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Reply #120 - May 14th, 2018 at 10:06pm
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:32pm:
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Intelligent educated people buy products from each other. We are richer, not poorer, because of all the educated people in overseas countries.


yes they get wealthy and we get poorer buying their finished goods from them usually with credit we get from their banks ! But you mistakenly think that mowing lawns and making cups of coffee makes up for it. If it did the chinese would be doing that instead of investing trillions into plant and equipment !

Maybe this video will change your mind !




So for the last several centuries we have been getting richer through international trade, but that is suddenly going to reverse because the Chinese get in on the action?


The greedy US corporations couldn't wait to close down, sack all of the local workers and move all oif their operations over to china and now china is ripping them off as well !! Bad move and the US knows it now. Just look at what is left of their middle class. It has been totally stripped and gutted which is a fate that awaits us when the credit dries up.
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Reply #121 - May 14th, 2018 at 10:08pm
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Oh wow. A youtube video from someone who agrees with you and sprouts the same uninformed nonsense that they cannot back up either.

Case closed.


So are all of these dead malls in the US just another Stanley Kubrick mock up designed to fool us ?


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Reply #122 - May 14th, 2018 at 11:57pm
 
isnt agriculture our number one export?
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Reply #123 - May 15th, 2018 at 12:46am
 
We need to add real value to the nation................
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Reply #124 - May 15th, 2018 at 12:47am
 
Rhino wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
isnt agriculture our number one export?


Yeah - Third World economies are always like that.... all you need to do now is properly organise an over-cashed-up elite and a desperate peasant class.

Easy as pie.... just look around you.   Cool
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Reply #125 - May 15th, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 12:47am:
Rhino wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
isnt agriculture our number one export?


Yeah - Third World economies are always like that.... all you need to do now is properly organise an over-cashed-up elite and a desperate peasant class.

Easy as pie.... just look around you.   Cool


Isn't Australia already setup like that ?
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Reply #126 - May 15th, 2018 at 6:25pm
 
Bobby wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Oh wow. A youtube video from someone who agrees with you and sprouts the same uninformed nonsense that they cannot back up either.

Case closed.



The video maker stated many facts - shopping malls closing down etc.
I believe his ideas are plausible.


Any ideas in particular? Did you specifically choose a video rather than a written article because it saved you the bother of critical thinking?
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Reply #127 - May 15th, 2018 at 6:51pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 12:47am:
Rhino wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
isnt agriculture our number one export?


Yeah - Third World economies are always like that.... all you need to do now is properly organise an over-cashed-up elite and a desperate peasant class.

Easy as pie.... just look around you.   Cool
we are number 4 standard of living in the world. Not bad for 3rd world. And back when all we had was life off the sheeps back in the 1900s we were number 1 in the world.
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Reply #128 - May 15th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
I dont see why we have some urgent need to export manufactured goods like cars and cheap TVs. We have an almost inexhaustible supply of land, the technology to farm the land for clean food and an enormous export market desperate for our product. witness the demand for Australian made baby formula in China. We need to ditch the mindset that we are somehow need to compete with the Chinese in manufacturing cheap electronics and textiles, that way will lead to 3rd world.
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Reply #129 - May 15th, 2018 at 11:04pm
 
Rhino wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
I dont see why we have some urgent need to export manufactured goods like cars and cheap TVs. We have an almost inexhaustible supply of land, the technology to farm the land for clean food and an enormous export market desperate for our product. witness the demand for Australian made baby formula in China. We need to ditch the mindset that we are somehow need to compete with the Chinese in manufacturing cheap electronics and textiles, that way will lead to 3rd world.


Then why are we importing truck loads of food produce ? Just check your woolies and coles isles and see where it comes from lately ?
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Reply #130 - May 15th, 2018 at 11:10pm
 
freediver wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Bobby wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
Oh wow. A youtube video from someone who agrees with you and sprouts the same uninformed nonsense that they cannot back up either.

Case closed.



The video maker stated many facts - shopping malls closing down etc.
I believe his ideas are plausible.


Any ideas in particular? Did you specifically choose a video rather than a written article because it saved you the bother of critical thinking?


I don't know what more you'll find in a bunch of words on a website compared to someone actually turning up at a mall and comprehensively filming it in covert fashion to show how many of the shops and businesses have been closed down. And this is not just one isolated case either. This pattern is repeated across the whole of the US !! Many of these videos also compare footage of when the malls were first opened and how busy they were !!
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Reply #131 - May 15th, 2018 at 11:14pm
 
No one said the market was one way. I dont see any Chinese made baby formula on our shelves, do you? Overseas demand for Australian agriculture exports is enormous and growing, we are seen as a clean food producer. I saw Australian bananas and apples on the shelves in Jakarta last time I was there, not local. Big prices too. Australian meat, sold by the 100 grams, not local. Aussie wine is all over Asia. They cant get enough of it.
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Reply #132 - May 15th, 2018 at 11:49pm
 
Rhino wrote on May 15th, 2018 at 11:14pm:
No one said the market was one way. I dont see any Chinese made baby formula on our shelves, do you? Overseas demand for Australian agriculture exports is enormous and growing, we are seen as a clean food producer. I saw Australian bananas and apples on the shelves in Jakarta last time I was there, not local. Big prices too. Australian meat, sold by the 100 grams, not local. Aussie wine is all over Asia. They cant get enough of it.


And the debt obligation keeps increasing as we borrow more to buy more imported manufactured goods. The whole economy is being underwritten by cheap credit. We'll need a lot of baby formula to get ourselves out of this hole we have dug for ourselves  Sad
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Reply #133 - May 16th, 2018 at 1:04am
 
maybe we need to get out of the habit of upgrading our cheap Chinese TVs every year. I agree that cheap credit is a trap but stating the whole economy is underwritten by it is nothing more than hyperbole. And when you talk about Australia being in a debt "hole" you overlook this Hawke/Keating legacy
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With current total assets of $2 trillion, the pool of the Australian superannuation system is projected to double to $4 trillion in the next 10 years and reach $9.5 trillion by 2035. Deloitte Superannuation Leader, Russell Mason, said in real terms this means that the contribution of superannuation assets will almost double from 120% of current annual Gross Domestic Product (AUD$1.6 trillion - the 12th largest GDP in the world) to more than 200% of GDP in the next 20 years.

https://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages/media-releases/articles/dynamics-of-9-5-tr
illion-australian-super-system-171115.html
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Reply #134 - May 16th, 2018 at 4:09am
 
freediver wrote on May 14th, 2018 at 8:16pm:
Would you prefer they paid the UK or NZ for their degrees?

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If you are just going to make the same old sh.,t as everyone else then it is just a race to the bottom.


Agreed. That's where we get a lot our export income from, once you take out primary products. We even export a lot of parts to the auto industry.


They're charging our own citizen youth $100,00 for a degree .... then they can't get work.  Roll Eyes
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