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How Labor would close down Australia
Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:47pm
 
The unions who control every aspect of the Labor Party know they are at death's door with ONLY 10% membership and falling daily and so they are trying to revive the old 70's bash the bosses and up the unions garbage in the vain hope of getting new members.

How close to bankruptcy are the unions in actual fact and is that why they want to rob the pensioners ?

The magic pudding being scammed by the unions- Unions have projected a $50-a-week rise in the minimum wage will create as many as 57,000 jobs in the first year after being introduced




$50-a-week wage rise will boost jobs: ACTU
Matt Coughlan | AAP April 19, 2018 4:31PM

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ACTU secretary Sally McManus the mouse that roared and then went phut.

Unions have projected a $50-a-week rise in the minimum wage will create as many as 57,000 jobs in the first year after being introduced.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions' projections rely on two methodologies outlined in a reply submission to the Fair Work Commission's annual wage review.

They say between 40,000 and 57,000 jobs will be created a year after the minimum wage is lifted by $50 a week, with a further 27,000 to 30,000 in the second year.

"When people on lower wages get a pay rise they spend it in the local economy, and that creates more jobs," ACTU secretary Sally McManus said.

The union peak body wants a $50 wage boost for the nation's lowest-paid workers.

But employer groups have warned that figure would reduce the job security of low-paid workers and lower employment opportunities.

Treasurer Scott Morrison said the union movement was a "closed shop" that catered only for people who were already employed.

"We've got a plan for stronger economy, unions just have a plan for stronger union bosses," Mr Morrison told reporters in Geelong.

He said jobs were created through backing business to invest.

Ms McManus said the Turnbull government and business lobby were trying to keep wages down by running a scare campaign against higher wages.

"That's the same discredited, untruthful, damaging trickle-down economics this government loves to roll out," she said.

The projections have been released as the ACTU's Change The Rules campaign gets into full swing following a major rally in Melbourne earlier in the week.

The demonstration on Tuesday kicked off a series of marches across the country in April and May as part of the biggest campaign since the "Your Rights At Work" push in 2007 that helped bring down Work Choices and the Howard government.

The first projection uses information about households of people on low incomes, while the other relies on Treasury assumptions which calculate the multiplier effect of a wage rise.

The Fair Work commission's decision on the latest minimum wage increase will take effect from July 1.


https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/social/50-a-week-wage-rise-will-boost-jobs-actu...
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Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:57pm
 
Dirty deed afoot a SPAM post goes missing after a moniker change.

What an absolute brothel the Labor Greenies was last time but just imagine what they would be like this time.

No surprise Mal surges up in latest Newspoll.
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Why not have $100 a week rise and create 100,000 jobs then?
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Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:26pm
 
juliar wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Bit of SPAM there. But don't give up little SPAM grows into big SPAM one day.


Don't worry socko. You can still invest in Harvey Norman, Dominoes pizza, The Shaver Shop and Nick Scarly furniture. Aussies are falling over themselves to sink money into those trashy companies Sad
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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm
 


No one will be investing money in Australia when labor get in,,, thats what happens
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miketrees wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm:
No one will be investing money in Australia when labor get in,,, thats what happens


Itchys , Wheatstone , Gorgon , LNG jobs in QLD

Number of major resource projects approved and underway in 6 years of libtards
ZERO SQUAT NENTI NADA NOT A ONE
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Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:55pm
 
yep typical that a coalition voter refuses to increase wage rises for the lowest paid.
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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 8:50pm
 
juliar wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:57pm:
Bit of SPAM there. But don't give up little SPAM grows into big SPAM one day.


Yes seems to be all you post ?
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Reply #8 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 11:32pm
 
miketrees wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm:
No one will be investing money in Australia when labor get in,,, thats what happens


Yeah - why would they change their pattern just because Labor gets in.....
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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 11:36pm
 
miketrees wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:28pm:
No one will be investing money in Australia when labor get in,,, thats what happens

Citation needed.
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Reply #10 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 7:53am
 
miketrees wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Why not have $100 a week rise and create 100,000 jobs then?


Because it would not create 100,000 jobs. It would result in job losses as SME's and other small business operators would have no choice other than to close down due to spiralling costs. Another example of militant Unions not looking at the big picture.
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Reply #11 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 8:42am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2018 at 7:53am:
miketrees wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:13pm:
Why not have $100 a week rise and create 100,000 jobs then?


Because it would not create 100,000 jobs. It would result in job losses as SME's and other small business operators would have no choice other than to close down due to spiralling costs. Another example of militant Unions not looking at the big picture.

Citation needed.
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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:28am
 
Australia has shut down now  , when you can only muster .4 of 1% through a Xmas period with no GFC you know wallets have well an truly been slammed shut
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Reply #13 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:53am
 
Why has Polly Waffle changed his moniker ?

Is the humiliating embarrassment of his 30th birthday debacle too great to bear as Mal surges up in latest NewsPoll.

After HillBilly's latest utter disaster in losing the election Malcolm had to allow NewsPoll to leak a little TRUTH this time otherwise its credibility would be questioned.

Does NewsPoll interview the SAME 1500 people each time ?


