Yadda wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 6:08pm:
None of those links back up your claims that there are frequent "shoot outs" . Get a grip. Gun crime is exceedingly rare in itself in this country let alone "shoot outs". You need to stop hiding behind your curtains and take a look outside, its nowhere near as scary out there as you think.

rhino wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 1:41am:


exactly. you can find a handful of gun incidents in this country while in USA there are 35000 per year.

Panther wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 9:35pm:


Everyone is entitled to their personal opinions, you are no different.

I respect your right to an opinion, I always will, but on this occasion I flatly reject & condemn this opinion of yours.

The NRA oppose every single common sense reform in the gun ownership space since their change in stance and their push to change the legal definition of the 2nd ammendment.

They used to be the lobby that would protect the rights of the those who require the use of firearms in rural and regional settings, the hunters and the sports people while at the same time advocating for stricter controls to protect the people in the community.

They are a shadow of their former selves.

They now oppose everything that isn't arming more people.

The outcomes of their actions have meant children are still being gunned down in schools.

I think what everyone wants, other than the NRA, is a situation where firstly people don't see the solution to what ever their problem is being them picking up a gun and going on a massacre, and secondly, since people are complicated, limit the ability for a potential shooter to go on the rampage in the first place.

Getting more guns in place to stop someone already shooting people has already failed, they've been shooting people.  It is a bandaid solution at best and doesn't stop the issue at hand.

It really isn't complicated.  If people can't be trusted to do the right thing with guns, then changes need to be made to take away their access to guns.

It's always those people that ruin it for the rest of us. 

We can't have fireworks in Australia because they couldn't be safely kept out of the hands of children, children who would blow their hands off, so we all miss out.

In any other common sense situation the same thing would happen.  This is part of living in a community setting.

The problem is people using guns.  We can't get rid of people, so we need to look at how to limit the damage they can do with guns. 

If you don't like it, don't live in a civilised nation.

I know I know, you'll talk about the gun grabbing left, and others will want to blame women for emasculating men, but the common sense solution just happens to be one that the left have adopted.

If the left were pushing for more guns, and Trump for less, you know where your loyalties would stay.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 9:50am:


 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 10:50am:

   

There's no easy solution, but if you look for the situation with the bias of "bugger you don't take my guns" of course the idea of more guns sounds like the answer.

The problem is that a real debate and an true assessment of the facts to determine the best outcome, and the best path to reach it, is impossible when one side talk about the "gun grabbing left" or we start talking about masculinity issues because of the "Matriarchy" this can't happen.

Without that approach it's just going to be partisan arguing.

There no guarantee that it won't still devolve into that, but if both sides are serious about reducing the deaths of innocent children, they should at least be willing to give it a try.

SadKangaroo wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 11:47am:


just get rid of assault weapons that are NOT protected by the 2nd amendment? That still leaves zillions of very powerful guns in the hands of the people.

So, panther and other loons, what is wrong with that idea?

** now comes the truly stupid counter arguments.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 9:43am:


I mean its only 225 years old, has not been adapted and is still being read in its original form