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Reply #15 - May 28th, 2018 at 9:28am
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 9:21am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 9:13am:
BigOl64 wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
If Hydrogen can be produced for not more than the price of LNG it will be a huge boon to mankind and to Australia if it leads in the technology.

Electric cars are here to stay whether or not hydrogen fuel is developed. Electric cars are more energy efficient than combustion engine powered cars.



Hydrogen cars are electric cars, they just don't have a 1 tonne battery that runs out after 300 kms.


no just a hydrogen bomb(hydrogen is highly corrosive) at 10000psi waiting to explode and 3 times the machinery to make it work.... ohh and electric cars r going 600km's now Wink Wink


Still an electric car.


If you put enough batteries in a car you can 1000 kms if you  want. Still a sh1t load heavier than a hydrogen car and longer to 'refuel'. The QLD waste millions in putting charging station up the QLD coast in some of the podunk villages. Most have never seen an use. Probably get vandalised before they ever see any use.

Why do you think only 2% of cars sold are battery cars, I mean they are the most fkking fantastic invention since sliced bread, aren't they?

It will be a long time before they replace hydrocarbon vehicle unless government forces the change.


do u think any emission or safety feature on our car would be there if the government hadn't stepped in and made the car companies do it Biggy  Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #16 - May 28th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
The Greeny type DDH is like an annoying mosquito that just won't go away.

DDH's technical inadequacy is there for all to see and quickly look away with his childishly silly description of a hydrogen car.

Why are Greeny types always so childish and totally unable to argue anything ?

A car's type is determined by the fuel it uses hence petrol, diesel, LPG, LNG, hydrogen, electric but Greeny type DDH will never be able to understand this.

And don't those Greeny types HATE facts which destroy their Greeny bulldust fantasies.


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Reply #17 - May 28th, 2018 at 10:26am
 
Won't those few geeks who were misguided enough to waste money on an all electric heap spit chips when the value of their battery bomb falls to scrap value while the rest of the world passes by in their hydrogen powered cars and trucks.

No doubt the increasingly frustrated DDH will copy all this and add 1 line of mindless drivel.





CSIRO launch program to make Australia hydrogen fuel leader
By Cole Latimer 8 November 2017 — 11:23pm

The CSIRO has launched new Future Science Platforms to make Australia a renewable energy exporter and hydrogen fuel hotspot.
It is investing $13.5 million into hydrogen fuel research and tailored health solutions.


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Australia is seeking to become a world leader in hydrogen fuel technology. Photo: Adam Finch

Hydrogen fuel has been touted as a major future energy source. The development of a Hydrogen FSP will support the creation of technologies that will enable Australia to export its solar energy and a low-emissions energy source.

"Under our strategy 2020, we're committed to increasing funding for science that underpins innovation and will reinvent and create new industries and jobs for Australia's future," CSRIO chief executive Larry Marshall said.

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New solutions: The hydrogen fuel cycle leaves only water and oxygen behind. Photo: Applied Nano Technologies

"Today's announcement adds two new Future Science Platforms to our portfolio, which will transform two of Australia's most critical sectors – energy and health," Dr Marshall said.

He said that hydrogen also has the potential to act as energy storage in order to stabilise the grid.

"The opportunity for Australia is clear – we have access to vast energy resources through sun, wind, biomass, natural gas and coal, all of which can be used to produce hydrogen, allowing us to potentially become a leading exporter of new low to zero emissions energy," Dr Marshall said.

"Aussie sunshine can be exported all around the world as renewable, sustainable energy," he said at the National Press Club.
CSIRO energy director Karl Rodrigues told Fairfax Media the platform will research low emissions, energy efficient ways of generating hydrogen.

"We could literally bottle our sunshine through electrolysis and sell it," Dr Rodrigues said.

He said much of the demand is currently coming from Japan, adding that there is also growing industry interest in Australia.
"This is a great opportunity to take a global leadership position in new technology," he said.

We could literally bottle our sunshine through electrolysis and sell it.
CSIRO energy director Karl Rodrigues

The creation of a new platform exploring hydrogen fuel technology is of little surprise for the energy sector, after CSIRO flagged hydrogen as a new pillar for the oil and gas industry in its most recent sector roadmap.

It found a renewed interest in hydrogen in many parts of the world represents a way to diversify and contribute to lowering the carbon intensity of the energy sector.
"Its appeal for end-users is that with a few changes to equipment, clean-burning hydrogen can be directly used in combustion applications as well as used directly in fuel cells for power and transport," the CSIRO said.

Dr Marshall said the development of this relatively new sector of the energy industry will put Australia at the forefront of hydrogen technology, and the growth of other major industries.