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Malcolm climbs the steps to a certain election victory this time after HillBilly threatens to bash the pensioners.



Malcolm Turnbull's coalition government has lost its 31st consecutive Newspoll to Labor.
UpdatedUpdated 10 hours ago

Despite an improved result, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's coalition government has suffered its 31st consecutive loss to Labor in the latest Newspoll.

The coalition trails Labor 49-51 on a two party preferred basis, according to results published by The Australian on Sunday night. The margin is the coalition's best position since September 2016.

However the latest result exceeds Mr Turnbull's marker for rolling Tony Abbott as prime minister in September 2015. He used 30 consecutive Newspoll losses as a reason for ousting Mr Abbott.

On a brighter note Mr Turnbull remains preferred PM at 38 per cent to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten's 35 per cent.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/turnbull-s-31st-consecutive-newspoll-loss


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Reply #14 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:56am
 
.4 of 1% through a xmas period with no GFC and an unemployment rate higher than our top ten trading partners , deary deary me

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Reply #15 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Whilst the rest of the world moves forward in leaps and bounds Australia gets held back by 1950s libtards ideology deary deary me  Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Apr 23rd, 2018 at 10:20am
 
Polly Waffle is SPAMMING. Naughty naughty. But then he IS a Lefty.

NewsPoll raises the flag for Malcolm who streaks ahead of HillBilly as preferred PM.



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Reply #17 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 12:51pm
 
The evil union controlled Labor Party plans and plots to spread its tentacles thruout the community like some sort of malignant cancer!!!

Bill and Bowen are out to destroy small business as Labor have never liked small businesses. There is no future with this mob which is why we have to get a decent leader in the Liberal Party and run Bill and his commie mates out of town.




Franking credit fallout spreads in the union controlled Labor Party
THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU

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Over the weekend I received a surprise phone call from a backbench coalition politician in a marginal seat, with whom I had had no previous contact. He explained to me that my commentary on franking credits and the Shorten/Bowen policy had omitted an important segment of the community that are set to get it in the neck.

This part of the community was not involved in investing in banks etc.——their investment was in their small corporate business and, while they mightn’t yet, realise it, they are going to cop it and cop it big.

It was stunning to get a call from a coalition politician about small business given that the coalition have allowed the ATO to maul the small business community and, at least until now, have done absolutely nothing about it.

But this coalition politician understands the minute details of how small business works and he is watching to make sure that we have a proper independent tax appeal system for small business and not an ATO-controlled kangaroo court that is useless.

But he was calling about franking credits. A great many small business people simply have all their money in their business and they don’t have the spare cash to build up large superannuation investments. The long term plan is that when it comes to retirement they will sell the business and the funds they receive might be invested in a superannuation fund or would be part of their retirement package.

And, to be fair, the government has helped that process with a number of tax measures. But a great many of these businesses have been profitable for many years and paid company tax which generated franking credits. They didn’t pay the dividends because they needed the money for working capital and necessary business investments.

In recent times, the value of these businesses declined and the sort of retirement benefit that they might have expected a few years back might not be there today because people are not paying the same prices for small- and medium-sized business unless they have strategic value.

But, with that qualification, these businesses are being sold and a healthy market has developed. The entrepreneurial plan is that once the cash is in the till from the business sale, the entrepreneurs pay out those accumulated franking credits via special dividends which they can afford because they are no longer funding the business.

At that time they are unlikely to have substantial “other” income and the franking credits will be a lump sum credit. Under the Shorten/Bowen plan, those small business franking credits are flushed down the toilet and will substantially reduce the ability of those small business people to fund their retirement.

I write a lot about small business but I never thought of that sort of damage and I am grateful to the Coalition backbencher for flagging it. If the opinion polls are right and Bill Shorten wins the next election, it’s more than likely my marginal seat holder will no longer be in parliament but we need politicians on both sides who through their own knowledge can see the effect of certain measures on the small business community

I am not naming the politician at this point but I will be following his progress and I hope he is bold enough to really turn the party room upside down if the ATO is allowed to continue without a proper low cost independent small business appeal system.

If Shorten and Bowen don’t wake up and the Coalition acts in the national interest on the ATO, then backbenchers who have the support of their small business community can point out the franking credit destruction and conceivably deliver a Coalition win. But the ATO snow making machine will attempt to trick the Coalition into bad policy.

And remember that employment in Australia is going to be more and more concentrated in smaller enterprises and, no matter who gets into power, we must have an environment where these people get a fair chance.

If we don’t then the society we are moving into will be a much poorer place and if the next government steals the franking credits from the small business community and the current government perpetuates the current ATO disaster then the confidence of the population in our politicians will fall to a new low and I suspect the same will happen to tax collections.

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Reply #18 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
The rapacious unions are out for every dollar they can pinch from decent Australians especially pensioners. Now they are after the SUPER funds as well.

Sally the mouse that roared and then went phut is worried about dodgy banks, you can't make this stuff up and Sal wants control of the superannuation funds.




Rethink dodgy banks, McManus tells funds
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ACTU secretary Sally McManus has urged industry superannuation funds to reconsider their relationships with the major banks in the wake of the revelations at the financial services royal commission.

