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Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #150 - May 17th, 2018 at 7:28am
 
Valkie wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 5:52am:
What we need, is some equality.
Why do doctors need to charge so much when what they do is simple enough?
Why do drug companies charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for a mixture of chemicals?
Why do politicians, senior public servants get paid so much, when they are just doing a job......badly?
Why do bank managers and other highly paid men need millions of dollars a year to do a job?

We are paying g for all these excesses with high prices and ridiculously high taxes

One should not ask the worker to take a pay cut

One should ask/ demand that  these overpaid people get real and help drive down the cost of living?

Do banks and other industries need to make billions in profits every year?

It's all just greed

After all, didn't the pollies say they could live on $40.00 a day.
Then make them.

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Reply #151 - May 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm
 
Bobby wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 7:23am:
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
So you insist we "need" these industries, but you would not be willing to work in them at a salary that would make us competitive, presumably because you are getting paid more doing something more profitable.

Do you think other people "need" to take a pay cut to get these factories up and running?



I already explained that it costs more to live here.


Only for the things that you have to pay locals for.

Our land is cheap. Our water is cheap. The weather is good. And we pay the Chinese $10 a day to make our cars and TVs for us. But still you find a way to complain about it.
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Re: "we need to value add"
Reply #152 - May 17th, 2018 at 5:18pm
 
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Bobby wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 7:23am:
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
So you insist we "need" these industries, but you would not be willing to work in them at a salary that would make us competitive, presumably because you are getting paid more doing something more profitable.

Do you think other people "need" to take a pay cut to get these factories up and running?



I already explained that it costs more to live here.


Only for the things that you have to pay locals for.

Our land is cheap. Our water is cheap. The weather is good. And we pay the Chinese $10 a day to make our cars and TVs for us. But still you find a way to complain about it.



But we couldn't live on $10 a day here -
we can't compete with the Chinese on a so called " level playing field"
so we have to add value to our exports &
not just ship raw materials only.
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Reply #153 - May 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
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so we have to add value to our exports &
not just ship raw materials only.


11 pages in, and you are still repeating it, but unable to justify the claim.

Are you arguing that because we cannot compete directly with people earning $10 a day, we have to compete directly with people earning $10 a day?
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Reply #154 - May 17th, 2018 at 9:57pm
 
It isn't just adding "value" anymore, it is about "creativity" whether it is the Japanese and their exports of anime and manga and culture in general or the Americans with Apple or Uber or Tesla or Hollywood ... the Chinese can do automation just fine but they haven't nailed creativity ... yet ...
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Reply #155 - May 17th, 2018 at 10:11pm
 
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Quote:
so we have to add value to our exports &
not just ship raw materials only.


11 pages in, and you are still repeating it, but unable to justify the claim.

Are you arguing that because we cannot compete directly with people earning $10 a day, we have to compete directly with people earning $10 a day?



FD,
I'd like to see the Govts. step in to put a stop to the Chinese
exporting crap quality steel & building cladding etc
all around the world to greedy bean counter companies
who are willing to risk the lives of people
with shoddy, dangerous products.
Take the Grenfell tower fire as one example.


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Reply #156 - May 17th, 2018 at 10:22pm
 
They will stop exporting it as soon as people stop buying it.
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Reply #157 - May 17th, 2018 at 11:01pm
 
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Quote:
so we have to add value to our exports &
not just ship raw materials only.


11 pages in, and you are still repeating it, but unable to justify the claim.

Are you arguing that because we cannot compete directly with people earning $10 a day, we have to compete directly with people earning $10 a day?


Try and pay off your foreign debt by selling each other cups of coffee and when you have successfully done this then you can teach the chinese how to do it so they no longer have to manufacture anything Wink
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Reply #158 - May 17th, 2018 at 11:02pm
 
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 10:22pm:
They will stop exporting it as soon as people stop buying it.


Do they export asbestos to us ??

How come ?
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Reply #159 - May 18th, 2018 at 12:48am
 
Bobby wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 5:18pm:
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Bobby wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 7:23am:
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
So you insist we "need" these industries, but you would not be willing to work in them at a salary that would make us competitive, presumably because you are getting paid more doing something more profitable.

Do you think other people "need" to take a pay cut to get these factories up and running?



I already explained that it costs more to live here.


Only for the things that you have to pay locals for.

Our land is cheap. Our water is cheap. The weather is good. And we pay the Chinese $10 a day to make our cars and TVs for us. But still you find a way to complain about it.



But we couldn't live on $10 a day here -
we can't compete with the Chinese on a so called " level playing field"
so we have to add value to our exports &
not just ship raw materials only.
We dont need to compete with the Chinese. They cant make their stuff without our resources. They pretty much rely on us for food too.
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Reply #160 - May 18th, 2018 at 7:32am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 11:02pm:
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 10:22pm:
They will stop exporting it as soon as people stop buying it.


Do they export asbestos to us ??

How come ?


Would you like to make a point Nail?
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Reply #161 - May 18th, 2018 at 8:13am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 11:02pm:
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2018 at 10:22pm:
They will stop exporting it as soon as people stop buying it.


Do they export asbestos to us ??

How come ?


New Chinese built diesel locomotives into New Zealand for Kiwi Rail and new chinese built electric locomotives into QLD for Pacific National all had asbestos in them that required removal & refit before they could go into service.

Specifications said no asbestos .... yet it was in there.
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Reply #162 - May 18th, 2018 at 8:28am
 
Rhino wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 12:59pm:
Gnads wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:13am:
Rhino wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
I dont see why we have some urgent need to export manufactured goods like cars and cheap TVs. We have an almost inexhaustible supply of land, the technology to farm the land for clean food and an enormous export market desperate for our product. witness the demand for Australian made baby formula in China. We need to ditch the mindset that we are somehow need to compete with the Chinese in manufacturing cheap electronics and textiles, that way will lead to 3rd world.


That's the dumbest statement you've made. Grin Roll Eyes
Your focus on semantics doesnt help your knowledge base.


Our suitable agricultural land is finite not inexhaustible.

35% of the Australian continent receives so little rain it is effectively desert.

Intensive agriculture is limited to certain parts of the country i.e. sth west corner of WA and coastal to mid inland Vic, NSW & QLD.

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Reply #163 - May 18th, 2018 at 8:34am
 
freediver wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
So you insist we "need" these industries, but you would not be willing to work in them at a salary that would make us competitive, presumably because you are getting paid more doing something more profitable.

Do you think other people "need" to take a pay cut to get these factories up and running?


People would take a pay cut if the cost of living reduced accordingly.

And many sectors have had wage freezes, some for years yet the cost of living continued to rise.

As it still does.

Application for wage rises are only ever an attempt at catchup .... it's not labour/wages driving up the cost of living.

You can't expect one without the other.
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Reply #164 - May 18th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
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People would take a pay cut if the cost of living reduced accordingly.


You are having trouble giving a straight answer. Those Chinese still have to pay the same price as us for TV's, cars, fridges, any food that is an international commodity etc. And most people live in far more crowded countries, so even a tiny block out in the countryside costs a fortune.

We get paid well because we do the high value work, not the work that some pretend economist insists we "need" to do to undercut Chinese factory labourers.

So, who is actually going to do the hard, low paid work to compete against the Chinese and Indians in these "value adding" industries you think we need so desperately?

You?

Or does common sense kick in when it is your own paycheck on the line?
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