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Reply #30 - May 11th, 2018 at 6:39pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 5:50pm:
red baron wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:44pm:
John Howard's Gun Laws are the triumph of good sense and whether you like him or not he is a genuine bona fide Australian HERO for bringing those Gun Laws in

He has saved literally who knows how many lives by preventing us from going 'all the way with the U.S.A.'

When Howard was fighting to get those Gun Laws in, he faced enormous opposition from our own Gun Lobby and self interested Parties. But he fought on and with massive support from the Public  at large made his Gun Laws iron clad


Sorry Baron but that's just BS.


How many people died fo howards political posturing to remove guns from a country that had no gun problem.

There is also some question in who really did the shooting
Two people were reported to re doing the shooting
Every shot a kill shot, which is much harder than it sounds
And yet when he supposedly shot at the police, he missed every time.

Then there was the special coroner's van which just happened to be in Tazzy at the time
The false police call on the other side of the island and the gun conference being held in Tazzy at the time.

Too many quinky  dinks just to pass a gun law that he wanted because he planned to introduce very unpopular policies that he thought might bring the people to REVOLUTION.

The turd is a COWARD, not with the air it breathes.
When he dies, the world will be so much better with his passing.
May he rot in hell for eternity
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Reply #31 - May 11th, 2018 at 8:35pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
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With armed robbery retail stores are about 25% of the victims should we disregard the other 75% of armed robberies?


Of course not. Please make up some more stats for us.



Try clicking on the AIC link i provided for the stats, 18% of all armed robberies are done with firearms with 28% being retail premises.


I'll wait till you make a point first.
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Reply #32 - May 11th, 2018 at 8:37pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 5:50pm:
red baron wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:44pm:
John Howard's Gun Laws are the triumph of good sense and whether you like him or not he is a genuine bona fide Australian HERO for bringing those Gun Laws in

He has saved literally who knows how many lives by preventing us from going 'all the way with the U.S.A.'

When Howard was fighting to get those Gun Laws in, he faced enormous opposition from our own Gun Lobby and self interested Parties. But he fought on and with massive support from the Public  at large made his Gun Laws iron clad


Sorry Baron but that's just BS.


How many people died fo howards political posturing to remove guns from a country that had no gun problem.

There is also some question in who really did the shooting
Two people were reported to re doing the shooting
Every shot a kill shot, which is much harder than it sounds
And yet when he supposedly shot at the police, he missed every time.

Then there was the special coroner's van which just happened to be in Tazzy at the time
The false police call on the other side of the island and the gun conference being held in Tazzy at the time.

Too many quinky  dinks just to pass a gun law that he wanted because he planned to introduce very unpopular policies that he thought might bring the people to REVOLUTION.

The turd is a COWARD, not with the air it breathes.
When he dies, the world will be so much better with his passing.
May he rot in hell for eternity



Hear hear.
Left handed bryant shot from his right hip.
Key whitnesses ignored if their story didn't mimic the msm.
Name released illegally.
Held in solitary for months illegally.

One only has to listen to the recording of Bryant with the negotiator and hear the guns shots in the background. Shots fired at the police. How could Bryant fire a weapon in another room away from the phone and still be talking on the phone with the negotiator only to have thrown the gun out the window onto the shed roof after a misfired round that damaged the breach?


This was a defence lawyers dream case. Another Erine Brockovich moment.
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Reply #33 - May 11th, 2018 at 8:50pm
 
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad


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Reply #34 - May 11th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
John Howard didn't take any guns 'off the streets' - he stole them from legally licenced and generally law-abiding citizens under false pretences, and the States piled in and made a mockery of 'domestic violence laws' by distorting law to such an extent that anyone was guilty by accusation, and any licenced firearms they had could be removed by regulation - NOT by law!

The direct and real result was more illegal firearms on the streets, and all in the hands of criminals, often with no concept of civilised behaviour or code of honour as the old-time crims used to have, such as you don't rob or violate ordinary folk - you only rob the robbers and thieves such as the banks and insurance companies that cover them - hello Royal Commission.