Ms McManus today wrote to fund chief executives asking them to reconsider their commercial relationships with the “dodgy” banks, saying she had been “appalled by the outrageous and illegal behaviour” uncovered by the commission.

Superannuation funds have billions of dollars of bank stocks in their Australian share portfolios.

She said industry superannuation funds controlled the retirement savings of millions of Australians, and had consistently outperformed the for-profit funds run by the banks.

“Working people in Australia gave up pay rises in order to get universal superannuation off the ground to provide access to a dignified retirement for everyone,’’ she said.

“In light of the revelations of the past weeks at the Banking Royal Commission, I am asking Industry Super Fund CEOs to reconsider their commercial relationships with banks.

“The retirement savings of working people should not be used to prop organisations that house rotten, corrupt and unethical behaviours like those revealed over the past weeks.”

In her letter, she says a superannuation fund, and organisations the fund has a commercial relationship with, might have considerable direct and indirect relationships with one of the banks or service providers.

“Should this be the case, on behalf of the trade union members of your fund I am requesting that you review and consider these relationships, in accordance with your existing (environmental, social and governance) policies and procedures, unequivocally clarifying the expectations and interest of your funds members should you consider it appropriate for these relationships to continue,’’ she says.

According to financial services information company Rainmaker, bank stocks account for an estimated 25 per cent of the Australian share portfolios of not for profit superannuation funds.

Alex Dunnin, executive director of research and compliance at Rainmaker, said major investors in Australian shares had almost no choice but to invest in banks given the financial sector was one-third of the ASX.

“So whether industry funds like it or not they are entwined with the banking sector as either customers or shareholders, which is ironic if you consider how passionately industry funds and bank-owned funds compete with each other,’’ he said.

“Where it gets complicated for the industry funds is that even if they wanted to divest from the banks it will be hard to find another part of the economy big enough to absorb their capital.”

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juliar wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
The rapacious unions are out for every dollar they can pinch from decent Australians especially pensioners. Now they are after the SUPER funds as well.

Sally the mouse that roared and then went phut is worried about dodgy banks, you can't make this stuff up and Sal wants control of the superannuation funds.




Rethink dodgy banks, McManus tells funds
THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU

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ACTU secretary Sally McManus has urged industry superannuation funds to reconsider their relationships with the major banks in the wake of the revelations at the financial services royal commission.

Ms McManus today wrote to fund chief executives asking them to reconsider their commercial relationships with the “dodgy” banks, saying she had been “appalled by the outrageous and illegal behaviour” uncovered by the commission.

Superannuation funds have billions of dollars of bank stocks in their Australian share portfolios.

She said industry superannuation funds controlled the retirement savings of millions of Australians, and had consistently outperformed the for-profit funds run by the banks.

“Working people in Australia gave up pay rises in order to get universal superannuation off the ground to provide access to a dignified retirement for everyone,’’ she said.

“In light of the revelations of the past weeks at the Banking Royal Commission, I am asking Industry Super Fund CEOs to reconsider their commercial relationships with banks.

“The retirement savings of working people should not be used to prop organisations that house rotten, corrupt and unethical behaviours like those revealed over the past weeks.”

In her letter, she says a superannuation fund, and organisations the fund has a commercial relationship with, might have considerable direct and indirect relationships with one of the banks or service providers.

“Should this be the case, on behalf of the trade union members of your fund I am requesting that you review and consider these relationships, in accordance with your existing (environmental, social and governance) policies and procedures, unequivocally clarifying the expectations and interest of your funds members should you consider it appropriate for these relationships to continue,’’ she says.

According to financial services information company Rainmaker, bank stocks account for an estimated 25 per cent of the Australian share portfolios of not for profit superannuation funds.

Alex Dunnin, executive director of research and compliance at Rainmaker, said major investors in Australian shares had almost no choice but to invest in banks given the financial sector was one-third of the ASX.

“So whether industry funds like it or not they are entwined with the banking sector as either customers or shareholders, which is ironic if you consider how passionately industry funds and bank-owned funds compete with each other,’’ he said.

“Where it gets complicated for the industry funds is that even if they wanted to divest from the banks it will be hard to find another part of the economy big enough to absorb their capital.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/…/2aac8fead8e20fc9624b1dc2…


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Reply #20 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:15pm
 
So woulld juliar care to explain how a 50 dollar a week rise would not lead to more jobs and cause destruction of Australia
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The mere fact the CFMEU keep Setka speaks volumes on what they stand for, Shorten supporting Setka and his union tells us that he has no problem mixing with the **** of society.

Shorten is owned by the unions, he was part of the crooks until he upgraded in his mind, none of this trash should ever have anything to do with running Australia, Shorten has always been a puppet.


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Bill Shorten is a man of conviction, according to union boss John Setka. Setka, on the other hand is a man with convictions, at least 40 of them at the last count, and he’s facing charges under section 87 of the Crimes Act, which prohibits making demands with menace to gain an advantage.

“I think Bill Shorten is starting to make the ALP a stand for something party,” the Victorian head of the Construction Forestry Maritime Mining and Energy Union said last week.

