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Reply #15 - May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am
 
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.
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Reply #16 - May 14th, 2018 at 10:57am
 
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.



the separation of church and state is an issue but most muslims (and indeed most asian migrants) are interested in 2 things (above their religion), 

1 making money

2 their family being successful.


and making money and successful families are NOT the values of the radical left.

the migrants probably feel a debt to the lefties who got them into the country but they are ripe for the picking if the conservative side would appeal to their conservative values
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Reply #17 - May 14th, 2018 at 11:03am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.



the separation of church and state is an issue but most muslims (and indeed most asian migrants) are interested in 2 things (above their religion), 

1 making money

2 their family being successful.


and making money and successful families are NOT the values of the radical left.

the migrants probably feel a debt to the lefties who got them into the country but they are ripe for the picking if the conservative side would appeal to their conservative values


That debt was quickly forgotten for the recent SSM vote.

Th Muslims are holding their nose in their alliance with lefties but I don't think the Christian conservatives want them either.

If they do court the Muslim vote, the demands such as more mosques,  more madrassas will ne to high.

Muslims want fascism.
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Reply #18 - May 14th, 2018 at 11:21am
 
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 11:03am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.



the separation of church and state is an issue but most muslims (and indeed most asian migrants) are interested in 2 things (above their religion), 

1 making money

2 their family being successful.


and making money and successful families are NOT the values of the radical left.

the migrants probably feel a debt to the lefties who got them into the country but they are ripe for the picking if the conservative side would appeal to their conservative values


That debt was quickly forgotten for the recent SSM vote.

Th Muslims are holding their nose in their alliance with lefties but I don't think the Christian conservatives want them either.

If they do court the Muslim vote, the demands such as more mosques,  more madrassas will ne to high.

Muslims want fascism.


So does Herbie, dear.

Guess who he's going for after he's exterminated the Musels and their apologists.
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Reply #19 - May 14th, 2018 at 11:22am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Valkie wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 5:51am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
"The Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), a 50-million-member moderate Islamic organisation that promotes pluralism and tolerance, strongly condemned the attacks "whatever the motive and background".

"All kinds of violent actions, particularly those carried out in the name of religion by way of spreading terror, hatred and violence are not the character of Islam. There is no religion in the world that justify violent actions" the organisation said in a statement."

Hear, hear.... should be more of it here....



Muzzos lying to the infidels

Trust not one of them........ever



Agreed


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Reply #20 - May 14th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 9:52am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:48am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:09am:
issuevoter wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:36am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
"The Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), a 50-million-member moderate Islamic organisation that promotes pluralism and tolerance, strongly condemned the attacks "whatever the motive and background".

"All kinds of violent actions, particularly those carried out in the name of religion by way of spreading terror, hatred and violence are not the character of Islam. There is no religion in the world that justify violent actions" the organisation said in a statement."

Hear, hear.... should be more of it here....



That statement is a lie. The Koran instructs Muzlims to kill unbelievers. The problem is the religion. Muzlims cannot pretend their intention is peaceful and follow the Koran.



i'm having a major rethink on muslims.

my main concern with the west is the leftard intellectuals who are basicly marxist and want to create an aetheist utopia and destroy masculinity and the patriachy.

i think the leftards have made a huge mistake because the values of the moderate muslim line up very nicely with the values of the conservative voter.

we all like tradition
we like a strong masculinity
we look to the patriachy to protect the weak, (not as some oppressive hierachy).

i think its time for the right to woo the muslim vote.

the left brought them in but they have nothing in common with the left.
they are the natural ally of the right



You lost the plot with that statement.

They are not to be trusted ... they don't like us or our culture, govt & laws.



the strict muslim perhaps.

but there are a lot of muslims who see it more as a tradition and a guide then as a strict code.
i know you could call these people "fake" muslims, but there are plenty of catholics on the pill who still like the tradition and the guidance.

and i think a lot of muslims (especially say the women who do choose to wear the veil) are making a statement.
they are saying  "we reject your directionless, meaningless, nihilistic self indulgent , pleasuring yourself and we like a strong family, we like strong men who act like men and we dont want our kids being corrupted by leftie  intellectuals who reject our values.

i think there is a conversation to be had between the conservatives (say corey bernardi) and the average muslim who is very uneasy about the sodom and gemorah utopia of the intellectual elite (say the type of voter who likes adam bandt).

your average muslim man has a lot more in common with bernardi then with penny wong


Your average Muslim is irrelevant because the fundamentalists/radicals(strict as you called them) are the ones who dominate & have all the say, make the demands, are terminally offended & run all the scams like HALAL certification.
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Reply #21 - May 14th, 2018 at 12:43pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.



the separation of church and state is an issue but most muslims (and indeed most asian migrants) are interested in 2 things (above their religion), 

1 making money

2 their family being successful.


and making money and successful families are NOT the values of the radical left.

the migrants probably feel a debt to the lefties who got them into the country but they are ripe for the picking if the conservative side would appeal to their conservative values


What are you defining "asians"as? That's too general.

