Everyone knows the current all electric thing is just a passing fad that will quickly become obsolete (just like 200 years ago for the same reason - long recharge times) once the REAL future hydrogen energy becomes readily available.

Now a renewable energy plant in SA is to be used to produce hydrogen as an energy storage.

Adelaide already has hydrogen powered buses coming.



Neoen plans world’s biggest solar + wind powered hydrogen hub in S.A.
By Giles Parkinson on 7 March 2018


Photomontage of proposed Crystal Brook wind farm, site of wind-solar-hydrogen-battery “Superhub”. Source: Neoen

South Australia is laying claim to another “world’s biggest” storage project, this time with wind and solar-powered hydrogen storage to add to its world’s biggest lithium-ion battery storage installation (the Tesla big battery), and the world’s biggest virtual power plant (Tesla again).

The state Labor government has announced plans to provide initial funding, and ultimately a loan, to help French renewable energy developer Neoen build a 50MW hydrogen “electrolyser” that would be powered by a new wind and solar complex at Crystal Brook, north of Adelaide.

The complex will combine a new wind and solar production facility totalling 300MW, along with a significant amount of battery storage, and lay the foundations to export large quantities of “renewable hydrogen” to Asia, competing as a green alternative to LNG.

Neoen, of course, is the operator of the Hornsdale Power Reserve, the official name of the Tesla big battery, and also has another wind project with battery storage in the pipeline for Nectar Farms, (and again with Tesla) providing 100 per cent renewable energy for the country’s biggest greenhouse.

This new development, at the proposed Crystal Brook energy park , just south of Port Pirie in the state’s mid north, and about 40kms from the Hornsdale complex which houses its 315MW wind farm and the 100MW/129MWh Tesla battery, is of another scale.


It would include 150MW of solar, about 150MW of wind, as well as up to 50MW hydrogen plant along with up to 400MWh of battery storage, again most likely with Tesla.

South Australia will provide a $1 million grant to help Neoen complete its feasibility study for the so-called Hydrogen Superhub, and would then provide a further $4 million grant, and a $20 million loan should the $600 million project go ahead.

These monies would be made available through the Renewable Technology Fund, the same mechanism that has provided funding for the Tesla big battery, and numerous other storage-related projects announced in recent months, including this new micro-grid for University of Adelaide unveiled today.

State energy minister Tom Koutsantonis says the hydrogen plant – 5 times bigger than another facility proposed for Port Lincoln – would produce up to 20,000kg of hydrogen per day, which could open up renewable hydrogen exports to Asia.

“Our hydrogen roadmap has laid the groundwork for South Australia to become a world leader in the emerging hydrogen production industry, and to benefit from the economic opportunities that flow from it,” he said in a statement.



“More renewable energy means cheaper power, and I’m pleased the state government can partner with Neoen to once again develop a world-leading renewable energy and storage project following the construction of the Tesla battery at Jamestown.

“The Superhub will enable Neoen to produce renewable hydrogen for overseas export markets, and create 300 construction and ongoing jobs for South Australia.”

The Labor government, of course, is in full election mode, with a state poll due on March 17 and the results on a knife-edge. It has made a string of project and funding announcements, and unveiled a 75 per cent renewable energy target for 2025, along with a 750MW storage target.

The state already sources 50 per cent of its electricity from wind and solar, and the Australian Energy Market Operator says this could rise to 73 per cent as early as 2020/21, and up to 80 per cent by 2026/27.


Franck Woitiez, the head of Neon’s Australian operations, says the project will aim to produce hydrogen at internationally “cost competitive” rates, allowing for the export of hydrogen gas, which will compete with LNG.

“This project aims to take South Australia made renewable electricity in the form of hydrogen based compounds to important national and international markets in Asia and beyond,” he said.

“It has the potential to reach beyond our electricity grids, and supply South Australia’s locally produced clean energy to other states and to our nearby trading partners.”

Neoen is already committed to a hydrogen project for the ACT government, part of its winning tender for stage 3 of the Hornsdale wind farm, which will contribute towards the territory’s 100 per cent renewable electricity by 2020 target.



The ultimate hydrogen future energy continues overleaf

The very obvious future energy supply is cropping up everywhere as the all electric fad prepares to pass into history once again.



A hydrogen-fuelled bus. These vehicles will be on Adelaide's roads by 2020. Hydrogen buses just the ticket for a greener South Australia.
November 1, 2017 12:30am


A hydrogen-fuelled bus. These vehicles will be on Adelaide's roads by 2020.

HYDROGEN-fuelled buses will be seen on Adelaide’s roads before 2020, as part of a new three-year trial powered by the State Government’s ambitions to clean up its transport fleet and build a new export industry.

Expressions of interest for the $9 million trial covering six buses closed on October 9, after which short-listed parties were invited to tender for the project.

A site at Mile End South, currently being developed as an interpeak bus stabling facility, could also host the fuelling station, according to tender documents released by the SA Government.