Setka does not hand out such compliments lightly. In an email to members last month headed “Stop supporting traitors and dogs”, Setka plucked epithets from the thesaurus of profanities to attack Labor’s “sellout morons”.

Former treasurer Wayne Swan is a “maggot” and a “piece of sh**”, wrote Setka. Former Labor cabinet member Greg Combet was “earning good money from the same workers he helped f..k over.”

Setka’s foul-mouthed rhetoric may resonate within the thuggish subculture of the unionised construction industry, but decent law-abiding citizens find it unappealing.

Shorten’s support for Setka’s CFMMEU shows he is anything but a conviction politician. He is a man who does deals, like the one he struck with the construction union in 2013 in return for its support for his leadership bid.

A leader with conviction would call for union militants to be expelled from the party, as Kevin Rudd did before the 2007 election.

A leader with conviction would put the national interest before party factions, as Bob Hawke did in 1985 introducing legislation to deregister the Builders Labourers Federation.

Hawke told parliament the bill gave him no pleasure. “But we intend to take the action which is necessary in the interests of this society. We do so in the name of the country as a whole.”

The CFMMEU makes the BLF look like pussycats. This year alone the construction union and its officials have clocked up more than $2 million in fines and penalties, and it is feeling the pain.

The Australian Building and Construction Commission’s inspectors are “f..kers trying to take us to court and jail us”, Setka told a union rally last June. “You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to expose them all … they’re in for a big surprise.”

Under a Labor government, the unions will always be on the right side of the law because Shorten simply will abolish the laws the unions don’t like.

A Labor government will abolish the ABCC, re¬moving its protection for building contractors and the general public.

Industrial action will increase, productivity will fall and the cost of construction will rise. Sub-contractors will be harassed and concrete pours stopped. We know that because it happened last time.


Julia Gillard at least had the decency to replace John Howard’s ABCC with a watchdog with blunter teeth. Shorten has no such intention, as Ewin Hannan reported in a disturbing article on Saturday. Never mind that the Turnbull government won a double dissolution to pass its ABCC legislation. Never mind that it persuaded both chambers of parliament it was in the national interest.

The ABCC “breaches fundamental civil rights”, Labor’s workplace relations spokesman Brendan O’Connor told The Weekend Australian. “It’s in breach of International Labour Organisation conventions, it breaches international law.”

When politicians appeal to international law, you can be sure they are blustering. Even supposing O’Connor’s dubious claim was correct, the argument that an international convention should take precedence over laws passed by a sovereign parliament is cuckoo.

Yet Shorten has cut a deal and any argument will do. If he must roll over and have his tummy tickled, so be it.

Shorten’s passivity has emboldened union radicals, such as ACTU secretary Sally McManus, who says that when a law is unjust, she sees no problem breaking it. That’s how life is in McManus World, a place where plucky workers, beaten down by unjust laws and neoliberalism, take the fight up to top-hatted bosses who steal their wages.

Yet unions today are corporate entities, with multiple streams of revenue and millions of dollars at their disposal, every bit as remote from the lives of everyday Australians as the large private corporations they disdain.

The merger of the most belligerent, the Maritime Union of Australia and the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union, has produced an entity with $310m in assets and combined revenue of $148m a year.

The hypocrisy is astounding. Take United Voice which, like other unions, rails against corporate tax avoidance.

Two weeks ago the union sold a fully leased office building in Haymarket, Sydney, to a Chinese developer for $145.8m, almost three times the value listed in its annual report.

How much will United Voice be obliged to pay in capital gains tax? Nothing.

Unions enjoy the privilege of tax exception and weak reporting requirements rendering them opaque and unaccountable.

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A bit more continues...

Labor’s pledge to scrap the Registered Organisation Commission will rid the likes of United Voice of another irritating statutory committee established to hold them to account.

Labor has become a servant to vested interests, the unions that pay for its election campaigns, serve as a training ground for its parliamentary candidates and con¬trol the powerful block votes at its conferences.

Shorten is a union man through and through, as Hawke was before him. If Shorten aspires to Hawke’s stature, however, he must muster the courage to say no.

He must look to the interests of 99 per cent of workers, not just the 1 per cent who are members of the CFMMEU.

Nick Cater is executive director of the Menzies Research Centre.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/…/318b5f50b49f439a56ce872e…



Jill Christensen- Shorten making the ALP stand for something, is code for entrenching union corruption, militancy, and only obeying laws when they agree with them.

Rob Batty- Thug material there!!!



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Reply #23 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:28pm
 
Australia is open for workers - business can wait their turn... while we resolve their tax issues for them..... and get revenue on-track to resolve budgetary issues....
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Reply #24 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:43pm
 
Perhaps BH would be able to explain how it would ?

The low wage growth is due to a number of factors.

Still slow growth in business so there is no problem in getting staff.

Low inflation due to the cheap imported items and the mining downturn.

Some inflation for goods made in union mad Australia and renewable rubbish putting up electricity prices.


Quite good rational explanation here:- https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/low-wage-growth-based-on-solid-ec...


Another one:-  http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/the-good-news-about-low-wages-growth-20171...