Most Sth & east asians aren't muslims.(leave out Indo)

If you're speaking re: the Indian sub-continent then 80% of India is Hindu.

You have to continue north & west to find all the Muslim majority countries.
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Reply #22 - May 14th, 2018 at 1:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:24am:
Setanta wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:31pm:
The penultimate Darwin award goes to....
I wonder who will win the ultimate..



not so fast.

whilst this example is one of an extreme sick interpretation of the koran, lets really have a look at Islam from a 'darwinian " perspective.

Islam is a belief system. You  NEED a belief system or else the chaos of the world overcomes you and you become shut down and directionless.

i think thats what i would say about aetheist europe...shut down and directionless.
lost,  only seeking to feel a bit of pleasure and a bit of comfort but no big long term ideas binding them.

and they have lost contact with their past.
their past is masculine and the patriachy and has a christian sub structure.

you throw all that out, you destroy that and now you are left mid air with no foundation.

the Islamic world , i believe, has seen this and said  "not for us".

we are keeping our belief system, because it grounds us to our history.
and humans are historical animals, historical to the core.

the muslims have more direction then the "lost" west.
they have strong family ties, strong beleifs in unity, they have a strong belief in masculinity and a strong belief in the family and in children.

from a darwinian perspective they will annihilate the west.

is that a good or a bad thing.

nature doesnt care.

the west (the aetheist west) is a darwinian  dead end.
it lost its belief in the masculine and the feminine . and its the masculine and the feminine that produces the darwinian selection in the first place.

so with all the mardi gras"s  and attacks on the patriachy, the tearing down of the west by its own people, the west lecturing children that humans are the cause of climate change and that to have a big family is an environmental sin  . you can be sure that the muslim world is laughing at the stupidity of the aetheist and feminist and leftist  west  Wink


Apologist traitor.. lots of truth in what you say - but it's not a Darwinian dead end just yet - war will see to that.... nothing like a sudden dose of reality to re-create Man as he is....

Nation is run by psychopaths bent on using any means to subjugate the rest - simple as that... time for the rest to throw off the riders and take back the horse and cart.
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Reply #23 - May 14th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:09am:
issuevoter wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:36am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
"The Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), a 50-million-member moderate Islamic organisation that promotes pluralism and tolerance, strongly condemned the attacks "whatever the motive and background".

"All kinds of violent actions, particularly those carried out in the name of religion by way of spreading terror, hatred and violence are not the character of Islam. There is no religion in the world that justify violent actions" the organisation said in a statement."

Hear, hear.... should be more of it here....



That statement is a lie. The Koran instructs Muzlims to kill unbelievers. The problem is the religion. Muzlims cannot pretend their intention is peaceful and follow the Koran.



i'm having a major rethink on muslims.

my main concern with the west is the leftard intellectuals who are basicly marxist and want to create an aetheist utopia and destroy masculinity and the patriachy.

i think the leftards have made a huge mistake because the values of the moderate muslim line up very nicely with the values of the conservative voter.

we all like tradition
we like a strong masculinity
we look to the patriachy to protect the weak, (not as some oppressive hierachy).

i think its time for the right to woo the muslim vote.

the left brought them in but they have nothing in common with the left.
they are the natural ally of the right



Never a truer word spoken - even those 'leftie' "feminists" are closet NAZIs - we all know that... any person or group who aspires to total control is a NAZI.
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Reply #24 - May 14th, 2018 at 1:21pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:09am:
issuevoter wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:36am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
"The Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), a 50-million-member moderate Islamic organisation that promotes pluralism and tolerance, strongly condemned the attacks "whatever the motive and background".

"All kinds of violent actions, particularly those carried out in the name of religion by way of spreading terror, hatred and violence are not the character of Islam. There is no religion in the world that justify violent actions" the organisation said in a statement."

Hear, hear.... should be more of it here....



