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Study: Foreign Aid Spending good for Australia
May 26th, 2018 at 3:30pm
 
This is a smack in the eye for Valkie, Gordon, FreeDiver, and their ilk.

The implication is that Australia makes a 710% return on its investment in foreign aid.

https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2017/10/study-shows-foreign-aid-spending-go...

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Study Shows Foreign Aid Spending is Good for Australian Exports
New economic modelling from The Australian National University (ANU) has found that every additional $1 spent on Australian foreign aid in Asia has resulted in $7.10 in Australian exports.
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The study, described as the first of its kind in Australia, also found the results were consistent, irrespective of whether Australian aid was “tied” to Australian contractors or not.

Co-author of the research Dr Matthew Dornan, the deputy director of the ANU Development Policy Centre, said the modelling clearly showed that foreign aid had resulted in economic benefits for Australia, in addition to its already established impacts on poverty alleviation.

“They’re impressive numbers,” Dornan said.

“It’s clear Australian aid is serving our national interests through growing economies in our neighbourhood, which then provides benefits to Australian exporters.

“We conclude that calls to ‘tie’ aid [to Australian contractors] are, at best, a distraction, with aid increasing exports more significantly through other (non-tying) channels.”

The study looked at Australian export data in relation to foreign aid spending between 1980 and 2013. Australia untied its aid program in 2006, allowing the researchers to examine the impact of that policy change.

“We wanted to see whether the shift away from tied aid has had any impact on Australian exporters,” Dornan said.

“The results showed the shift away from tied aid has had no impact on exports.

“In a context where the national interest has been given greater emphasis by the Australian government, our results show that the tying debate is at best a ‘distraction’.”

In a speech at the ANU in February this year, Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop highlighted the need for the Australian international aid sector to better explain why it was in the national interest to support developing countries.

The senior economic development policy advisor at World Vision Australia Dane Moores told Pro Bono News this research strengthened the case for the Australian government to increase the aid budget.

“[The research] shows that Australian aid has had positive and significant impacts on Australian exports, in this case in Asia,” Moores said.

“There are commercial co-benefits for Australia from increasing aid to developing countries. In addition to empowering communities and helping families lift themselves out of poverty, Australian aid can strengthen the enabling environment for business and trade to thrive.

“Australian aid makes economic sense. The study confirms that Australian aid is highly effective and generates a large return on its investment, although we should not forget that the most important return is reducing poverty and empowering local communities.”
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Reply #1 - May 26th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
BS ... if countries need our aid they are or should hardly be in a position to pay us handsomely in return by any means.

The idea of aid is to help out those less fortunate ...

not take economic advantage of them.

We don't need to be giving over $357 million in aid to these people to spend on military hardware.
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Reply #2 - May 26th, 2018 at 9:33pm
 
Foreign Aid is dressed up as humanitarian, when more often it is an instrument of foreign policy, or more specifically, the buying of friends. The only way to buy Indonesian friendship is by converting to Islam, and sooner or later, Islamics are going to kick out the bourgeois government minority, rendering our aid a waste.
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Reply #3 - May 26th, 2018 at 10:25pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Foreign Aid is dressed up as humanitarian, when more often it is an instrument of foreign policy, or more specifically, the buying of friends. The only way to buy Indonesian friendship is by converting to Islam, and sooner or later, Islamics are going to kick out the bourgeois government minority, rendering our aid a waste. 


Absolutely and quite often it's a cheaper alternative to help others stay at home rather than having them try and move here or cheaper than military action to keep them on side. People that think foreign aid is a waste do not look at the whole picture. They are a bit like the Liberal Party, they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2018 at 12:36am
 
As soon as I see 'exports' I know we are talking about Banana Republicanism, and not some viable long-term economic solution for this nation.

I am also concerned about the level of aid that actually 'grows economies' in rather repressed and backward nations.  Are 'we' really assisting the Sri Lankan shirt builder to a better life in a better economy... or are we aiding and abetting exploitation on the grand scale, while those shirt builders remain in a poverty stricken existence and struggle to support their family with even basics such as food?

What happens to them when they grow older and less capable, their hands riddled with pain from arthritis and their backs bent from toil?  Are they thrown on the scrap heap like the father in D.H. Lawrence's 'Sons and Lovers' and gradually reduced to nothing by way of sustenance (and without any form of social security)?

When we talk about economies of nations, we need to look at the entire gamut of what is actually involved, and whether or not it improves the general situation for the majority of people there, or just assists the few to gain further extreme riches at the expense of every other person in that nation, and at the expense of any viable long term economic stability that will genuinely raise the standard of living for those ordinary people who do not benefit from this aid.

I smell some serious pork here in two ways - pork barreling and porkies..... and an utter lack of real intuition and understanding by the promulgators of this report.....