"This is not only imperative to ensuring Australia has a diverse mix of energy sources but positions us to have a competitive edge in the global energy market, fuelling industries from transport, to manufacturing and agriculture," Dr Marshall said.

Energy and utility companies are also supporting hydrogen's growth as a future power source.

Icon Water and electricity distribution and transmission company ActewAGL awarded an endowment of up to $200,000 to an Australian National University hydrogen researcher on Wednesday.

Associate Professor Antonio Tricoli received the funding for his project investigating the cost-effective production and storage of hydrogen.
"We are proud to provide funding to support research into the fields of sustainable gas, electrical energy storage, sustainable transportation and the transition to a hydrogen economy, and this grant ensures researchers have the financial support to conduct this ground breaking research," ActewAGL general manager, energy networks, Stephen Devlin, said.

Major energy companies are also exploring the space. Shell and Total SA have invested in the Hydrogen Council, with the industry forecasting total investment of $US10.7 billion ($13.7 billion) over the next five years.

It is also expected to support the transformation of the transport industry, with growth in fuel cell electric vehicles predicted to be within the millions globally by 2030.

In Australia, Victoria is leading trials into using hydrogen as a replacement for traditional fuels.

Moreland Council and the Victorian state government launched a world first project earlier this year to run the council's entire fleet on hydrogen fuel.

South Australia is also aiming to integrate hydrogen-powered buses into its Adelaide public transport network.


https://www.smh.com.au/business/csiro-launch-program-to-make-australia-hydrogen-...
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Reply #18 - May 28th, 2018 at 10:37am
 
Australia the leading hydrogen exporting country in the world. A testament to Mal's futuristic vision.

In the mean time Bill Shorten is plotting and planning to RESTART the BOATS and STEAL MONEY from the PENSIONERS.




Hydrogen touted as fuel of the future
By Cole Latimer Updated10 October 2017 — 3:31pmfirst published at 1:13pm

Hydrogen will transform the transport industry and could eventually replace natural gas, Arup's environment and resources leader Mike Straughton says.

Speaking at the Australian Financial Review's National Energy Summit, Mr Straughton outlined the increasing importance of hydrogen as a future energy source, saying it had "moved beyond the Hindenburg".

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The number of hydrogen-powered cars on the road will number into the millions by 2030.Photo: Peter DaSilva

Mr Straughton said hydrogen would play an increasing role in powering the nation, and could eventually replace natural gas.
"Fundamentally, where natural gas is used in turbines, hydrogen could be substituted as a key fuel," he said.


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Hyundai says its new hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will travel more than 580 kilometres between fill-ups. Photo: AP

Major energy companies are also exploring the space. Shell and Total SA have invested in the Hydrogen Council, with the industry forecasting total investment of $US10.7 billion ($13.7 billion) over the next five years.

It is also expected to support the transformation of the transport industry, with growth in fuel cell electric vehicles predicted to be within the millions globally by 2030.

Mr Straughton said that "hydrogen fuel cells make more sense than batteries for long distance transport".

Hydrogen-powered vehicles also have zero emissions, only expelling water vapour.

Trials are already underway using hydrogen-powered vehicles in Victoria. Moreland Council and the Victorian state government launched a world first project last month to run the council's entire fleet on hydrogen fuel. South Australia is also aiming to integrate hydrogen powered buses into its Adelaide public transport network.

The CSIRO flagged hydrogen as a new pillar for the oil and gas industry in its most recent sector roadmap.

"The renewed interest in hydrogen in many parts of the world represents an appealing way to diversify and to help contribute to lowering the carbon intensity of the energy sector," the CSIRO said.

"Its appeal for end-users is that with a few changes to equipment, clean burning hydrogen can be directly used in combustion applications as well as used directly in fuel cells for power and transport."

The CSIRO also forecast the growth of large scale solar and wind-powered electrolysis of water to hydrogen, aiding the decentralisation of fuel production, as hydrogen fuel could be created on site rather than transported.


https://www.smh.com.au/business/hydrogen-touted-as-fuel-of-the-future-20171010-g...
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Reply #19 - May 28th, 2018 at 11:56am
 
juliar wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 9:42am:
The Greeny type DDH is like an annoying mosquito that just won't go away.

DDH's technical inadequacy is there for all to see and quickly look away with his childishly silly description of a hydrogen car.

Why are Greeny types always so childish and totally unable to argue anything ?

A car's type is determined by the fuel it uses hence petrol, diesel, LPG, LNG, hydrogen, electric but Greeny type DDH will never be able to understand this.

