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Reply #1 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:13pm
 
What is a lie?
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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:20pm
 
What disgusting journalism.

The comparisons to port Arthur are not necessary, let alone a table alongside looking like some macabre football ladder.

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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:23pm
 
What a misleading wankfest this thread is

Guns are not banned in Australia but their ownership is tightly controlled

It appears this tragedy occurred on a property in Western Australia. It is not uncommon for property owners to be granted gun licenses on their properties

To try and compare this with a mass shooting as say Port Arthur is totally ludicrous

Where do you get this unadulterated sh.t from?
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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:31pm
 
This is an incredibly rare incident for this country
Unlike th US - where it is a daily passtime

Gun control legislation has WORKED


It is the the one legacy of the Howard Government
- that has majority support






School Shooting in Kentucky Was Nation’s 11th of Year. It Was Jan. 23.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/kentucky-school-shooting.html







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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:44pm
 
John Howard's Gun Laws are the triumph of good sense and whether you like him or not he is a genuine bona fide Australian HERO for bringing those Gun Laws in

He has saved literally who knows how many lives by preventing us from going 'all the way with the U.S.A.'

When Howard was fighting to get those Gun Laws in, he faced enormous opposition from our own Gun Lobby and self interested Parties. But he fought on and with massive support from the Public  at large made his Gun Laws iron clad
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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
This is an incredibly rare incident for this country
Unlike th US - where it is a daily passtime

Gun control legislation has WORKED


It is the the one legacy of the Howard Government
- that has majority support






School Shooting in Kentucky Was Nation’s 11th of Year. It Was Jan. 23.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/kentucky-school-shooting.html









Everytown is not a credible source for school shootings they included a shooting in a school that has been closed and has no students.

The everytown link shows the black gun homicide victim rate is 30.7 per 100K compared to the white rate at 2.4 per 100k

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Black men are 13 times more likely than non-hispanic white men to be shot and killed with guns.
Black Americans make up 14 percent of the U.S. population9

but are victims of more than half of all gun homicides.10

https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/#BlackAmericans



Not sure why gun grabbers bring up the USA when mass shootings occur they never cite New Zealand gun laws because NZ allow all the scary black semi autos with silencers. NZ has had no mass shootings since 1997 we have had 2, NZ had their last school shooting 95 years ago.
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Reply #7 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:53pm
 
red baron wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:44pm:
John Howard's Gun Laws are the triumph of good sense and whether you like him or not he is a genuine bona fide Australian HERO for bringing those Gun Laws in

He has saved literally who knows how many lives by preventing us from going 'all the way with the U.S.A.'

When Howard was fighting to get those Gun Laws in, he faced enormous opposition from our own Gun Lobby and self interested Parties. But he fought on and with massive support from the Public  at large made his Gun Laws iron clad


Since this ABC article cited JAMA lets see what they say about our gun laws.

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Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings through May 2016. There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude. Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362


So what caused non firearm homicides to decline by a far greater magnitude compared to firearm homicides did our gun laws also reduce non firearm homicides?
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Reply #8 - May 11th, 2018 at 3:57pm
 
And in the USA, mass shootings like this occur over once a day on average. Here in australia it is limited to every few years.

A clever person - is not a 2" gun lover - sees this as a success for our gun laws.
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From one poster: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nanosecond, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family their parents
 
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Reply #9 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:01pm
 
red baron wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:23pm:
What a misleading wankfest this thread is

Guns are not banned in Australia but their ownership is tightly controlled

It appears this tragedy occurred on a property in Western Australia. It is not uncommon for property owners to be granted gun licenses on their properties

To try and compare this with a mass shooting as say Port Arthur is totally ludicrous

Where do you get this unadulterated sh.t from?


WA has the toughest gun laws in Australia have they established whether this person had a valid firearms license or an illegal gun?

The ABC included a list of mass shootings before Port Arthur most of them were family shootings, the police said there was no further danger to the public with this shooting yet for some reason people think family shootings were a danger to public safety before 1996.

How many of these were family shootings in the list compiled by the ABC, since mass shootings are a single event why do people include 5 day killing sprees in that list?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia


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Reply #10 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:05pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
And in the USA, mass shootings like this occur over once a day on average. Here in australia it is limited to every few years.

A clever person - is not a 2" gun lover - sees this as a success for our gun laws.


Thats bullshit there have been around 95 mass shootings in the USA since 1982 according to the leftist group Mother Jones.

A full list here, if we use Simon Chapman and Philip Alpers unique definition of 5 or more killed which nobody else uses would that reduce this number by a significant amount?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-da...

Of course the hoplophobic gun grabbers always point to the USA they never cite New Zealand gun laws because NZ allow all the guns we restricted they haven't had any mass shootings since 1997, NZ gun laws work you can't argue with the fact they don't have mass shootings.
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Reply #11 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm
 
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad
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Reply #12 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:08pm
 
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad


It hasn't been established if this person legally owned the guns.

A woman in Cairns killed 8 with a knife if this person used a knife instead of a gun would people be blaming knives and calling for knife control or would they be talking about mental illness?

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Reply #13 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:15pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:08pm:
cods wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:06pm:
this isnt about gun laws....

most people who own guns are sensible law abiding people   but every once in a while something as awful as this happens   and we are sent reeling....4 children  what on earth drives anyone to do such a thing is beyond me.......there is so much out there today in the way of help...no matter what the problem  there is help out there........yet it isnt enough.......

the family  friends and neighbours will need a lot of help.......my heart goes out to them.....

lets not blame guns... its the mental state of the person whos responsible .. you couldnt be in your right mind to do something like this. Sad Sad Sad


It hasn't been established if this person legally owned the guns.

A woman in Cairns killed 8 with a knife if this person used a knife instead of a gun would people be blaming knives and calling for knife control or would they be talking about mental illness?




well thats very true  not all deaths are by guns.....

doesnt make any difference legal or not  does it?....all dead including the shooter......I think about the terror the children or anyone must have felt.....its heartbreaking
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Reply #14 - May 11th, 2018 at 4:38pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 11th, 2018 at 3:57pm:
And in the USA, mass shootings like this occur over once a day on average. Here in australia it is limited to every few years.

A clever person - is not a 2" gun lover - sees this as a success for our gun laws.


Thats bullshit there have been around 95 mass shootings in the USA since 1982 according to the leftist group Mother Jones.

A full list here, if we use Simon Chapman and Philip Alpers unique definition of 5 or more killed which nobody else uses would that reduce this number by a significant amount?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-da...

Of course the hoplophobic gun grabbers always point to the USA they never cite New Zealand gun laws because NZ allow all the guns we restricted they haven't had any mass shootings since 1997, NZ gun laws work you can't argue with the fact they don't have mass shootings.



Thats because clowns like you love to find statistics that support your case by redefining the standards. since 1982 over a MILLION people have died from guns in the USA. Choosing to cherry-pick 'mass' shootings is the idiocy that your kind routinely employ.
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