That statement is a lie. The Koran instructs Muzlims to kill unbelievers. The problem is the religion. Muzlims cannot pretend their intention is peaceful and follow the Koran.



i'm having a major rethink on muslims.

my main concern with the west is the leftard intellectuals who are basicly marxist and want to create an aetheist utopia and destroy masculinity and the patriachy.

i think the leftards have made a huge mistake because the values of the moderate muslim line up very nicely with the values of the conservative voter.

we all like tradition
we like a strong masculinity
we look to the patriachy to protect the weak, (not as some oppressive hierachy).

i think its time for the right to woo the muslim vote.

the left brought them in but they have nothing in common with the left.
they are the natural ally of the right



Never a truer word spoken - even those 'leftie' "feminists" are closet NAZIs - we all know that... any person or group who aspires to total control is a NAZI.


there is some truth to that grapples.
the left have a very strong desire for "predatory power".
its one of the reasons "harmless' does not equal "virtuous".

the left have a desire for totalitarian rule that is probably felt more deeply then the right.
because they suppress it
and what you resist "persists".

the "mask of virtue" is how they protect themselves from confronting their "shadow".


but its just an ego defense mechanism.

"oh look, i'm a virtous person "so now i dont have to examine my true desires, lusts and evil nature.

Carl Jung talked a lot about this.
how people will use the mask of virtue as a shield for their will for predatory power.

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Reply #25 - May 14th, 2018 at 1:23pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.



the separation of church and state is an issue but most muslims (and indeed most asian migrants) are interested in 2 things (above their religion), 

1 making money

2 their family being successful.


and making money and successful families are NOT the values of the radical left.

the migrants probably feel a debt to the lefties who got them into the country but they are ripe for the picking if the conservative side would appeal to their conservative values


What are you defining "asians"as? That's too general.

Most Sth & east asians aren't muslims.(leave out Indo)

If you're speaking re: the Indian sub-continent then 80% of India is Hindu.

You have to continue north & west to find all the Muslim majority countries.



i was talking more about the asians as a group that the conservatives could assimilate (a different demographic to the muslims) .
for instance Hansen does not like asian immigration.
but asian immigrants (say the chinese) are very business minded and the family is to be respected above all else. these are conservative values surely. if hansen is a conservative she should embrace them as allies
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Reply #26 - May 14th, 2018 at 1:52pm
 
And yet the 'desperate' actions of Moslems to sacrifice some of their own for the greater mass/success...


...is no different and 'complimented' by such behaviours in movies of people fighting against TERMINATORS, all sorts of ALIENS & oppressive rulers in HUNGER GAMES, etc, etc.

Yep - 'white' people would strap a bomb to a 9 year old too, if they had to.


Australians just prefer to do
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Reply #27 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:15pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Gordon wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:39am:
Aqua,  I think it's a bit more complex.

Small m muslims and Christian conservatives would be in alignment on some moral issues but for the Cory Bernardi types,  the Muslim disdain for democracy would be a deal breaker.

If you went all the way to right wing fascism, they could be in lockstep with Muslims.

If that happened, the Penny Wong types would be frog marched to the nearest wall. Non violent conservative muslims would look the other way and Islamists would volunteer to be in the firing squad.



the separation of church and state is an issue but most muslims (and indeed most asian migrants) are interested in 2 things (above their religion), 

1 making money

2 their family being successful.


and making money and successful families are NOT the values of the radical left.

the migrants probably feel a debt to the lefties who got them into the country but they are ripe for the picking if the conservative side would appeal to their conservative values


What are you defining "asians"as? That's too general.

Most Sth & east asians aren't muslims.(leave out Indo)

If you're speaking re: the Indian sub-continent then 80% of India is Hindu.

You have to continue north & west to find all the Muslim majority countries.



i was talking more about the asians as a group that the conservatives could assimilate (a different demographic to the muslims) .
for instance Hansen does not like asian immigration.
but asian immigrants (say the chinese) are very business minded and the family is to be respected above all else. these are conservative values surely. if hansen is a conservative she should embrace them as allies


Chinese have been here nearly as long as europeans.

Those in business are nearly all conservative LNP voters.

You need to be more specific..... asian is too broad a term as I already pointed out to you.
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Reply #28 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:30pm
 
Quote:
the muslims have more direction then the "lost" west.


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Reply #29 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:40pm
 
Looks like we should round up 'ordinary muslim families '.  They're bloody dangerous.

The family that carried out three church bombings in Indonesia's second-biggest city on Sunday were just "ordinary" people, according to their neighbours

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-14/indonesia-church-attacks-joko-widodo-or...
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