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Reply #15 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:40pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 10:39pm:

I said we have a better idea since 1979 thanks to satellites

Do you agree the the data was good in 1901? And I pointed out the satellites show variance from the 1960's. I'm not sure why you hold to outdated views. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 10:39pm:

The world has cooled a little bit since 2016 but not very much. This is unusual.

yeah. 0.56C. Only a little. But 0.56C warmer is catastrophic. Wink

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #16 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:44pm We have much more complete and up to date info now, agree?
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Reply #17 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:44pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 8:07am:

I've read the thing many times and I and apparently Lee don't really have any idea what it is saying maybe you could help ?

perhaps you didn't understand the following bit?

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 8:07am:

we conclude that historical methods of regional projection are better suited given that they are directly calibrated on the real world (historical) climate.

and then of course the bit you left out -

"given that the discrepancies of the global climate models directly bias their projections. "

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #18 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:46pm Lees and models. Did you have a crush on a model but she turned you down, Lees? The models are good but cannot predict volcanoes or changes to the sun, like the decrease in TSI in the 1980s.
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Reply #19 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:49pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 8:58am:

Ah, Booby and another one of his escape clauses:

Quote:
if it's hot it proves global warming &
if it's cold it proves global warming

Climate scientists do not mention purely local events as evidence of AGW.

"Ice Loss and the Polar Vortex: How a Warming Arctic Fuels Cold Snaps"

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27092017/polar-vortex-cold-snap-arctic-ice-lo...

"Early Warning Signs of Global Warming: Heat Waves"

https://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/early-warning-...

Cold over America caused by warming Arctic - local

Heat waves - local

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #20 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:50pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 12:46pm: Lees and models. Did you have a crush on a model but she turned you down, Lees? The models are good but cannot predict volcanoes or changes to the sun, like the decrease in TSI in the 1980s. The models are "good"? SLR model Temperature model Climate Re-analysis - model
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Reply #21 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:54pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 12:44pm:

We have much more complete and up to date info now, agree?

So from when should this much more complete and up to date info be utilised. If the models are so good they can only go back to that time when the info became "much more complete and up to date "

You can't just tack it onto the old data. Grin

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #22 - May 25^th, 2018 at 1:02pm So we have more complete and up to date info. Thank you.
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Reply #23 - May 25^th, 2018 at 2:11pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

So we have more complete and up to date info.

Thank you.

Does that include NOAA's 1997 at 62.45ºF? Grin

You didn't answer the question "lee wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 12:54pm:

from when should this much more complete and up to date info be utilised.

From dates are these "data" points more complete and up to date?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #24 - May 25^th, 2018 at 2:45pm So we have more complete and up to date data. You agree. Good!
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #25 - May 25^th, 2018 at 2:57pm Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 2:45pm: So we have more complete and up to date data. You agree. Good! Nope. You have once again made an assertion; without proof. You do that a lot. When it is others you accuse them of making stuff up. So time for you to put up.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #26 - May 25^th, 2018 at 3:16pm So we have more complete and up to date data. You agree. Good! No proof you scared little dimwit? With satellites we now have more complete and more up to date information and computers to crunch the data quickly.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #27 - May 25^th, 2018 at 3:17pm Let us not forget:
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Reply #28 - May 25^th, 2018 at 3:26pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

So we have more complete and up to date data. You agree. Good!

Nope. proof please

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

No proof you scared little dimwit?

that's what I said. Note the vitriol level has risen. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 3:16pm:

With satellites we now have more complete and more up to date information and computers to crunch the data quickly.

Nowhere do you say it is more accurate.

A faster computer only spits out the end result faster. It doesn't make any decisions as to accuracy or the parameters inserted. But hey it is a faster computer so it must be more accurate. Wink

Like sea level rise with GIA adjustments. Wink

So tell us how satellites measure temperature? The answer is they don't. They look at the brightness of a reflected signal.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43612 Gender:	Re: Relationship to Lies Reply #29 - May 25^th, 2018 at 6:38pm You agree with me that we have more complete and more up to date information. Good.
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