Now BH after actually reading these you will have the answer to your question.
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Reply #25 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:44pm
 
No, I asked you first. How will increasing the minimum wage not lead to a increase in employment?
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Reply #26 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 2:15pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
No, I asked you first. How will increasing the minimum wage not lead to a increase in employment?


It doesn't have a clue, the backbone of any economy is the consumers , crank up the cost of living and keep wages low and you get .4 of 1% growth through Xmas with no GFC , I slammed my wallet shut the day libtards were elected and it appears everybody else has finally caught on as household savings have dropped from 10% in 2013 to less than 3%
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Remember when Joe hockey told us all to go out and spend , I made sure I made even more cut bucks
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Reply #28 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
Polly Waffle shows why he is normally ignored.

BH runs for cover as soon as the spotlite swings onto him. In other words he knows he is talking bulldust and cannot back up what he says.

He just wants to go off onto one of his endless circular waffle sessions to try to change the subject which is distinctly unpleasant for the Lefties.

BH your fearsome reputation precedes you. Now back to the topic.



It's a rather long article but the rules are simple if Shortonbrains is elected to run Australia the union vermin will be in charge and we might as well close up shop, the man is a raving lunatic. Read it and weep.

Shorten plan to give unions more clout
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If Bill Shorten becomes prime minister, the rules of engagement between labour and capital in this country will be rewritten, diminishing the bargaining power of employers and enhancing the influence of unions and workers.

Labor’s labour promises

• Scrap the Australian Building and Construction Commission

• Revive the powers of the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal

• Abolish the Registered Organisations Commission

• Higher penalties on employers for deliberate underpayment of wages

• New definition of casual employment

• Greater capacity or Fair Work Commission to arbitrate long-­running “intractable” disputes

• Scrap the ability of companies to terminate enterprise agreements

• Reduce employer capacity to lock out workers for lengthy periods

• Potentially require the commission to give greater weight to the needs of low-paid workers when determining minimum wage ­increases

• Overhaul low-paid bargaining laws to allow claims on multiple ­employers

• Penalty rate cuts by the commission to be reversed

• Workers to receive 10 days paid domestic violence leave annually



Some snorter comments about Snorter Shorten.

Darran Bairstow I wonder how long it would take Shorten to lead Australia into recession if he becomes PM??

Mike Hogan Well you get what you vote for. The sooner Shortime and the thugs get elected the sooner they get tossed out. Let them inherit the national debt they help create with the help of the greens. Shortime and the greens have manipulated the Senate in opposition. If you vote labor, union thugs, and the greens you should feel responsible for the enfolding tragedy.

John Kearns "...still the largest social and economic movement in Australia by a country mile."
I know of one far far larger buddy. The pensioner movement.
You fail the truth test buddy.

Ruth Cervenka Communism isn't thawing, it is burning with a deadly heat, and it is surely not sleeping, it is as always plotting, scheming, working to fight the people.
Shortens goal of socialism IS communism.

Werner Hecht Again we will lose more factories, closing down. We got hardly any big employer's left. Don't make cars ships etc. anymore. I do believe that we need unions, as there are scrupulous employers out there. But most of our unions are not flexible enough. Fair negotiations should be the answer. But l would never trust Shorten.

Robin Brown And the only reason this arse rimmer is still a pathetic corrupt leader is because he has made promises to the filth union power mongerers. And promises he cant keep.

Noel Latimer Look at all the liberal trolls come out to play make comments they know nothing about and run back to there caves

Freda Metcalfe Unions will finish off whatever industries are left

John Long The puppet and its master. Really frightening.

William Sanderson Shorten. We already know he can’t ever be trusted, he tells lies on a daily basis. We already know all his actions are directed by his union bosses. He has to do their bidding, they pay his/labors way in elections and covering other “expenses“. Union pay, labor obeys. You labor voters DO NOT have the say, it is the UNIONS. A vote for Shorten in actual effect is a vote for the UNIONs. Take care, Australia needs to retain control over OUR COUNTRY. Its borders, all of its laws, NEVER allow the UN/ONE WORLD Government to be in control. That is totally unacceptable.

Mick Lanagan I still find it kinda funny that Turnbull once aspired to join the Labor Party and was rejected.

Barbara Cleal SHORTON SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED.

Marlene Fernando In for serious trouble if he gets in. With all the rorts in the past and still going on?

Leigh Peatt Drain the Swamp & get rid of this IDIOT before it is too late!!

Stan Griffiths This is so very true, we will be in dire sh** if Shorten gets voted in !!

Martini Henry Bill ShortAss has been watching too many Adolf Hitler rallies. 😁

Eleanor Evans You only have to see how Victoria is run Andrews and his union partners have destroyed this state queensland not far behind all union run

Noel Latimer How come your worried about over he when you live in nz it's not affecting you ??

Eileen Bruce Perkins I still reckon Turnbull is working hand in hand with him

Mervyn Beamish In otherwords the pendulum will swing in favour of the 'worker' and away from big business

Phyllis Bell I think its up to all Australians to give Bill Shorten some clout and banish him for ever.

Tim Montague The bloke is dumber than *** ****

Cindy Bowles Time to kick out the old and bring in Pauline Hanson

Thaess White Heaven help us.

