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Reply #90 - May 13th, 2018 at 10:41pm
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Except with 94.5% actual employment and improving, that statement is just nonsense.
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Reply #91 - May 14th, 2018 at 12:04am
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Whah, them boys gits t' swim in dat river once't a week, and if'n they's good niggrahs an' works hard in dat hot sun, dey gits t' git at dem wenches once a month, for t' git on dem wenches a foal .... and if dey's 'specially good niggrahs - dey gits chicken an' water melon ever' Sunday!

Now ah ain't advocatin' dat dem wenches wit' foal should be a-shirking deir duties cause'a dat extra weight dere... yo'  hear... but mah buck niggrahs gits a wash an' some chicken an' some water melon an' some access to dem wenches an' fillies if'n dey GOOD niggrahs... cain' do better dan dat!
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Reply #92 - May 14th, 2018 at 12:10am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Except with 94.5% actual employment and improving, that statement is just nonsense.


**falls about laughing**

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/full-time-employment

"10,683,838 people living in Australia in 2016 were employed, of which 62% worked full-time and 36% part-time."

https://profile.id.com.au/australia/employment-status

Occupation of employment here is also telling...  so many clerks and jerks there are nowhere near enough actual productive workers.....
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Reply #93 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:04am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 12:45pm:
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And you fail to take into account that there are less & less full time jobs available ... dump trucks in mining are being automated to become driverless as they are also doing to the giant Iron Ore trains in the Pilbara.

It's a one way ticket to the bottom ... the lowest common denominator.


We have been going in the same direction for several centuries, with the same doom and gloom prognosis every step of the way from people who cannot see the wood for the trees. But at the end of the day we have far higher employment rates at far higher wages.


you are spot on. Ive been hearing this doom and gloom prognosis for decades now and Australia has one of the highest standards of living, one of the best economies and is arguably the most desirable place on earth to live. We even have fabulous weather!

Maybe some of you should be a bit more grateful that you live int he worlds best country.


And just maybe you & freediver could stop trying to gloss over the fact ..... that figures hide the true rate of unemployment in this country.

They also make out that jobs that are only a few hours a week are full time jobs/employment.

Why do we have such high youth unemployment?

Why have the LNP reduced funding for apprenticeship programs?

If everything is so rosey why do we have such high national debt?

Why in this latest budget have they cut millions/billions  from education, health & services?

Why are they(Libs) wanting to increase the pension eligibility age to 70 ... thus denying our youth the opportunity to find employment?

We could indeed still be the lucky country .... but because the rest of the world is in such a chaotic it doesn't mean we are not travelling down the same path.
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Reply #94 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:08am
 
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
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Nonsense - Chinese steel is one of the lowest qualities in the world.

It's rubbish.


Google 'grades of steel' Bobby.


And the lower grades of course are cheaper .... & guess where our corporations go when the outsource?...

to lower grades & costs to maximise profits & supply crap product.
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Reply #95 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:28am
 
Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 5:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:42pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?



BHP closed down most of their steel mills.
They couldn't compete with cheap Chinese steel.
Also - it's rumored that at least one bridge has fallen down because it used cheap Chinese inferior steel - go figure.

see here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-ste...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/Chinese-steel-fails-strengt...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-08/03/content_30341103.htm


Bobby, if BHP could not compete with locally made steel, why do you think we are competitive?


BHP cannot compete with cheap Chinese inferior steel.
They don't compete with locally made steel.



Can they compete on good quality steel?


Working in an industry that uses steel in our products all the time.

I can tell you now that there is a big difference between Chinese and Australian steel.

Australian steel is a better quality, welds and forms better and has less structural problems than Chinese steel.

But it is more expensive
So we tend to use Australian steel in structurally important areas and Chinese steel for non structural and fill in areas.

And it's getting harder and harder to get good quality Australian steel as more and more companies are now sourcing it over cheap Chinese steel.


My company & the Govt rail here have already had to spend substantial amount on removing faulty chinese made rails across the QLD rail networks.

NSW govt has already had one contract of new trains supplied by Downer built in China cost millions to get up to standard & operational in fact there was a $400 million bailout involved .... and what are they doing now ... going with Downer again who are going to have the new trains built in China.