It was an act of violence and even of civil war against the ordinary people of this nation, with the clear intention of removing from them any means of self-defence, and particularly against any oppressive or despotic moves by government.  The results are available daily to the casual observer in the utter dominance of the common people by their  'government' and their government's mates who want to run the show for their own best profit.

Pure despotism writ large.

Not only that but this false application of the rule of law started the current war between men and women, which is causing more and more casualties on a daily basis on ALL sides - not least among the children who are becoming so borderline in their social attitudes that those hardly exist any more, and are increasingly replaced with television behaviour.  Many children these days are clearly suffering from borderline personality disorder, since they have no solid grounding in basic civilities and codes of behaviour.
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Reply #35 - May 11th, 2018 at 9:43pm
 
So who was the offender was it the daughter,grandmother or grandfather?

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Police are treating the incident as a murder-suicide and have confirmed they are not looking for any suspects.

A friend of the family has confirmed to the ABC that Katrina Miles and her four children were among the seven victims.

The friend confirmed that Katrina's parents, whose names are listed on the property title as Peter and Cynda Miles, were also killed in the incident.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-11/seven-people-found-dead-in-margaret-river-...
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Reply #36 - May 11th, 2018 at 11:03pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:44pm:
To get an idea of how well gun control works, compare media reports of convenience store holdups in Australia vs the US. I don;t recall anyone ever dying in one in Australia, mainly because there are rarely guns involved. Same crime, but less risk of death. In fact, they often don't even get away with the crime here because they are chased off.


With armed robbery retail stores are about 25% of the victims should we disregard the other 75% of armed robberies?

Angelo Cusamano died after being shot with a pistol stolen from a security guard he owned a shop called the gamesman I was a customer of his.

About 18% of our armed robberies involve a firearm, bats clubs syringes bottles and glasses combined account for about 10% of all armed robberies.
https://aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2014/recorded-crime


If you pull a gun on someone and rob them it's armed robbery even if you don't pull the trigger therefore defensive gun use must include those times where a criminal surrenders without a shot being fired, there are over 2.5 million cases of defensive gun use every year in the USA. If the USA were stupid enough to copy our gun laws they would have over 2.5 million more victims of crime every year.
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more typical gunlover nonsense by referring to ARMED robberies while forgetting that 95% of robberies are UNARMED.

idiot
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Reply #37 - May 11th, 2018 at 11:06pm
 
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
I don't think the blood had even dried yet and Rhino was trying to use it to make some political point. But he has run off now.


Good point. I blame Islam.
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Reply #38 - May 12th, 2018 at 12:23am
 
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 5:15pm:
I don't think the blood had even dried yet and Rhino was trying to use it to make some political point. But he has run off now.
Some of us have jobs.
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Reply #39 - May 12th, 2018 at 12:25am
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 11:03pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:44pm:
To get an idea of how well gun control works, compare media reports of convenience store holdups in Australia vs the US. I don;t recall anyone ever dying in one in Australia, mainly because there are rarely guns involved. Same crime, but less risk of death. In fact, they often don't even get away with the crime here because they are chased off.


With armed robbery retail stores are about 25% of the victims should we disregard the other 75% of armed robberies?

Angelo Cusamano died after being shot with a pistol stolen from a security guard he owned a shop called the gamesman I was a customer of his.

About 18% of our armed robberies involve a firearm, bats clubs syringes bottles and glasses combined account for about 10% of all armed robberies.
https://aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2014/recorded-crime


If you pull a gun on someone and rob them it's armed robbery even if you don't pull the trigger therefore defensive gun use must include those times where a criminal surrenders without a shot being fired, there are over 2.5 million cases of defensive gun use every year in the USA. If the USA were stupid enough to copy our gun laws they would have over 2.5 million more victims of crime every year.
Thread here- http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1524533839/5



more typical gunlover nonsense by referring to ARMED robberies while forgetting that 95% of robberies are UNARMED.

idiot


Gimme the money or I'll hit you with this jellyfish!