And don't those Greeny types HATE facts which destroy their Greeny bulldust fantasies.


https://www.afdc.energy.gov/assets/car_pages/hydrogen.jpg

I'm not sure what it is u think I said but that looks to me like a Electric Vehicle with a Hydrogen Range Extender... Isn't it much like the Chevy Volt only it has a petrol range extender, I see a electric motor and a battery pack... Electric vehicle  Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #20 - May 28th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
If Hydrogen can be produced for not more than the price of LNG it will be a huge boon to mankind and to Australia if it leads in the technology.

Electric cars are here to stay whether or not hydrogen fuel is developed. Electric cars are more energy efficient than combustion engine powered cars.



Hydrogen cars are electric cars, they just don't have a 1 tonne battery that runs out after 300 kms.



They have a lot of batteries in them apparently.
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Reply #21 - May 28th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
juliar wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 10:37am:
[b][i]Australia the leading hydrogen exporting country in the world. A testament to Mal's futuristic vision.



What a pity we have to wait yet another 20 years before we see anything in the car dealerships and most likely another 20 years after that Cheesy LOL
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Reply #22 - May 28th, 2018 at 12:04pm
 
juliar wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 10:37am:
Australia the leading hydrogen exporting country in the world. A testament to Mal's futuristic vision.

In the mean time Bill Shorten is plotting and planning to RESTART the BOATS and STEAL MONEY from the PENSIONERS.




Hydrogen touted as fuel of the future
By Cole Latimer Updated10 October 2017 — 3:31pmfirst published at 1:13pm

Hydrogen will transform the transport industry and could eventually replace natural gas, Arup's environment and resources leader Mike Straughton says.

Speaking at the Australian Financial Review's National Energy Summit, Mr Straughton outlined the increasing importance of hydrogen as a future energy source, saying it had "moved beyond the Hindenburg".

https://s33.postimg.cc/k7ah5ex4f/image.png
The number of hydrogen-powered cars on the road will number into the millions by 2030.Photo: Peter DaSilva

Mr Straughton said hydrogen would play an increasing role in powering the nation, and could eventually replace natural gas.
"Fundamentally, where natural gas is used in turbines, hydrogen could be substituted as a key fuel," he said.

https://s33.postimg.cc/f8myqydwv/image.png
Hyundai says its new hydrogen fuel cell vehicle will travel more than 580 kilometres between fill-ups. Photo: AP

Major energy companies are also exploring the space. Shell and Total SA have invested in the Hydrogen Council, with the industry forecasting total investment of $US10.7 billion ($13.7 billion) over the next five years.

It is also expected to support the transformation of the transport industry, with growth in fuel cell electric vehicles predicted to be within the millions globally by 2030.

Mr Straughton said that "hydrogen fuel cells make more sense than batteries for long distance transport".[

Hydrogen-powered vehicles also have zero emissions, only expelling water vapour.

Trials are already underway using hydrogen-powered vehicles in Victoria. Moreland Council and the Victorian state government launched a world first project last month to run the council's entire fleet on hydrogen fuel. South Australia is also aiming to integrate hydrogen powered buses into its Adelaide public transport network.

The CSIRO flagged hydrogen as a new pillar for the oil and gas industry in its most recent sector roadmap.

"The renewed interest in hydrogen in many parts of the world represents an appealing way to diversify and to help contribute to lowering the carbon intensity of the energy sector," the CSIRO said.

"Its appeal for end-users is that with a few changes to equipment, clean burning hydrogen can be directly used in combustion applications as well as used directly in fuel cells for power and transport."

The CSIRO also forecast the growth of large scale solar and wind-powered electrolysis of water to hydrogen, aiding the decentralisation of fuel production, as hydrogen fuel could be created on site rather than transported.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/hydrogen-touted-as-fuel-of-the-future-20171010-g...

Ok Australia isn't exporting any hydrogen so its a propaganda piece from the first sentence...
not really worth a look just pollies speaking Jules Talk Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #23 - May 28th, 2018 at 12:13pm
 
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57kwh to make 1 litre of Hydrogen.
That will make a Fuel cell car go about 100km's, A battery Car will go about 350km's from the same electricity.
Then once the Hydrogen gets made and pressurized to 10,000 psi, it needs to be decompressed then transferred to a transport truck then pressurized then goto a End Dispenser the whole thing done again then again when it get pumped into a Vehical, so all that needs to be added as well, meanwhile The BEV has done 500KM's on the same energy  Wink Wink Wink
No extra infrastructure either, just a battery at the sola/wind farm and then straight to home/business. Wink