Curt Rendall I hope he is never Prime Minister

Alyson Hay Never get my vote boofhead


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Labor , majority government , hopefully by August  Smiley
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Reply #30 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
• Scrap the Australian Building and Construction Commission

• Revive the powers of the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal

• Abolish the Registered Organisations Commission

• Higher penalties on employers for deliberate underpayment of wages

• New definition of casual employment

• Greater capacity or Fair Work Commission to arbitrate long-­running “intractable” disputes

• Scrap the ability of companies to terminate enterprise agreements

• Reduce employer capacity to lock out workers for lengthy periods

• Potentially require the commission to give greater weight to the needs of low-paid workers when determining minimum wage ­increases

• Overhaul low-paid bargaining laws to allow claims on multiple ­employers

• Penalty rate cuts by the commission to be reversed

• Workers to receive 10 days paid domestic violence leave annually


Well done Bill  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Reply #31 - Apr 24th, 2018 at 7:43pm
 
Polly waffle has got waffle diarrhoea. Just meaningless SPAMMING.

But now some real stuff that is far beyond Polly Waffle's meager mentality.

The evil that walks amongst us - the union controlled Labor Party.

This is the sort of thing that would be an everyday occurrence if the mongrel coalition of Labor and the Greenies ever got in. Back to the 70s industrial anarchy





CFMMEU fined $500,000 for coercing Hutchinson over non-union subcontractors
by David Marin-Guzman Apr 24 2018 at 3:49 PM Updated Apr 24 2018 at 4:02 PM

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CFMMEU Queensland hit Hutchinson Builders with a wave of strikes to force it engage union subcontractors. Luis Enrique Ascui

The Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union has been hit with more than half a million dollars in fines for organising a wave of unlawful strikes against Hutchinson Builders to force it to use union-approved subcontractors.

Federal Court Justice Berna Collier fined the CFMMEU $432,000 and seven Queensland officials a total $90,000 for a campaign of intimidation that hit nine major construction sites in Brisbane over the course of a month in late 2016.

The judge said the strikes were part of a "deliberate, premeditated and sustained campaign of unlawful industrial behaviour orchestrated by the CFMMEU, including elements of intimidation, threat and coercion".

The CFMMEU conceded it took the action to coerce Hutchinson to engage sub-contractors that were covered by CFMMEU enterprise agreements and in response to the builder not consulting the union before using subcontractors.

The stoppages hit Hutchinson sites, including the $360 million Skytower project and a $120 million apartment block in Newstead Central, and were timed to cause maximum disruption such that eight concrete pours had to be cancelled.

The court heard on any given day CFMMEU officials ordered between three and 136 sub-contractor employees to leave the sites.

Lawbreaking 'normalised'
Justice Collier said the level of coordination involved in the strikes indicated senior CFMMEU officials were involved, with organisers telling site managers they had been "instructed from above" and to contact CFMMEU assistant secretary Jade Ingham.

The judge set penalties at the top end given the strong need to deter the CFMMEU after noting it was "not an understatement" to describe all the legal actions against it as "vast".

"The record of contraventions on the part of the CFMMEU bespeaks an organisational culture in the union in which contraventions of the law have become normalised.

"It is questionable whether the imposition of pecuniary penalties in previous cases has affected the conduct of the CFMMEU."

The CFMMEU's wave of strikes came shortly after the Federal Circuit Court found Hutchinson had breached the federal building code by refusing to award a contract to a company that did not have a CFMMEU agreement.

Union meetings authorised
Despite finding the stoppages were coercion and adverse action, Justice Collier held some stoppages were authorised under a clause the union negotiated in Hutchinson's enterprise agreement that allowed it hold "union meetings" during working hours.

She rejected Australian Building and Construction Commission argument that the meetings were "sham meetings".

"It is common ground that proper notices of meetings were given, the stoppages occurred, and union meetings were held. There was no 'sham' in that respect."

ABC Commissioner Stephen McBurney said the CFMMEU had targeted small businesses with the strikes.

"The overwhelming pressure applied in this case was aimed at forcing a head contractor to discriminate against smaller subcontractors who did not have CFMMEU enterprise agreements," Mr McBurney said.

"These are often small-to-medium sized businesses and the unlawful behaviour seen in this case could have impacted their businesses and their workers' livelihood."



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Its time wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
• Scrap the Australian Building and Construction Commission

• Revive the powers of the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal

• Abolish the Registered Organisations Commission

• Higher penalties on employers for deliberate underpayment of wages

• New definition of casual employment

• Greater capacity or Fair Work Commission to arbitrate long-­running “intractable” disputes

• Scrap the ability of companies to terminate enterprise agreements

• Reduce employer capacity to lock out workers for lengthy periods

• Potentially require the commission to give greater weight to the needs of low-paid workers when determining minimum wage ­increases

• Overhaul low-paid bargaining laws to allow claims on multiple ­employers

• Penalty rate cuts by the commission to be reversed

• Workers to receive 10 days paid domestic violence leave annually


Well done Bill  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley


Excellent policy Bill , we all know trickle down is an abject failure
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Reply #33 - Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:15am
 
Rtard Polly Waffle is like a broken record as he empties his tiny repertoire. So inarticulate he couldn't argue his way out of a wet paper bag. Such a typical Lefty.


