidating his empire. Tesla stands to reap billions from the sale of those batteries to other carmakers.

So is this a case of an engineering team gone rogue within Tesla? That also doesn’t seem to be the case given the inventors listed on the IP assets. As the Electrek coverage notes, the ‘532 patent lists JB Straubel, Tesla co-founder and chief technical officer (CTO), as an inventor. The ‘918 patent application lists Kurt Kelty, director of battery technology at Tesla, as an inventor. It’s doubtful that people so high up within the organization are acting without the knowledge of Musk. "

http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/05/11/tesla-battery-patents-elon-musks-duplicitou...

I'm not sure Musk can give away patents on which he has no ownership.

A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

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A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

lee is turning tides as we speak  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

lee is turning tides as we speak  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

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A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

lee is turning tides as we speak  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

lee is turning tides as we speak  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

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A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!

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Re: The hydrogen future is ever nearer
Reply #52 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 2:50pm:
A SEED OF DOUBT, LOL!



Nope a stone cold certainty. Sarcasm is so often lost in the printed word. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #53 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:04pm
 
lee wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 9:37pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 31st, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Don't worry Elon Musk is offering all of the design patents for free and the chinese are good at copying so it's a match made in heaven for all EV manufacturers.



So why patent things in the first place?

because a competitor could patent their stuff, then they wouldn't be able to use there own tech....... Wink Wink
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Reply #54 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:11pm
 
Gee the lulus are out with the FULL MOON. It always happens.

Gosh what a trio - LostSnail and DDH and Futility in search of Failure all howling at the moon - you can't get much worse than that.

Their combined knowledge wouldn't fill a tea cup.

Now back to the TOPIC which the normally off topic normally ignored Greeny types think is just an excuse to try to get noticed.



Wow! What a snorter!!!  Makes the fire death trap Tesla look really drab.

...
Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Vehicle



Now have a look at the gleaming hydrogen cars of the future which are here now

https://inhabitat.com/toyota-unveils-mirai-hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-with-300-mile-...


Wonder if Tesla is going to bring out a modern hydrogen car to replace their aging already obsolete all electric heaps ?


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Reply #55 - Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:11pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:04pm:
because a competitor could patent their stuff, then they wouldn't be able to use there own tech......


Under patent law the "invention" can't have been previously used. You must be the "inventor".

Seeing as the products and drawings etc are in the public domain, you would not be able to file for patent. Wink
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Reply #56 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 8:55am
 
juliar wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:11pm:
Gee the lulus are out with the FULL MOON. It always happens.

Gosh what a trio - LostSnail and DDH and Futility in search of Failure all howling at the moon - you can't get much worse than that.

Their combined knowledge wouldn't fill a tea cup.

Now back to the TOPIC which the normally off topic normally ignored Greeny types think is just an excuse to try to get noticed.



Wow! What a snorter!!!  Makes the fire death trap Tesla look really drab.

https://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/11/Toyota-Mirai-Fuel-Cel...
Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Vehicle



Now have a look at the gleaming hydrogen cars of the future which are here now

https://inhabitat.com/toyota-unveils-mirai-hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-with-300-mile-...


Wonder if Tesla is going to bring out a modern hydrogen car to replace their aging already obsolete all electric heaps ?



Looks like a Prius with the KIT treatment.... and how many of these world changers have been sold in the 3-4 years Jules ? don't they have to include $15000 dollars worth of Hydrogen and leases half there cost to just get rid of them ? Wink Wink
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Reply #57 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 8:57am
 
lee wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:11pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 1st, 2018 at 5:04pm:
because a competitor could patent their stuff, then they wouldn't be able to use there own tech......


Under patent law the "invention" can't have been previously used. You must be the "inventor".

Seeing as the products and drawings etc are in the public domain, you would not be able to file for patent. Wink

well in that case u better email Tesla and point out to them that they r wasting money on this and how silly they r. Wink Tongue
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Reply #58 - Jun 2nd, 2018 at 12:06pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jun 2nd, 2018 at 8:57am:
well in that case u better email Tesla and point out to them that they r wasting money on this and how silly they r.



Better still try google and learn for yourself. Then maybe you could make an informed comment.

Until then you are merely blathering.

And I think seeing as Musk has patents he knows how the system works.
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Reply #59 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 1:14pm
 
Gosh the Greeny Type DDH is upset at being exposed as nothing but a technically ignorant attention seeking fraud.

So ignoring the silly waste of space Greeny type DDH and getting back to practical matters which the dumb DDH will NEVER be able to understand.



This is how transport will grow into the future. EV=all electric heap  HV=hybrid vehicle  PHV=plug in hybrid vehicle  FCV=fuel cell vehicle

...



Bear in mind the coal pollution caused by all electrics will put a stop to their expansion as they are basically parasites feeding on the coal power generating system.
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