The fuel station is the first step in long-term plans to build an export industry that feeds into anticipated growing demand for hydrogen from overseas, particularly South Korea and Japan. A hydrogen road map was released in September, also calling for proposals for projects under a $150 million renewable technology fund by October 23.

The bus trial will see the six vehicles powered by electricity from an on-board fuel cell stack, fuelled by hydrogen gas.

One of the tender conditions is for the gas to be produced through electrolysis — a process of using electricity to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen — using South Australian renewable energy sources.

Several other states across Australia are trying to go green with hydrogen.

A Victorian council — Moreland — is undertaking a $9 million effort to run 12 of its 18 garbage trucks on hydrogen by early 2020, with plans to establish a hydrogen fuelling station by late 2019.

The ACT Government has earmarked $180 million for hydrogen projects, including a fleet of cars and a refuelling station.

WA completed a three-year trial in 2007 that saw three hydrogen fuel cell Transperth buses cover more than 260,000km and carry more than 330,000 passengers during that time.

High costs and the lack of ability to produce and distribute sufficient low-cost, emissions-free hydrogen were some of the challenges back then.

New technology improvements, including a CSIRO trial that provides Australia with a key export advantage, the focus on clean green environments, the need for energy security and the potential export demand, are favouring investment in hydrogen.

In May, CSIRO announced a two-year trial to test the commercial potential of a thin metal membrane it has developed that allows hydrogen to be transported in the form of ammonia and then reconverted back to hydrogen at the point of use.

The trial is backed by Toyota Australia and Hyundai, which have imported some fuel cell-powered cars here for demonstration purposes.

Australia does not have any fuel-cell cars for sale yet, although these are manufactured globally for the US, which has hydrogen refuelling stations.

Energy Minister Tom Koutsantonis says he hopes people will drive across the state in a hydrogen-fuelled vehicle, topping up at a statewide network of refuelling stations within a decade.

“If we move now, South Australia can lead the nation in the transition to a clean, safe and sustainable hydrogen economy,” Mr Koutsantonis says.

OTHER HYDROGEN FUEL CELL PILOTS

WA — Perth (2004-2007)
A $10m trial involved three hydrogen fuel cell buses in the Transperth fleet, operated by Path Transit, and covered more than 260,000km and carried more than 330,000 passengers during that time.

Perth was the only southern hemisphere participant in the international trial, along with Hamburg, Stuttgart, Luxembourg, Stockholm, London, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Reykjavik, Madrid, Porto and Beijing.

Victoria — Moreland
The $10 million project, announced in May, will see 12 of the council’s 18 trucks run on hydrogen fuel cells by 2020.

Hydrogen utility company H2U and international vehicle manufacturer CNH Industrial are set to develop the hydrogen fuel cell trucks.

The renewable hydrogen will be generated using electrolysis and a mix of storm water harvesting and solar generation, as well as power purchased from wind farms.

ACT — Canberra
Neoen and Megawatt Capital (developers of the Hornsdale Wind Farm) will invest $55 million in partnership with Siemens and Hyundai to establish a 1.25MW hydrogen electrolyser in Canberra, which converts electricity to hydrogen.

The project includes a refuelling station and service centre and an initial fleet of 20 hydrogen-fuelled cars, including a technical support and research program. It’s part of the Government’s $180 million hydrogen plan.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/newadelaide/hydrogen-buses-just-the-ticket-for-a-g...

If Hydrogen can be produced for not more than the price of LNG it will be a huge boon to mankind and to Australia if it leads in the technology.

Electric cars are here to stay whether or not hydrogen fuel is developed. Electric cars are more energy efficient than combustion engine powered cars.

As usual LostSnail just doesn't get it. He/she shouldn't try to discuss technical matters as he/she just doesn't have the nous for it.

Of course LostSnail won't understand a word of what follows but who cares.


Some 200 hundred years ago there were misguided people saying electric cars are here to stay - they didn't when the starter motor was invented.

The FUNDAMENTAL problem with the all electric heaps is the long recharge time.

Of course the Greeny types will chime in and say Oh that's when you sit down and enjoy a sandwich.

Have you Greeny types ever been to a filling station and watched the many cars and trucks pull in refuel and take off in 10 minutes or so ?

Why don't they hang around for half an hour ? Because they are busy getting on with deliveries etc and time is money.


All electric is really only suitable for cars and perhaps limited range trucks despite Tesla having a sort of truck with a short range.


The other problem that is bedevilling all electric is the battery fires as many Teslas have shown.

As word gets around that all electric cars are fiery death traps just watch the public run away.


On the other hand hydrogen is a direct replacement for petrol and diesel with quick refuel times and can power everything from cars to big trucks.


And now the new very attractive feature of hydrogen is it can be exported. Now you can't really export electricity.

Hydrogen is the new energy storage for renewable wind and solar.


Up she goes!!!!!

Now a very refreshing change from the Greeny type bulldust leaking out of DDH.