QLD Rail is in strife with their new suburban trains supplied by Bombardier being built in India .... 76 6 car units of which after nearly 2 years only a hand full are operational because of design & safety flaws. ie. not being up to spec.

Those units for both NSW & QLD could have been built in Australia - delivered on time & operational.

The higher wage/labour component would not have amounted to anywhere near the costs incurred in having them repaired/refitted here.


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Reply #96 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:34am
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Rubbish .... they wouldn't be able to survive without the minimum wage safety net. Going down the dog eat dog road that the US has is ridiculous.

That only pushes people to stay on or chose to go on the dole.

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Reply #97 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Except with 94.5% actual employment and improving, that statement is just nonsense.


94.5% actual employment?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

94.5% of what?

Only 50% ... approx 12.5 million Australians out of 24,772,247 million are employed in some fashion so not all those are permanent jobs, many are casual & part time.

88% of those employed are in urban areas.

Casualisation is also being pushed large.

How is that good for the economy?

So where's your 94.5% employment come from?


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Reply #98 - May 14th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 12:10am:
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Except with 94.5% actual employment and improving, that statement is just nonsense.


**falls about laughing**

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/full-time-employment

"10,683,838 people living in Australia in 2016 were employed, of which 62% worked full-time and 36% part-time."

https://profile.id.com.au/australia/employment-status

Occupation of employment here is also telling...  so many clerks and jerks there are nowhere near enough actual productive workers.....



You do know that the employment rate is based on the number of people who can work and want to work, right and not on the entire population?
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Reply #99 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:23pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
Unfortunately, a lot of Australians cannot find a job or cannot find full time work because minimum wages, unions etc make them unemployable.

Other than that, yes, it's a level playing field. Just like having slaves, but you don't have to put up with the smell.


Except with 94.5% actual employment and improving, that statement is just nonsense.


6.5% is a lot of people.

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And just maybe you & freediver could stop trying to gloss over the fact ..... that figures hide the true rate of unemployment in this country.


How exactly is "a lot of Australians" hiding this?

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Those units for both NSW & QLD could have been built in Australia - delivered on time & operational.


Aussies are never late.

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Rubbish .... they wouldn't be able to survive without the minimum wage safety net. Going down the dog eat dog road that the US has is ridiculous.


Better they are unemployed eh?

Are you saying those on minimum wage are on the brink of starving to death?
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Reply #100 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:32pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 9:28am:
My company & the Govt rail here have already had to spend substantial amount on removing faulty chinese made rails across the QLD rail networks.

NSW govt has already had one contract of new trains supplied by Downer built in China cost millions to get up to standard & operational in fact there was a $400 million bailout involved .... and what are they doing now ... going with Downer again who are going to have the new trains built in China.

QLD Rail is in strife with their new suburban trains supplied by Bombardier being built in India .... 76 6 car units of which after nearly 2 years only a hand full are operational because of design & safety flaws. ie. not being up to spec.

Those units for both NSW & QLD could have been built in Australia - delivered on time & operational.

The higher wage/labour component would not have amounted to anywhere near the costs incurred in having them repaired/refitted here.




With bean counters running companies they will go for the cheaper Chinese steel.
Bad luck if it costs them more in the end &
bad luck for BHP steel mills & all their workers.
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Reply #101 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
Bobby, if you believe what you say, find a company that overpays for locally produced steel and invest in them. Put your money where your mouth is.
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Reply #102 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Bobby, if you believe what you say, find a company that overpays for locally produced steel and invest in them. Put your money where your mouth is.


Thanks for the advice.

Maybe I should invest in an Aussie company that makes building cladding too?

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/london-fire-melbourne-skyscraper-fire-caused...

The fire used imported cladding from China, that failed to meet Australian standards, to creep up the side of the structure. Similar cladding has been blamed for a series of skyscraper fires and fatalities.
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Reply #103 - May 14th, 2018 at 6:55pm
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Bobby, if you believe what you say, find a company that overpays for locally produced steel and invest in them. Put your money where your mouth is.


Why not go up the value added chain and tell us why germany doesn't close down it's premium car manufacturing plants and just sell each other cups of coffee like we do here ? Surely it would be a lot easier to sell cups of coffee and renovate each others kitchens than to potch around building complicated motor vehicles for the local and export markets ?
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Reply #104 - May 14th, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
I've already answered that one.

Did you know Germany has lower salaries?
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