58million SA is going to spend for a 1kwh hydrogen power station.... Desalt plant anyone....... Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #24 - May 28th, 2018 at 12:23pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
https://s33.postimg.cc/8fmlunkin/image.png
57kwh to make 1 litre of Hydrogen.
That will make a Fuel cell car go about 100km's, A battery Car will go about 350km's from the same electricity.
Then once the Hydrogen gets made and pressurized to 10,000 psi, it needs to be decompressed then transferred to a transport truck then pressurized then goto a End Dispenser the whole thing done again then again when it get pumped into a Vehical, so all that needs to be added as well, meanwhile The BEV has done 500KM's on the same energy  Wink Wink Wink
No extra infrastructure either, just a battery at the sola/wind farm and then straight to home/business. Wink

58million SA is going to spend for a 1kwh hydrogen power station.... Desalt plant anyone....... Wink Wink Wink Wink


You forgot to add that the average battler can charge up their EV's at home using FREE energy from the sun.

Yes repeat after me socko.

FREE energy from the sun !!
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Reply #25 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:04pm
 
The two Greeny drongos are competing to see who is the worst. They are like pollution.

Neither of them has the vaguest clue what they are talking about and just parrots silly rubbish they have seen on some bulldust Greeny site.

You would think they would stop punishing themselves by keeping on showing they just don't have the ability to understand technical stuff.

Now a very welcome change from the silly dribbling rubbish oozing out of the Greeny types. Why don't they just disappear ?

Now the garbos are going hydrogen. Soon the all electric heaps will be only worth scrap value.





Australia’s First Hydrogen Refuelling Station to be built in Melbourne
August 7, 2017

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Australia’s First Hydrogen Refuelling Station, able to produce hydrogen from 100 per cent renewable energy using an on-site solar plant and grid-sourced wind power – will be built in  Melbourne.

The Moreland City Council has joined forces with hydrogen utility company H2U to transform its diesel-fuelled garbage truck fleet by adapting them to hydrogen fuel.

The $9.37 million project will see the establishment of Australia’s first commercial-scale hydrogen refuelling station in the local area. The construction is planned to begin early next year and station is set to be fully operational in 2020.

The Andrews Labor Government has also done its part, providing $1 million to support the transition to a zero-emissions fleet of local government vehicles under its $20 million New Energy Jobs Fund.

“We’re investing in new energy technology to reduce greenhouse emissions and create jobs.  The station will initially power the council’s waste collection vehicles, with the long-term aim of including its entire heavy fleet,” said Minister for Energy, Environment and Climate Change Lily D’Ambrosio.

“It’s a fantastic example of how the New Energy Jobs Fund is creating jobs and boosting renewable energy capabilities across Victoria.”

The project – unveiled on Friday 12 May at the 2017 Australasian Fleet Conference and Exhibition – is expected to generate around 15 new jobs while the prototype is being built and further new jobs will be created in fuel cell component manufacturing.

http://www.australianmanufacturing.com.au/46354/australias-first-hydrogen-refuel...



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Soon on a street near you.
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Reply #26 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:18pm
 
juliar wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
The two Greeny drongos are competing to see who is the worst. They are like pollution.

Neither of them has the vaguest clue what they are talking about and just parrots silly rubbish they have seen on some bulldust Greeny site.

You would think they would stop punishing themselves by keeping on showing they just don't have the ability to understand technical stuff.

Now a very welcome change from the silly dribbling rubbish oozing out of the Greeny types. Why don't they just disappear ?

Now the garbos are going hydrogen. Soon the all electric heaps will be only worth scrap value.





Australia’s First Hydrogen Refuelling Station to be built in Melbourne
August 7, 2017

http://www.australianmanufacturing.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Moreland-53...

Australia’s First Hydrogen Refuelling Station, able to produce hydrogen from 100 per cent renewable energy using an on-site solar plant and grid-sourced wind power – will be built in  Melbourne.

The Moreland City Council has joined forces with hydrogen utility company H2U to transform its diesel-fuelled garbage truck fleet by adapting them to hydrogen fuel.

The $9.37 million project will see the establishment of Australia’s first commercial-scale hydrogen refuelling station in the local area.
yes that's only for a refilling station Smiley

The construction is planned to begin early next year and station is set to be fully operational in 2020.

The Andrews Labor Government has also done its part, providing $1 million to support the transition to a zero-emissions fleet of local government vehicles under its $20 million New Energy Jobs Fund.

“We’re investing in new energy technology to reduce greenhouse emissions and create jobs.  The station will initially power the council’s waste collection vehicles, with the long-term aim of including its entire heavy fleet,” said Minister for Energy, Environment and Climate Change Lily D’Ambrosio.

