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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #15 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 1:39pm yes. Let me guess, wrong answer?
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41429 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #16 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 1:40pm freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2018 at 6:40pm: How is Muhammad's treatment of the Khaybar Jews similar to modern international treaties, or the post WWII treatment of Japan and Germany? Which modern treaties endorse ethnic cleansing? ╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #17 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 1:51pm Why is it a difficult question?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #18 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 4:21pm I said it was difficult?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #19 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 4:28pm You did say yes Gandalf.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #20 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 7:43pm you asked me two questions FD - have a guess which one I was answering.
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Reply #21 - Jun 6^th, 2018 at 8:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 3:56pm:

Gandalf how is Muhammad's practice of slaughtering Jews, ethnic cleansing, 100% taxation etc similar to modern treaties or the treatment of Japan and German after WWII?

you must be referring to this:

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the Quran's advise on the conduct of war and how to deal with the conquered is good universal advise, and incidentally not dissimilar to current international treaties and agreements on those issues, for any nation who faces hostility - muslim or non-muslim.

Read it again slowly FD - particularly the first 3 words.

OK, if you think that Muhammad's actions were consistent with the Quran's advice, can you stop your dodging on this question?

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92296 Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #22 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:04pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 7:43pm: you asked me two questions FD - have a guess which one I was answering. If FD had a choice between being a dribbling imbecile or giving a straight answer, which would he choose?
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Reply #23 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 8:32pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 7:43pm:

you asked me two questions FD - have a guess which one I was answering.

If FD had a choice between being a dribbling imbecile or giving a straight answer, which would he choose?

You have cornered the dribbling imbecile market, Paki, so FD would just have to make do with the intelligent and straightforward option.

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Reply #24 - Jun 8^th, 2018 at 8:33pm

Frank wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 8:32pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 5:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 7:43pm:

you asked me two questions FD - have a guess which one I was answering.

If FD had a choice between being a dribbling imbecile or giving a straight answer, which would he choose?

You have cornered the dribbling imbecile market, Paki, so FD would just have to make do with the intelligent and straightforward option.

Well yes, old boy, but what if he had a choice?

We'll let FD answer for himself, shall we?

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Reply #25 - Jun 22^nd, 2018 at 11:54pm

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 8:37pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2018 at 3:56pm:

Gandalf how is Muhammad's practice of slaughtering Jews, ethnic cleansing, 100% taxation etc similar to modern treaties or the treatment of Japan and German after WWII?

you must be referring to this:

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the Quran's advise on the conduct of war and how to deal with the conquered is good universal advise, and incidentally not dissimilar to current international treaties and agreements on those issues, for any nation who faces hostility - muslim or non-muslim.

Read it again slowly FD - particularly the first 3 words.

OK, if you think that Muhammad's actions were consistent with the Quran's advice, can you stop your dodging on this question?

Can you explain to me in what way the answer "yes" is dodging?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #26 - Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 8:12am Gandalf how is Muhammad's practice of slaughtering Jews, ethnic cleansing, 100% taxation etc similar to modern treaties or the treatment of Japan and German after WWII?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #27 - Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 10:45am ..aaand round and round in circles we go... polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2018 at 12:09pm: Somehow its just never quite gotten through to FD how pointless it is to demand someone justify something he doesn't believe happened in the first place.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: Muhammad and the Khaybar Jews Reply #28 - Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 10:54am How many Jews do you think Muhammad slaughtered Gandalf? And why did you yourself argue that there was a point in justifying it at the same time as denying it?
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Reply #29 - Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 11:26am

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2018 at 10:54am:

And why did you yourself argue that there was a point in justifying it at the same time as denying it?

That was my bad. I thought I could make a rational academic point about a hypothetical without forevermore being labelled the all-time worst racist.

Boy was I wrong.

The fact that you continue to shriek emotive hyperbole like "slaughter" (and other times "genocide") for the wholly unremarkable alleged execution of some soldiers who had conspired with the victors enemies to bring down an entire society - shows how sensible this debate will ever get.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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