Australia's economy has significant momentum.

Labor would hurt our economy and cost jobs, with over $200 billion of increased taxes, higher power bills, more power for militant unions and more deficits and debt. Not to mention RESTARTING the BOAT!!!!

And why has all the manufacturing jobs gone overseas. Because of the unions demanding more and more for less work. Making companies look for cheaper options. Blame the unions for no jobs. Just bullies and nothing else.

5% for Medicare, 12% superannuation, no Negative Gearing, unviable super. Higher prices and unreliable electricity. Yep, Labor will screw you!!!!


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Reply #34 - Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:20am
 
Now how about a few valid factual COMMENTS that will make the lefties cringe.

Craig 2 DAYS AGO
Having a business that employs staff now is difficult enough, under B cup Bill it will be impossible.


Jacques 3 DAYS AGO
The amalgamation of the CMEU & MU, the ads calling for "change" to rally people to join unions - the country is undergoing a communist takeover.  So where is  Turnbull?  Where are his Ministers?  Why aren't they out there warning Australians of what is going on here??


David 3 DAYS AGO
Labor and the unions are zero sum. All they care about is taking more and more money away from bosses and businesses for their own benefit, at the expense of tens of thousands of workers who will end up without jobs or prospects of work. They couldbn't care less about growing the economy, which is the only sustainable way of providing wage rises for workers.
Labor and the unions are all about class warfare and the politics of envy.


Tom 3 DAYS AGO
May God help Australia if Shorten gets to be PM.


Gary 3 DAYS AGO
Looking resplendent in commie red


harry 3 DAYS AGO
Cross armed photo: “say what ever you like, do whatever you wanna do, WE ARE NOT LISTENING”. Great stance for the 1970’s


David 3 DAYS AGO
@harry It is in exact contrast to what O'Connor claims that they always listen to everyone. The unions and Labor have zero fact in their argument, -it is based totally on bull dust, crap and false accusations of business and Coalition policy that is 100% unfounded. Labor knows that all of their unsubstantiated allegations are never questioned by the media.

I find it totally astounding that the media does not query anything that Sally McManus claims in all of her hollow propaganda based claims.  What knowledge, experience or economic training does Mcmanus have to make such applied economic claims? Less than none!

I suppose that happens when the media, namely the ABC,  hires people like the arts qualified Emma Alberici as its chief economics correspondent. She has no applied economics qualifications or experience to speak of, so she is incapable of querying McManus, regardless of the fact that she clearly has no intent of doing so in the first place. How such unqualified and leftward biased people are able to land such senior jobs at the ABC can only happen at a tax payer funded organisation.


Kevin 3 DAYS AGO
🇦🇺OMG! Check it out it’s Bill The Messiah.

Edi 3 DAYS AGO
If one is genuinely interested in making progress, one must seriously consider not going backwards.

Steven 3 DAYS AGO
dont need government to make laws. ebas are adopting better wage awards and benefits. we do need a labor government in canberra though.

paul 3 DAYS AGO
@Steven who do you think the labor party is? They are the unions, not just their political mouthpieces.


David 3 DAYS AGO
@Steven Steven, you have less intelligence and an equally big a mouth as Sally McManus. Just like all of Sally McManus' comments, you rely on what you say not being questioned by other people who actually know better.

Answer 2 questions for me Steven:

1. What qualifies you to make such a profound claim to say that Labor is needed in power in Canberra.

2. What could the Labor party sustainable achieve, that the Coalition isn't already doing, or is planning to do, that the Labor party will do better?

The answer to these questions is a resounding nothing to both questions.

But along with your claims, Labor totally relies on spin, lies and unfounded propaganda to go out to the public that is uncorrected and unquestioned to sway the public based on absolute lies.


Peter 3 DAYS AGO
Someone needs to to tell him communists are no longer a make up of our country. Seriously dangerous for him to take us back that far.

Kevin 3 DAYS AGO
@Peter Sorry Mate brain washed university graduates spouting Communist dogma & tenet now make up a large proportion of our population. Not a nice situation but true I fear.

Terence 3 DAYS AGO
6 years of this and the Chinese will walk in and take over whatever is left. Unions will be a historical remnant of misguided times past. Greens will disappear overnight and welfare will be a distant memory. Whilst Turmbull and co. are a real disaster, the Shorten gulag, of absolutely sheer bastardry,  will condemn Australia to a footnote in the encyclopaedia of stupid peoples.

John 3 DAYS AGO
The reason unions are pretty much dead isn’t because of the law. It’s because their services lack modern relevance. They can’t become relevant by passing a law that winds back the clock to the good old days of fifty years ago. They can only become relevant by providing services that are of value to modern workers who are typical Aussies. Statistically, union members are a fringe group like Greens, One Nation or Australian Conservatives. They need to be mainstream. That means becoming mainstream, not changing the law to say weirdo is the new mainstream.

David 3 DAYS AGO
@John But you tell this to the uneducated and un-knowledgeable workers, who swallow everything that Labor and the unions preach to them. Labor members and unionists aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

This is before they start preaching their fantasy lies and dreams to the rest of the uneducated society who don't know any better.