SA backs 2nd renewables-to-gas hydrogen plant, in Tonsley
By Sophie Vorrath on 21 February 2018



SA is set to host its 2nd hydrogen production and distribution facility, with the construction of a 1.25MW Siemens electrolyser that will produce hydrogen using electricity from the grid and potentially on-site solar.

The $11.4 mill project, announced on Wednesday by the Australian Gas Infrastructure Group (AGIG), will be built at the Tonsely Innovation Disctrict in Adelaide – the industrial suburb built around the former Mitsubishi car manufacturing plant.

It is not the only example of power to gas technology being developed in Australia, or in SA, for that matter.

Earlier this month, the SA govt announced funding for a 15MW renewable-H2 electrolyser plant to be built near the end of the grid at Port Lincoln on the Eyre Peninsula,

The Port Lincoln facility – to be built by Hydrogen Utility (H2U), working with Germany’s thyssenkrupp – will include a 10MW H2-fired gas turbine, fuelled by local wind and solar power, and a 5MW H2 fuel cell. It remains to be seen which SA project will be completed first.

And in the ACT back in 2016, Neoen and Megawatt Capital announced plans invest $55 mill in partnership with Siemens and Hyundai to establish a 1.25MW H2 electrolyser, including a H2 refuelling station and service centre and an initial fleet of 20 H2 fuelled cars, including a technical support and research program.

The news of the SA Tonsley project coincides with a separate announcement from Carnegie Clean Energy, of its own plans to transform the former Adelaide General Motors Holden factory into a solar and battery storage microgrid, with backing from the SA govt.

And of course the SA govt had a fairly major announcement of its own on Wednesday, revealing pre-election policy plans to boost its renewable energy target to 75% by 2025, and to introduce the nation’s first “energy storage target” of 750MW by the same date.

The hydrogen produced by the Tonsley-based power-to-gas demonstration plant – to be known as Hydrogen Park SA (HyP SA) – will be injected into AGIG’s local gas network. intially to power the Tonsley Innovation District – but with the ability to supply a proposed residential development in the area and other remote customers through tube and trailer facilities.

As one of the 1st major demonstration of the technology, the facility is also expected to play a crucial role in showing how electrolysers can be integrated into electricity networks around the country, to support energy stability as more renewable energy generation capacity comes onto the grid.

Like the newly announced microgrid at the former Holden plant, the Hydrogen Park project has been awarded grant funding from the SA govt – in this case, $4.9 mill from the $150 mill Renewable Technology Fund.

“We are delighted that SA will lead the way with this pioneering technology,” AGIG’s Andrew Staniford said on Wednesday.

“The project is expected to be the 1st in Australia where renewable electricity is stored and distributed in the gas network as H2, providing an additional market for fluctuating renewable electricity and thereby also improving the economics of renewable electricity.

“And importantly, it propels SA’s status as a leader in renewable technology and a first mover in hydrogen,” Staniford said.

Jeff Connolly, CEO and chair of Siemens Aust said his company was excited to be a part of delivering “proven and world leading H2 technology” to Australia.

“It’s pleasing to see H2 become reality since we began driving this conversation in Australia only a few short years ago,” he said from the CEDA: Economic and Political Overview in Adelaide event in Adelaide on Wednesday.

“Reticulating H2 into the gas network supports de-carbonisation of the state.

“It also supports the development of a domestic market for H2 which I believe can lead to Australia becoming a renewable energy export superpower if we harness the untapped renewable assets of the country.”

Siemens’ electrolyser technology will use proton exchange membrane (PEM), which are designed to operate in highly variable conditions such as those created by renewable energy generation.

According to Siemens, PEM Electrolysers have a very fast start-up time and can quickly absorb excess renewable energy from a power system, converting water into hydrogen and oxygen.

“These utility scale electrolysers can, with surgical precision, be energized and de-energized in less than 10 secs, capturing excess energy from the grid when energised,” Siemens said.

Essentially, it added, they play a demand side management role within the energy system, and may be used as a tool to keep the grid in balance.

“This is about using inexpensive or free energy, which would otherwise be spilled to produce a clean form of stored energy that has many value streams – 100% pure H2, with the only by-product being 100% pure oxygen.”

https://reneweconomy.com.au/sa-backs-second-renewables-gas-hydrogen-plant-tonsle...

Unforgiven wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:



Hydrogen cars are electric cars, they just don't have a 1 tonne battery that runs out after 300 kms.

BigOl64 wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 9:06am:

no just a hydrogen bomb(hydrogen is highly corrosive) at 10000psi waiting to explode and 3 times the machinery to make it work.... ohh and electric cars r going 600km's now

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 9:13am:


Still an electric car.


If you put enough batteries in a car you can 1000 kms if you  want. Still a sh1t load heavier than a hydrogen car and longer to 'refuel'. The QLD waste millions in putting charging station up the QLD coast in some of the podunk villages. Most have never seen an use. Probably get vandalised before they ever see any use.

Why do you think only 2% of cars sold are battery cars, I mean they are the most fkking fantastic invention since sliced bread, aren't they?

It will be a long time before they replace hydrocarbon vehicle unless government forces the change.