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Reply #15 - May 27^th, 2018 at 9:25pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:

lee wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 7:12pm:

Its a load of crap, none of the info is from Tesla , just some shorters trying to make a buck if they can make Tesla look bad, at least read the crap u post lee

So you have proof of this? Or is it just another one of your assertions?

I guess the one about the assembly line is false too. Grin

Yes try reading and understanding what u post Lee, it’s speculation, no info from Tesla...... you believe this crap yet if it’s AGW even the best source without actual evidence you fight against.

How did they get that it’s costing Tesla 8 k for every model3 made Wink

he not only believes it but he also prays for it to be true Cheesy

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Reply #16 - May 27^th, 2018 at 9:25pm

lee wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:

Yes try reading and understanding what u post Lee, it’s speculation, no info from Tesla

Ad of course therefore they don't know because only Musk knows, none of the board members etc. Wink

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:

you believe this crap yet if it’s AGW even the best source without actual evidence you fight against.

So tell me what is the proof of this AGW . Wink

NB: Climate Models are not proof.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:

How did they get that it’s costing Tesla 8 k for every model3 made

You don't think analysts have a good idea of business costs?

Of course we can wait till the end of Quarter3. Musk has said Tesla will be profitable by then.

Of course you are free to believe as you will. I can't force you to believe anything.

Proof lee not some dodgey analysis to that can say anything. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: Tesla Model 3 "One hell of a car" says Top Gear Reply #17 - May 27^th, 2018 at 9:30pm DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:25pm: Proof lee not some dodgey analysis to that can say anything. You mean like the "proof" you offered for " just some shorters trying to make a buck"? Wait until Q3 Musk has said he will make a profit by then. You true believer you.
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Reply #18 - May 28^th, 2018 at 7:20am

lee wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:30pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27^th, 2018 at 9:25pm:

Proof lee not some dodgey analysis to that can say anything.

You mean like the "proof" you offered for " just some shorters trying to make a buck"? Grin

Wait until Q3 Musk has said he will make a profit by then. Wink

You true believer you.

I don't know if 3rd quarter will bring profit or not, at least you r quoting something that has been really said instead of speculation Wink

$8000 loss per Model3 is what u posted Lee, love to see the number's for that... ohh wait is Lee's dream. Wink

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Re: Tesla Model 3 "One hell of a car" says Top Gear
Reply #19 - May 28^th, 2018 at 10:55am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 7:20am:

I don't know if 3rd quarter will bring profit or not, at least you r quoting something that has been really said instead of speculation Wink Wink
$8000 loss per Model3 is what u posted Lee, love to see the number's for that... ohh wait is Lee's dream.

And still no ""proof" you offered for " just some shorters trying to make a buck"?" Grin

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Reply #20 - May 28^th, 2018 at 11:15am

Tesla shares - 104,637,080

https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/ownership-summary

Losses $3.35/ share

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/02/tesla-earnings-q1-2018/

Loss - $350,534,218

Vehicles sold all versions - 29,980

Loss/ vehicle - $11,692

That's just rough figures and I don't have the inside contacts that business analysts have.

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Reply #22 - May 28^th, 2018 at 1:41pm

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 11:15am:

Tesla shares - 104,637,080

https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/ownership-summary

Losses $3.35/ share

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/02/tesla-earnings-q1-2018/

Loss - $350,534,218

Vehicles sold all versions - 29,980

Loss/ vehicle - $11,692

That's just rough figures and I don't have the inside contacts that business analysts have.

and Tesla increased production by how much?
Doesn't matter how often they spend more than they make as long as production keeps increasing (looks to be 100% increase this year over last year). If they where loosing money and same production, I think investors would be worried, as it is the stocks are way overpriced and that's because the investors know its a sure thing and prices r high because anyone with a brain is still trying to buy stock or it would be less than a dollar a share now Wink

still waiting for that magic 8k lose on the manufacturing of a Tesla3, Tesla3 are about 20% profit and raising. Still waiting Lee Wink

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Reply #23 - May 28^th, 2018 at 1:48pm

Secret Wars wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:05pm:

Tesla fanbois seem to be similar to Apple fanbois and just as willing to ignore anything negative.

