Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 4:58pm:


Is there any point?  You seem to have your mind made up and only go looking for material that supports your point of view.

The only reason I read his books was because of what little I knew about him when he started trying to cash in on the birther movement.  What I knew of him didn't leave a very nice taste in my mouth.

It only got worse after that.

To some he's a great role model, to others he's the epitome of the worst aspects of privileged loudmouth New Yorkers.

I see an insecure tiny man who wants ever so desperately to seen as and considered a great man and he didn't choose the high road to get there.

I used to think he was just a crass old money safety net arsehole but when you learn about how he would attack his critics or go after their families or their livelyhoods and the absolute bullshit he'd simply make up to attack them, he's a dispicible person.

If you're open to learning more I'm happy to play along, but this isn't the thread.

But like Light, you seem more than happy with how you see things and I don't get any indication that you'd want to change.

BTW, do you still live in Aus or are you a US resident if you don't mind me asking?

I'm clearly an aussie in QLD so I don't have a say in voting in the US and I'm not directly impacted by their choice of President, other than his impacts to the global scene.  That does change my point of view slightly.

Richdude wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 2:55am:



are you allowed to0 disagree with the Panther ???

Panther has said that all people naturally born in the USA are American citizens by default ?

Caesarean births have a bit of a question mark but the illegally borne seem to fit within the definition provided.

Panther wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:


My opinions are formed by the facts of the situation.  At this point with the fairytale world Trump Supporters seem to live in, I'm not surprised that it's somewhere on the left that lands closer to reality.

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There is no doubt he is great at getting support and winning people over.  It's just shame that hasn't translated into being a competent leader.

But he has yet to prove he can even keep his own house in order, let alone provide a powerful and stable leadership for the nation.

And the scariest thing, unlike Obama or even Bush, his supporters are unable to hold him to account when he makes a mistake.  They act like he is perfect and when ever he does screw things up, like with North Korea, they just lower the bar or change the goal posts.

That will only ever result in diminishing returns, something Trump is well known for.

What has happened this week should be a wake up call for his supporters.

Don't stop supporting him, but you owe it to yourselves to demand more from him.  If he claims he's better than Obama or Clinton then make him live up to that.  Don't just accept that he can attack them more than before.

He's actually got to prove his worth, not just be a winner by default, a winner because he claims he's better than the lies he tell of his opponents.

Slandering his opposition is all he's got.  You don't even need to read his books, learn his history, just watch his campaign video and compare that to his true record in office.

You want a better USA, you want Trump to Make America Great Again?

That won't happen, that can't happen if you keep making excuses for his failures, for all the times he choose the rich over the forgotten people, then praise him for doing a great job.

You don't reinforce negative behaviour in a two year old, or a puppy, why would you do it for the President!?

2/3rds of Americans. Thats about 215 Million people compared to 110 million. Wow