If the perp (learned that from my 100% pass police examination) is not armed - how is it an armed robbery?

You sure you're not confusing thefts with robberies?

http://crimetool.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/bocsar/
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Reply #40 - May 12th, 2018 at 12:26am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:08pm:
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad


It hasn't been established if this person legally owned the guns.

A woman in Cairns killed 8 with a knife if this person used a knife instead of a gun would people be blaming knives and calling for knife control or would they be talking about mental illness?

Can you name some mass killings done with a knife in Australia?
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Reply #41 - May 12th, 2018 at 12:29am
 
Rhino wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 12:26am:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:08pm:
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad


It hasn't been established if this person legally owned the guns.

A woman in Cairns killed 8 with a knife if this person used a knife instead of a gun would people be blaming knives and calling for knife control or would they be talking about mental illness?

Can you name some mass killings done with a knife in Australia?


He just did - some Coon sheila killed her entire family with a knife.....
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Reply #42 - May 12th, 2018 at 12:39am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 12:29am:
Rhino wrote on May 12th, 2018 at 12:26am:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:08pm:
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad


It hasn't been established if this person legally owned the guns.

A woman in Cairns killed 8 with a knife if this person used a knife instead of a gun would people be blaming knives and calling for knife control or would they be talking about mental illness?

Can you name some mass killings done with a knife in Australia?


He just did - some Coon sheila killed her entire family with a knife.....
My bad. Although links would be helpful.
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Reply #43 - May 12th, 2018 at 6:18am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
John Howard didn't take any guns 'off the streets' - he stole them from legally licenced and generally law-abiding citizens under false pretences, and the States piled in and made a mockery of 'domestic violence laws' by distorting law to such an extent that anyone was guilty by accusation, and any licenced firearms they had could be removed by regulation - NOT by law!

The direct and real result was more illegal firearms on the streets, and all in the hands of criminals, often with no concept of civilised behaviour or code of honour as the old-time crims used to have, such as you don't rob or violate ordinary folk - you only rob the robbers and thieves such as the banks and insurance companies that cover them - hello Royal Commission.

It was an act of violence and even of civil war against the ordinary people of this nation, with the clear intention of removing from them any means of self-defence, and particularly against any oppressive or despotic moves by government.  The results are available daily to the casual observer in the utter dominance of the common people by their  'government' and their government's mates who want to run the show for their own best profit.

Pure despotism writ large.

Not only that but this false application of the rule of law started the current war between men and women, which is causing more and more casualties on a daily basis on ALL sides - not least among the children who are becoming so borderline in their social attitudes that those hardly exist any more, and are increasingly replaced with television behaviour.  Many children these days are clearly suffering from borderline personality disorder, since they have no solid grounding in basic civilities and codes of behaviour.



People don't have the capacity to think logically anymore.

Did you pen this?
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Reply #44 - May 12th, 2018 at 7:35am
 
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 6:01pm:
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 5:50pm:
red baron wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:44pm:
John Howard's Gun Laws are the triumph of good sense and whether you like him or not he is a genuine bona fide Australian HERO for bringing those Gun Laws in

He has saved literally who knows how many lives by preventing us from going 'all the way with the U.S.A.'

When Howard was fighting to get those Gun Laws in, he faced enormous opposition from our own Gun Lobby and self interested Parties. But he fought on and with massive support from the Public  at large made his Gun Laws iron clad


Sorry Baron but that's just BS.



he did clean it up  for a while.... how many guns were taken off the  streets????... they would still be out there  if there hadnt been a buyback....


30.000 guns were handed in during the amnesty....as well..

come on these guns are never more....


there will always be loonies out there    and the more guns out there the more chance they will get their hands on one...

the fewer the harder it is...


They were all handed in by honest citizens ....

some of which managed to find their way back out into the community.

I wonder how ey?
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