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Reply #45 - Jun 30^th, 2018 at 8:28pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 11:26am:

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 10:54am:

And why did you yourself argue that there was a point in justifying it at the same time as denying it?

That was my bad. I thought I could make a rational academic point about a hypothetical without forevermore being labelled the all-time worst racist.

Boy was I wrong.

The fact that you continue to shriek emotive hyperbole like "slaughter" (and other times "genocide") for the wholly unremarkable alleged execution of some soldiers who had conspired with the victors enemies to bring down an entire society - shows how sensible this debate will ever get.

Well yes, but FD still hasn't answered this:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:04pm:

If FD had a choice between being a dribbling imbecile or giving a straight answer, which would he choose?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #46 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 2:11pm Oh look Baron's run off.
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Reply #47 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 3:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 2:11pm:

Oh look Baron's run off.

No i haven't I have a life.

We know muslims don't keep a headcount while hacking heads off with non muslims, we have a figure of 900 men we do know all the males with pubic hair had their heads chopped off.

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Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (p.b.u.h) offered the Fajr prayer when it was still dark, then he rode and said, 'Allah Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. When we approach near to a nation, the most unfortunate is the morning of those who have been warned." The people came out into the streets saying, "Muhammad and his army." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) vanquished them by force and their warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives. Safiya was taken by Dihya Al-Kalbi and later she belonged to Allah's Apostle go who married her and her Mahr was her manumission.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari/12/6

Safiya was a captive who Muhammad married on the very same day he had her husbands head chopped off.

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #48 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:32pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 3:42pm: we have a figure of 900 men We have figures of 400 (two sources), and ranges of 600-800 and 600-900. Are you claiming the "Islamic sources" of 400 were wrong?
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Reply #49 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 6:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 5:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 3:42pm:

we have a figure of 900 men

We have figures of 400 (two sources), and ranges of 600-800 and 600-900.

Are you claiming the "Islamic sources" of 400 were wrong?

You said only the leaders were killed. Were there 400 leaders?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #50 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 7:29pm They're not the figures I believe FD, Baron was the one asserting that "Islamic sources" gave a figure of 800-900, or 900 depending on which post of his we are going with. I think I have pretty clearly established that is at the very least cherry picking the sources - wouldn't you agree?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47460 At my desk.	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #51 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 7:36pm Wikipedia does not seem to give much credence to the 400 figure. And if you don't believe any of them, it's a bit strange to argue over them. It's like a holocaust denier pretending to be one of those ones who just blames the Jews for inflating the numbers.
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Reply #52 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:04pm

Does wikipedia say that the only range given by "Islamic sources" is 800-900?

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2018 at 7:36pm:

It's like a holocaust denier pretending to be one of those ones who just blames the Jews for inflating the numbers.

Holocaust denial received an unnecessary and undeserved boost by the now debunked '4 million at Auschwitz alone' claim - precisely because it was regurgitated as fact without challenge.

You are even worse than the sloppy holocaust researchers - since you don't know the first thing about the actual historical sources of the alleged massacre and their credibility. You just blindly regurgitate what wikipedia and/or what islamophobes and ignorant muslims spoon feed you - and validate it with the tried and true "if you question it, you must be anti-semitic"

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47460 At my desk.	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #53 - Jul 1^st, 2018 at 8:20pm I think it says 600-900.
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