Adios Muchachos.... Hasta La Vista.... if you wish to play international socialist, you must provide a genuine outcome..... thanks for coming.  Huh

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I am also concerned about the level of aid that actually 'grows economies' in rather repressed and backward nations.  Are 'we' really assisting the Sri Lankan shirt builder to a better life in a better economy... or are we aiding and abetting exploitation on the grand scale, while those shirt builders remain in a poverty stricken existence and struggle to support their family with even basics such as food?


It worked in China. People used to complain about child labourers there. Now they have a nation of spoilt princes.
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Reply #6 - May 27th, 2018 at 8:29pm
 
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I am also concerned about the level of aid that actually 'grows economies' in rather repressed and backward nations.  Are 'we' really assisting the Sri Lankan shirt builder to a better life in a better economy... or are we aiding and abetting exploitation on the grand scale, while those shirt builders remain in a poverty stricken existence and struggle to support their family with even basics such as food?


It worked in China. People used to complain about child labourers there. Now they have a nation of spoilt princes.



Yes - but they copped a massive infusion of heavy and tertiary industries from the West as part of the 'cultural assimilation' process - making over a Communist nation into a capitalist one - and the outcome is there to see.

For example, while China may beat the drum a little over North Korea and its' brotherly independence' etc - there is no way China, or rather its new capitalist elite ruling class, is going to risk its new found mega-fortune on some silly haircut boy from the neighbourhood.

That is why Trump is getting a virtual free hand to handle the lad...

Anyway - providing opportunities for a massive expansion, as in China, even though it benefits the ruling elite most, is not quite the same as simply offering a chance to make shirts in Srindia - where with a heavy industry etc base on the mega-scale there is a level of 'flow-down' and that is in itself a primary promoter of an upward push by the working classes for more and more.  In a limited manufacturing market without initial production, there is little to no real flow-down to the shirt workers.... and little to no chance of their expecting or gaining a better deal.

China, as I've said many times before, is currently in the throes of adjusting to Western values, based on its capitalism, and that means that the factory workers are gradually gaining higher and higher wages, and this causes a rise in farm production prices etc, and a general demand for a better standard of income and of living.  China will one day find itself in the exact same situation as the West - its wages will be non-competitive compared to the trashed wages of the West, and thus the cycle will be reversed.

In Srindia, without that basic production capability and only on-sewing of already produced materials, there is no such thing happening, and the possibility of the working masses gaining a better standard of living and income is remote.

The funny thing is that costs of living and wages go hand in hand,  and when you pay some a higher rate of pay, that unbalances the market for COL/income, and creates forces for rises in other areas, followed by a demand for yet another rise in the (in the case of China) wages of the CHIMP (Chinese Industrial and Marketing Person)..... and so it goes on and on until one day all will be equal and all markets will be stagnant.
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Reply #7 - May 27th, 2018 at 9:45pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
... if countries need our aid they are or should hardly be in a position to pay us handsomely in return by any means. ...


Australia is not that generous that it gives money to countries that cannot give Australia a return on its money.

Australia gives aid to Indonesia because it makes a return on that aid.

One of the principal reasons to give aid to developing countries is to foster their economic and social development so that their people are less likely to want to indulge in illegal emigration.
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Reply #8 - May 27th, 2018 at 9:51pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Gnads wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
... if countries need our aid they are or should hardly be in a position to pay us handsomely in return by any means. ...


Australia is not that generous that it gives money to countries that cannot give Australia a return on its money.

Australia gives aid to Indonesia because it makes a return on that aid.

One of the principal reasons to give aid to developing countries is to foster their economic and social development so that their people are less likely to want to indulge in illegal emigration.


Or buy them attack copters to kill west paupuans.
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Reply #9 - May 27th, 2018 at 10:16pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 9:51pm:
Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Gnads wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
... if countries need our aid they are or should hardly be in a position to pay us handsomely in return by any means. ...


Australia is not that generous that it gives money to countries that cannot give Australia a return on its money.

Australia gives aid to Indonesia because it makes a return on that aid.

One of the principal reasons to give aid to developing countries is to foster their economic and social development so that their people are less likely to want to indulge in illegal emigration.


Or buy them attack copters to kill west paupuans.


You seem to ignore the fact that it is the USA that sells Indonesia attack helicopters, weapons and munitions.

In fact, Indonesia would not be in West Papua without USA's consent, which also means Australian consent.

The USA has corporate interests in West Papua which means it condones what is happening there.

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The Grasberg Mine is the largest gold mine and the second largest copper mine in the world. It is located in the province of Papua in Indonesia near Puncak Jaya, the highest mountain in Papua. It has 19,500 employees. Wikipedia
Address: Arwandop, Tembagapura, Mimika Regency, Papua 98972, Indonesia
Opened: 1973
Production: Gold
Province: Papua
Phone: +60 19-224 4123
Company: Freeport-McMoRan
Financial year: 2016


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Reply #10 - May 27th, 2018 at 10:18pm
 
Consent or jellyfishing?  Just a little backwater - no need to get excited over the civil rights and right to life of 100,000+ non-Indonesians....
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Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Gnads wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
... if countries need our aid they are or should hardly be in a position to pay us handsomely in return by any means. ...


