Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 ... 12
Send Topic Print
"we need to value add" (Read 10781 times)
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #60 - May 13th, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:37pm:
So why aren't you making a fortune doing so Bobby?



To get into the nuclear reprocessing industry would require $billions
of investment & permission from the IAEA.
It's something that only a Govt. could get started on -
that's if we had a Govt. with any vision.
The return would be enormous as long as we could sell completed Uranium fuel rods.

If Thorium takes over soon then it would be a waste of money.
Then again we should be investing in Thorium research like China & India.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #61 - May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Bobby....name one natural raw product that we can value add to and be competitive in an international market.

We can't even competitively make cars here as we once did.



I already gave 3 examples in the OP:

Steel - not iron ore.
Uranium fuel rods - not Yellowcake.
Woolen clothing - not bales of wool.



Would you like to add to the list?


My request included the condition......and be competitive in an international market.



That's a tough one Aussie,
we weren't competitive in the auto industry so let's
not ever try anything ever again?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 29705
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #62 - May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 1:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 1:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 1:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:41am:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:36am:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 11:27am:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 10:05am:
Actually, our beef and associated industries are booming because the new Chinese middle class is upgrading from locusts to steak. Third world countries do not import meat.

That's also where most of our iron ore is going. We are literally shipping whole mountains off to China.


and we are paying more for the finished imported goods from them and the rest of the world which is why we are in a mountain of debt !!


A debt that will never be repaid.

National Govt.  debt now nearly $629 billion.


http://www.australiandebtclock.com.au/


Total private debt approaching 3 trillion or 3000 billion dollars. I doubt if making cups of coffee using imported coffee machines or mowing each others lawns is ever going to pay this off !!



And that is the point,

we need to add value to our exports.


You know we have a trade SURPLUS at present, dopey?



Don't call me dopey - Longloser.

We would need some very large & long surpluses to pay off  $629 billion.

PS - & that is only Govt. debt.


ONly govt debt is govt concern. And we had zero debt before Rudd and Gillard. And they left a mess that the Libs are only just now looking like getting under control.

And sorry... but you ARE dopey. If you dont want to be called dopey then either talk to your mother only or stop being dopey.


You really come right out of a comic book longprong Cheesy LOL
Back to top
 

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 29705
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #63 - May 13th, 2018 at 2:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Bobby....name one natural raw product that we can value add to and be competitive in an international market.

We can't even competitively make cars here as we once did.



I already gave 3 examples in the OP:

Steel - not iron ore.
Uranium fuel rods - not Yellowcake.
Woolen clothing - not bales of wool.



Would you like to add to the list?


My request included the condition......and be competitive in an international market.



That's a tough one Aussie,
we weren't competitive in the auto industry so let's
not ever try anything ever again?


We were never competitive in the auto industry because we kept doling out money to rent-a-job in detroit to make old rubbish instead of nurturing our own industries just like Germany does.
Back to top
 

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 47058
At my desk.
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #64 - May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Bobby....name one natural raw product that we can value add to and be competitive in an international market.

We can't even competitively make cars here as we once did.



I already gave 3 examples in the OP:

Steel - not iron ore.
Uranium fuel rods - not Yellowcake.
Woolen clothing - not bales of wool.



Would you like to add to the list?


My request included the condition......and be competitive in an international market.



That's a tough one Aussie,
we weren't competitive in the auto industry so let's
not ever try anything ever again?


How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?
Back to top
 

I identify as Mail because all I do is SendIT!
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #65 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:05pm
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?



BHP closed down most of their steel mills.
They couldn't compete with cheap Chinese steel.
Also - it's rumored that at least one bridge has fallen down because it used cheap Chinese inferior steel - go figure.

see here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-ste...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/Chinese-steel-fails-strengt...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-08/03/content_30341103.htm
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 79567
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #66 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:12pm
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Bobby....name one natural raw product that we can value add to and be competitive in an international market.

We can't even competitively make cars here as we once did.



I already gave 3 examples in the OP:

Steel - not iron ore.
Uranium fuel rods - not Yellowcake.
Woolen clothing - not bales of wool.



Would you like to add to the list?


My request included the condition......and be competitive in an international market.



That's a tough one Aussie,
we weren't competitive in the auto industry so let's
not ever try anything ever again?


