longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 8:05am:

Ive never seen a news report that says a BEV wont have cost pairity, it just how many years away, some say2-3 some say 20, so BEV will be same price even cheeper than ice's and the biggist thing is no more oil from the middle east.
Hydrogen will never be cheeper, well unless there are a lot of new technologies discovered.
Bev's need scale, Fcev's need engineering.

I never really looked into Fool cell cars until now, wow its so inefficient its amazing.
One 2 million dollar 'gas Station' can fill 36 toyota miras a day...
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1099548_gas-electricity-hydrogen-how-many-c...
According to the California Air Resources Board, those stations will have a maximum fueling capacity of 180 kilograms of hydrogen per day.
That's enough to fill 36 Toyota Mirai vehicles completely each day; the Mirai has a stated fuel capacity of 5 kg.
In other words, while the refueling process itself will likely take less than 10 minutes--or a total of six hours for those 36 Mirais--the other 18 hours is required for the necessary hydrogen to be generated and compressed.

A modern gas station and convenience store, with 12 pumps in three or four single or double ranks, can serve as many as 12 vehicles simultaneously and costs roughly $2 million to construct.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said a few years ago that Supercharger sites cost $150,000 to build when connected to grid power, and $300,000 when photovoltaic solar panels were included to provide renewable electricity.
That works out to a theoretical maximum of 16,200 kilowatt-hours over a 24-hour day
If every car was an 85-kWh Model S taking up 60 kWh, that would be about 70 actual cars--but it's probably more than 100, assuming some partial charging.

The biggist thing to remember with BEV's is that almost all recharging is done at home, at night. The owners only need to use public chargers for long trips.
Not even mentioned it takes 5 times the electricity to make Hydrogen then ready it for a car than it does for a battery only electric car.
Shell and BP are now putting electric chargers in their gas stations, power already there and cheep to put one in, it will be a long time until they put in a Hydrogen pump that will cost 2 million dollars to fill 30 cars for the day.

BigOl64 wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 8:44am:

Australia makes 5% of our oil, that will more than make all the plastics and other bits and pieces if we stop using oil for a fuel source.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 9:05am:


try ships and planes running on battery. See how that works out.

try heavy equipment running on batteries and see how they work out. Also, try electrifying the entire national train network and see how that works out.

Plus... where is your extra electricity generation capacity to charge all these EVs at night after the sun has gone down and solar does you no good?

You are a zealot with all the pragmatic plans of a zealot ie none at all.

longweekend58 wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 9:42am:

wow insults to make a point... your so good at this Long 
yes I can see where hydrogen can be involved in all of that 

BigOl64 wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 9:17am:

well if will be a lot easier to breath. Tesla brings 5 Billion Dollars of Revinue into California a year. Pitty they r not in QLD.
and your thoughts on Hydrogen Big 

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 9:36am:



It will be a vastly superior system to batteries by far.