Australia is not that generous that it gives money to countries that cannot give Australia a return on its money.

Australia gives aid to Indonesia because it makes a return on that aid.

One of the principal reasons to give aid to developing countries is to foster their economic and social development so that their people are less likely to want to indulge in illegal emigration.


1.  We get to send our lower classes there for cheap holidays.

2.  You serious?  You seriously don't think that 'people smugglers' (leaving aside the separate issue of those who seek to come here by any means) and Indonesian authorities are not in league?  How little you know of the Third World.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Consent or jellyfishing?  Just a little backwater - no need to get excited over the civil rights and right to life of 100,000+ non-Indonesians....


Is Grappler practicing insidious bigotry without the disguise of flowery prose and stories of his purported heroic exploits to disguise the bigotry?
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Reply #13 - May 27th, 2018 at 10:27pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Gnads wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
... if countries need our aid they are or should hardly be in a position to pay us handsomely in return by any means. ...


Australia is not that generous that it gives money to countries that cannot give Australia a return on its money.

Australia gives aid to Indonesia because it makes a return on that aid.

One of the principal reasons to give aid to developing countries is to foster their economic and social development so that their people are less likely to want to indulge in illegal emigration.


1.  We get to send our lower classes there for cheap holidays.

2.  You serious?  You seriously don't think that 'people smugglers' (leaving aside the separate issue of those who seek to come here by any means) and Indonesian authorities are not in league?  How little you know of the Third World.
Depends what you mean by "authorities", there may be some evidence of collusion amongst low level local law enforcement by way of bribery but theres nothing to suggest any high level government corruption involved in the people smuggling trade from Indonesia. Neither does there need to be.
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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2018 at 10:35pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on May 27th, 2018 at 8:33am:
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I am also concerned about the level of aid that actually 'grows economies' in rather repressed and backward nations.  Are 'we' really assisting the Sri Lankan shirt builder to a better life in a better economy... or are we aiding and abetting exploitation on the grand scale, while those shirt builders remain in a poverty stricken existence and struggle to support their family with even basics such as food?


It worked in China. People used to complain about child labourers there. Now they have a nation of spoilt princes.



Yes - but they copped a massive infusion of heavy and tertiary industries from the West as part of the 'cultural assimilation' process - making over a Communist nation into a capitalist one - and the outcome is there to see.

For example, while China may beat the drum a little over North Korea and its' brotherly independence' etc - there is no way China, or rather its new capitalist elite ruling class, is going to risk its new found mega-fortune on some silly haircut boy from the neighbourhood.

That is why Trump is getting a virtual free hand to handle the lad...

Anyway - providing opportunities for a massive expansion, as in China, even though it benefits the ruling elite most, is not quite the same as simply offering a chance to make shirts in Srindia - where with a heavy industry etc base on the mega-scale there is a level of 'flow-down' and that is in itself a primary promoter of an upward push by the working classes for more and more.  In a limited manufacturing market without initial production, there is little to no real flow-down to the shirt workers.... and little to no chance of their expecting or gaining a better deal.

China, as I've said many times before, is currently in the throes of adjusting to Western values, based on its capitalism, and that means that the factory workers are gradually gaining higher and higher wages, and this causes a rise in farm production prices etc, and a general demand for a better standard of income and of living.  China will one day find itself in the exact same situation as the West - its wages will be non-competitive compared to the trashed wages of the West, and thus the cycle will be reversed.

In Srindia, without that basic production capability and only on-sewing of already produced materials, there is no such thing happening, and the possibility of the working masses gaining a better standard of living and income is remote.

The funny thing is that costs of living and wages go hand in hand,  and when you pay some a higher rate of pay, that unbalances the market for COL/income, and creates forces for rises in other areas, followed by a demand for yet another rise in the (in the case of China) wages of the CHIMP (Chinese Industrial and Marketing Person)..... and so it goes on and on until one day all will be equal and all markets will be stagnant.


No matter how rich everyone gets, you still have to pay other people a similar amount to what you earn. But everyone gets more TVs.

Not sure what the distinction is you are making between China and Srindia. China had no production capability a few decades ago. They were peasants eating locusts.

You are also wrong about higher salaries making people uncompetitive. People's salaries only go up if they remain competitive at that salary. If your salary is so high you don't have a job any more, you accept a low salary.

You are also wrong about markets inevitably stagnating. You are assuming a zero sum game. We are not so rich because the peasants in China or India are poor. We are rich because of all the new technologies we are creating to provide goods and services to ourselves. When the Chinese middle class exploded onto the world stage it did not send us broke. It pushed up the price of our iron ore, beef, degrees etc. If you think the last 100 years was an economic revolution, wait to see what happens over the next century as a few billion more people get in on the action.
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