How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?


They can't see the difference between value adding to their own nation and value adding to their wallets.  Not responsible corporate citizens...
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 37678
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #67 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?



BHP closed down most of their steel mills.
They couldn't compete with cheap Chinese steel.
Also - it's rumored that at least one bridge has fallen down because it used cheap Chinese inferior steel - go figure.

see here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-ste...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/Chinese-steel-fails-strengt...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-08/03/content_30341103.htm


The Chinese can make steel at whatever 'quality' level the buyer wants, Bobby.  There is no 'one size fits all.'
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 79567
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #68 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:13pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Bobby....name one natural raw product that we can value add to and be competitive in an international market.

We can't even competitively make cars here as we once did.



I already gave 3 examples in the OP:

Steel - not iron ore.
Uranium fuel rods - not Yellowcake.
Woolen clothing - not bales of wool.



Would you like to add to the list?


My request included the condition......and be competitive in an international market.



That's a tough one Aussie,
we weren't competitive in the auto industry so let's
not ever try anything ever again?


We were never competitive in the auto industry because we kept doling out money to rent-a-job in detroit to make old rubbish instead of nurturing our own industries just like Germany does.


Exackery - there was no actual Australian automotive industry.... just a branch office or two.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #69 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:20pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?



BHP closed down most of their steel mills.
They couldn't compete with cheap Chinese steel.
Also - it's rumored that at least one bridge has fallen down because it used cheap Chinese inferior steel - go figure.

see here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-ste...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/Chinese-steel-fails-strengt...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-08/03/content_30341103.htm


The Chinese can make steel at whatever 'quality' level the buyer wants, Bobby.  There is no 'one size fits all.'



Nonsense - Chinese steel is one of the lowest qualities in the world.

It's rubbish.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #70 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:13pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:49pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:06pm:
Bobby....name one natural raw product that we can value add to and be competitive in an international market.

We can't even competitively make cars here as we once did.



I already gave 3 examples in the OP:

Steel - not iron ore.
Uranium fuel rods - not Yellowcake.
Woolen clothing - not bales of wool.



Would you like to add to the list?


My request included the condition......and be competitive in an international market.



That's a tough one Aussie,
we weren't competitive in the auto industry so let's
not ever try anything ever again?


We were never competitive in the auto industry because we kept doling out money to rent-a-job in detroit to make old rubbish instead of nurturing our own industries just like Germany does.


Exackery - there was no actual Australian automotive industry.... just a branch office or two.



And the overseas office didn't allow Australia to make an electric car.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Aussie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 37678
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #71 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:22pm
 
Quote:
Nonsense - Chinese steel is one of the lowest qualities in the world.

It's rubbish.


Google 'grades of steel' Bobby.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #72 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:33pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
Quote:
Nonsense - Chinese steel is one of the lowest qualities in the world.

It's rubbish.


Google 'grades of steel' Bobby.



I did & so what?

Maybe I should go to the secret room & ask -
you know the one with only 3 members.  Cheesy
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 47058
At my desk.
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #73 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?



BHP closed down most of their steel mills.
They couldn't compete with cheap Chinese steel.
Also - it's rumored that at least one bridge has fallen down because it used cheap Chinese inferior steel - go figure.

see here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-ste...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/Chinese-steel-fails-strengt...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-08/03/content_30341103.htm


Bobby, if BHP could not compete with locally made steel, why do you think we are competitive?
Back to top
 

I identify as Mail because all I do is SendIT!
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 94156
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #74 - May 13th, 2018 at 3:42pm
 
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
freediver wrote on May 13th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
How is BHP going with its local steel processing plants?

Bobby, if we were so competitive, why do you think private companies aren't pouring in millions to do it?



BHP closed down most of their steel mills.
They couldn't compete with cheap Chinese steel.
Also - it's rumored that at least one bridge has fallen down because it used cheap Chinese inferior steel - go figure.

see here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/safety-warning-over-fabricated-chinese-ste...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/Chinese-steel-fails-strengt...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2017-08/03/content_30341103.htm


Bobby, if BHP could not compete with locally made steel, why do you think we are competitive?


BHP cannot compete with cheap Chinese inferior steel.
They don't compete with locally made steel.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 ... 12
Send Topic Print