Secret it was a story about a story about someone guessing that a car company is loosing money manufacturing a car, all I have asked for is some facts and proof.
If Tesla are loosing 8k per Model3 that's fine and Tesla's problem. Tesla haven't released this amount or even anything like that .
On the first quarter meeting they did say that the Model3's where getting to the 25% profit margin and that's about it.
Lee just gets Product profit and production increase costs mixed up.... Wink

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Reply #24 - May 28^th, 2018 at 2:21pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

and Tesla increased production by how much?

"Prior to a planned shutdown in mid-April to further increase production, we produced more than 2,000 Model 3 vehicles for three straight weeks,and we hit 2,270 in the last of those weeks. Even at this stage of the ramp, Model 3 is already on the cusp of becoming the best-selling mid-sized premium sedan in the US, and our deliveries continue to increase."

https://insideevs.com/tesla-posts-q1-2018-results/

From a low base.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:48pm:

On the first quarter meeting they did say that the Model3's where getting to the 25% profit margin and that's about it.

"On the other hand, “let’s look at Tesla and the Model 3. Tesla is aiming for 25% gross margin on the Model 3 and mid-teens profit margin (let’s say 14%). "

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/12/tesla-model-3-profit-target-5x-higher-avera...

You do understand the difference between aiming for a profit and actually achieving it?

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

l waiting for that magic 8k lose on the manufacturing of a Tesla3, Tesla3 are about 20% profit and raising. Still waiting Lee

Ask the people who did the report if you are so interested. Wink

I only posted what was reported.

Now perhaps you can show where they have said they are achieving 20% profit margin.

And also the "shorters" claim

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Reply #26 - May 28^th, 2018 at 2:45pm

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:21pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

and Tesla increased production by how much?

Ahh the old one line out of context trick.. lol why didn't u post the next line ?

ohh here it is

Doesn't matter how often they spend more than they make as long as production keeps increasing (looks to be 100% increase this year over last year)

[color=#0000ff]ohh my I answered that question when I posted it Wink

[/color]"Prior to a planned shutdown in mid-April to further increase production, we produced more than 2,000 Model 3 vehicles for three straight weeks,and we hit 2,270 in the last of those weeks. Even at this stage of the ramp, Model 3 is already on the cusp of becoming the best-selling mid-sized premium sedan in the US, and our deliveries continue to increase."

https://insideevs.com/tesla-posts-q1-2018-results/

From a low base.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:48pm:

On the first quarter meeting they did say that the Model3's where getting to the 25% profit margin and that's about it.

"On the other hand, “let’s look at Tesla and the Model 3. Tesla is aiming for 25% gross margin on the Model 3 and mid-teens profit margin (let’s say 14%). "

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/12/tesla-model-3-profit-target-5x-higher-avera...

You do understand the difference between aiming for a profit and actually achieving it?

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:41pm:

l waiting for that magic 8k lose on the manufacturing of a Tesla3, Tesla3 are about 20% profit and raising. Still waiting Lee

Ask the people who did the report if you are so interested. Wink

I only posted what was reported.

Now perhaps you can show where they have said they are achieving 20% profit margin.

google is your friend Lee

And also the "shorters" claim

I love that u post up something you pasted and when asked about it

I only posted what was reported.

That's ok , just don't expect to be taken seriously Wink

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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Tesla Model 3 "One hell of a car" says Top Gear Reply #27 - May 28^th, 2018 at 2:54pm lee wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:23pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 1:48pm: Lee just gets Product profit and production increase costs mixed up. Yeah. I can read a Balance Sheet and a P&L; you? just not climate reports
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: Tesla Model 3 "One hell of a car" says Top Gear Reply #28 - May 28^th, 2018 at 7:03pm DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:54pm: just not climate reports I can read them too. You however don't appear to be able to comprehend the Plain English Summary let alone the Abstract. You appear to want me to do the extra research for you.
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Reply #29 - May 28^th, 2018 at 7:09pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

ow perhaps you can show where they have said they are achieving 20% profit margin.
google is your friend Lee

Yes. and seeing you haven't posted your link, I can safely assume you couldn't either. Wink

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

I love that u post up something you pasted and when asked about it

I only posted what was reported.

As opposed to you who makes unsubstantiated statements and still hasn't backed them up. The "shorters" statement comes to mind. Grin

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28^th, 2018 at 2:45pm:

That's ok , just don't expect to be taken seriously

I at least put links to my statement of claims. You? Grin

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