“It’s a fantastic example of how the New Energy Jobs Fund is creating jobs and boosting renewable energy capabilities across Victoria.”

The project – unveiled on Friday 12 May at the 2017 Australasian Fleet Conference and Exhibition – is expected to generate around 15 new jobs while the prototype is being built and further new jobs will be created in fuel cell component manufacturing.

http://www.australianmanufacturing.com.au/46354/australias-first-hydrogen-refuel...



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Soon on a street near you.

Volvo are making BEV garbage trucks now and it wouldn't cost 9 million to just set up a charger for them  Wink Wink and would use 5 times less electricity to run Smiley

Governments r well known to spend money on things that wont work, i guess time will tell if these r White Elephant's.
Tesla in Australia r about the only ev car seller and no help from the government have made up a super fast charging network from Adelaide to Brissy for their vehicles and have only just begun.
All these hydrogen plants are costing 100 of millions of dollars and all paid for by the government's, shell and the other fossil fuel companies are pressing for this stuff, i guess they need more off the government after all the Fossil Fuel Handouts Smiley  Wink Wink
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Reply #27 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:42pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
https://s33.postimg.cc/8fmlunkin/image.png
57kwh to make 1 litre of Hydrogen.
That will make a Fuel cell car go about 100km's, A battery Car will go about 350km's from the same electricity.
Then once the Hydrogen gets made and pressurized to 10,000 psi, it needs to be decompressed then transferred to a transport truck then pressurized then goto a End Dispenser the whole thing done again then again when it get pumped into a Vehical, so all that needs to be added as well, meanwhile The BEV has done 500KM's on the same energy  Wink Wink Wink
No extra infrastructure either, just a battery at the sola/wind farm and then straight to home/business. Wink

58million SA is going to spend for a 1kwh hydrogen power station.... Desalt plant anyone....... Wink Wink Wink Wink


You forgot to add that the average battler can charge up their EV's at home using FREE energy from the sun.

Yes repeat after me socko.

FREE energy from the sun !!


The "average Battler"

Owns their own home

Owns Roof Top Solar system on their own home

Owns an electric car and for when they need to drive any great distance another petrol or diesel vehicle.

And they do all of this to save a few bucks on fuel.



You have no idea what a "battler" is do you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Also "free" isn't that free when you have spent several hundred thousand on capital to save a few hundred in operation costs, either is it genius?


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Reply #28 - May 28th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
BigOl64 wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
If Hydrogen can be produced for not more than the price of LNG it will be a huge boon to mankind and to Australia if it leads in the technology.

Electric cars are here to stay whether or not hydrogen fuel is developed. Electric cars are more energy efficient than combustion engine powered cars.



Hydrogen cars are electric cars, they just don't have a 1 tonne battery that runs out after 300 kms.



They have a lot of batteries in them apparently.



What the fkk are you on about, dolt?
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Reply #29 - May 28th, 2018 at 5:40pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
https://s33.postimg.cc/8fmlunkin/image.png
57kwh to make 1 litre of Hydrogen.
That will make a Fuel cell car go about 100km's, A battery Car will go about 350km's from the same electricity.
Then once the Hydrogen gets made and pressurized to 10,000 psi, it needs to be decompressed then transferred to a transport truck then pressurized then goto a End Dispenser the whole thing done again then again when it get pumped into a Vehical, so all that needs to be added as well, meanwhile The BEV has done 500KM's on the same energy  Wink Wink Wink
No extra infrastructure either, just a battery at the sola/wind farm and then straight to home/business. Wink

58million SA is going to spend for a 1kwh hydrogen power station.... Desalt plant anyone....... Wink Wink Wink Wink


You forgot to add that the average battler can charge up their EV's at home using FREE energy from the sun.

Yes repeat after me socko.

FREE energy from the sun !!


The "average Battler"

Owns their own home

Owns Roof Top Solar system on their own home

Owns an electric car and for when they need to drive any great distance another petrol or diesel vehicle.

And they do all of this to save a few bucks on fuel.



You have no idea what a "battler" is do you?  Grin Grin Grin Grin


Also "free" isn't that free when you have spent several hundred thousand on capital to save a few hundred in operation costs, either is it genius?




you forgot to add a lifetime of service and parts for your fossil fool clunkers. That's where they make most of their money from battlers Wink

As for savings on fuel - yes it is so cheap the stealerships can't even afford you a full tank of fuel when you buy a new car from them. The just give you enough to get you to the next servo to fill up !! And have you come across any of them offering free fillups for the life of the vehicle like Tesla does ? Yes fuel is so cheap for fossil fool clunkers they are almost giving it away Cheesy LOL
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