Abu used to tell us that Islam "owns" Israel and Spain and would soon win them back in an inevitable great victory.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 5:19pm:


freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2018 at 9:54pm:


From the Quran:

http://www.clearquran.com/009.html

28. O you who believe! The polytheists are polluted, so let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year of theirs. And if you fear poverty, God will enrich you from His grace, if He wills. God is Aware and Wise.

http://www.clearquran.com/003.html

96. The first house established for mankind is the one at Bekka; blessed, and guidance for all people.

97. In it are evident signs; the Station of Abraham. Whoever enters it attains security. Pilgrimage to the House is a duty to God for all who can make the journey. But as for those who refuse—God is Independent of the worlds.

http://www.clearquran.com/002.html

191. And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they had expelled you. Oppression is more serious than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them. Such is the retribution of the disbelievers.

217. They ask you about fighting during the Holy Month. Say, “Fighting during it is deplorable; but to bar others from God’s path, and to disbelieve in Him, and to prevent access to the Holy Mosque, and to expel its people from it, are more deplorable with God. And persecution is more serious than killing. They will not cease to fight you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can. Whoever among you turns back from his religion, and dies a disbeliever—those are they whose works will come to nothing, in this life, and in the Hereafter. Those are the inmates of the Fire, abiding in it forever.

Hadith:

https://sunnah.com/search/expel-arabian-peninsula

’Umar (RAA) narrated, ‘I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say, “I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula so as to leave only Muslims in it.” Reported by Muslim.

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula."

Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for information about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,' and he therefore expelled the jews from Khaybar."

Malik said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab expelled the jews from Najran (a jewish settlement in the Yemen) and Fadak (a jewish settlement thirty miles from Madina). When the jews of Khaybar left, they did not take any fruit or land. The jews of Fadak took half the fruit and half the land, because the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had made a settlement with them for that. So Umar entrusted to them the value in gold, silver, camels, ropes and saddle bags of half the fruit and half the land, and handed the value over to them and expelled them."

The Prophet (ﷺ) on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them." I forgot the third (order)"

Mattyfisk wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 9:40pm:

It's all the Muslims. no need for maps.  It's the tribal, 'keep it in da family' instinct. All non-Muslims are the primitives - you know, what Islam was supposed to lift them out of but actually kept them in. Islam as a break on liberation. We all see THAT.
Islam as the institutionalised, established way to oppress, repress, disable human emancipation, self-realisation, creativity and yes, freedom.
Islam, Submission to unbearable primitive demands that no sane person would ever submit to.


Islam is nothing short of violation, institutionalised violation of the human spirit. It is a violence perpetrated on the human soul.

Every aspect of it is detrimental to humanity.


If anyone disagrees they are invited to show the positive effects of Islam on the world.

I cannot think of any but if you can, let us hear it.i

Gandalf assertion that Islam is only a state of mind, was in response to my question to my question whether he wishes Australia to become part of Islam. It put him in an awkward corner, and it took him a week to come up with this excuse for an answer.

A day later, he added the claim that because Islam is a frame of mind, and he is in that frame of mind, Australia is already part of Islam. If that is the case, the Mecca in Saudi Arabia is actually part of the West, because there is someone there in that frame of mind.

There is conflict in his assertion. Either Saudi Arabia is part of Islam, or its not. Either Australia is part of Islam, or its not.

Gandalf did not want to answer my question because it undermined his pose as an objective person, and shows he doesn't really give a damn for Australia. He only thinks of Mohamed , the Koran and Allah. That's his "frame of mind."

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 2:42pm:


The point is your assertion is bullsh1t, and just a way to avoid answering the question.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 2:42pm:



Islam is nothing short of violation, institutionalised violation of the human spirit. It is a violence perpetrated on the human soul.  Every aspect of it is detrimental to humanity.

If you disagree then you are invited to show the positive effects of Islam on the world.  I cannot think of any but if you can, let us hear it.

And please don't tell us about the golden age which was suppressed and ended by Muslims themselves in the name of Islam. We have heard that sorry excuse for today's Islam too many times already.

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 9:22pm:


The entire second half?

Thats a lot of verses FD - a bit more than the one chapter you have read.

issuevoter wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 10:44am:


It is most definitely not the only religion that insists one will gain esoteric knowledge and thus become more aware of the reality. Christianity puts forth this notion. The reality of life after death, the reality of dying into Gods love.

I agree they are becoming throwbacks in this increasingly secular world, that is beginning to negate most principles of religion

Gandalf would you say that the Islamic state that Muhammad created was the very antithesis of Islam?