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Reply #35 - Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:09am
 
Scrap the Australian Building and Construction Commission

• Revive the powers of the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal

• Abolish the Registered Organisations Commission

• Higher penalties on employers for deliberate underpayment of wages

• New definition of casual employment

• Greater capacity or Fair Work Commission to arbitrate long-­running “intractable” disputes

• Scrap the ability of companies to terminate enterprise agreements

• Reduce employer capacity to lock out workers for lengthy periods

• Potentially require the commission to give greater weight to the needs of low-paid workers when determining minimum wage ­increases

• Overhaul low-paid bargaining laws to allow claims on multiple ­employers

• Penalty rate cuts by the commission to be reversed

• Workers to receive 10 days paid domestic violence leave annually


This is absolutely brilliant news
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Reply #36 - Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Libs have caused everybody to absolutely slam their wallets shut not the unions
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Reply #37 - Apr 25th, 2018 at 11:37am
 
Rtard Polly Waffle is just repeating the same old waffle. What a boring non-event. No surprise he is normally ignored as a waste of space.

The International Community laughed at us when Rudd and Gillard were there. They would be pissing themselves laughing if the braless Shorten was PM.

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Reply #38 - May 1st, 2018 at 8:19pm
 
More warnings to NEVER EVER VOTE for the union thugs controlled LABOR PARTY!!!!

Great article, it's good to have the facts explained plain and simple. I can answer the why question, the only thing Labor are interested in is power, they couldn't care less about the workers they want money to live it up while they are in power and will do anything to import their voters and keep destroying Australia.



Why is Bill slugging middle class?
JUDITH SLOAN THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU

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As the layers of Labor’s tax hike proposals begin to pile up, it is worth asking the question: why does Labor have it in for the middle class? We know Labor dislikes big businesses and high-income earners; but the middle class?

As you will see, most of Labor’s proposals to raise taxes and alter various tax rules mainly will affect middle-income earners rather than hit the wealthy in any meaningful way.

Of course, the middle is the middle and that is where most households are. It’s where some of the money, at least, is located that Labor wants to grab and then redirect.

But when you think about who is the middle class, you think of households made up of a police detective, a nurse and a couple of kids; of two public servants and one kid; of a bank middle manager, a stay-at-home mum and three kids; a single practice manager — they are all potential Labor voters.

So let’s go through some of Labor’s proposals. Take the plan to remove negative gearing for all assets apart from new residential real estate. It’s grandfathered, but this will not completely protect investors in negatively geared properties because the change will have an impact on property prices. An aim of Labor’s policy is to make housing more affordable.

Seventy per cent of investors own one property and the most common occupations among investors are company chief executives, senior managers, teachers, IT workers, engineers, nurses, retail workers, office managers, advertising workers and clerks.

More than 60 per cent of those who record a net rental loss on properties have taxable incomes of less than $80,000 a year (which is inclusive of the deduction for the rental loss), putting these folk clearly in the category of middle class.

Claims by Labor that using income data after tax deductions is unreliable are essentially false since we know the value of these tax deductions. In fact, according to Labor’s own figures, the net rental loss deductions are less than $5000 a year on average. Most negatively geared investors are still firmly middle class.

The left-leaning Grattan Institute will make the point that the largest value of net rental losses is attributable to very high-income individuals who often own multiple properties.

But here’s the thing: Labor’s policy won’t affect them to the same extent as a teacher, say, with one negatively geared property. These multiple property owners will be able to offset net negative rents against net positive rents as well as other investment income before calculating their taxable incomes, an option unavailable to our teacher.

You may say that, under Labor, middle-income earners will turn their attention to investing in negatively geared new properties and that’s a good thing. But when an investor goes to sell that property, it no longer will be new and so the next purchaser or investor will factor in the loss of the benefit of negative gearing and offer a lower price. This will diminish the potential attraction of the investment in the first place.

Then we have the change to the capital gains tax, the discount of which Labor is proposing to reduce from 50 per cent to 25 per cent. This plan is also grandfathered.

Again, Labor is not worried about the distributional consequences of this change: in fact, it brags that it will hit the wealthiest. Interestingly, the information Labor uses to make this claim is the same taxable income data that it claims is flawed.

The fact many people are pushed into the highest income decile when a capital gain is realised is not surprising, but this doesn’t mean the person is always a high earner.

Consider the teacher who sells their rental property which they have held for seven years. The capital gain is $200,000, which would not be uncommon in the major capital cities.

That will put the teacher well into the top tax bracket for that year, so they will pay the capital gains tax at the rate of 49 per cent (the higher rate is also part of Labor’s plans) on $150,000 rather than $100,000. In other words, the teacher will have to pay more than another $24,000 in tax.

Labor’s elimination of negative gearing for all assets other than new properties and the change to the capital gains tax mean there will be little incentive for middle-class folk to make the investments that may lead to self-sufficient retirements.

The very wealthy needn’t worry; sophisticated investors generally will have capital losses to carry forward and there are options including in relation to offshore investments and exotic investment vehicles. Some even may move offshore altogether as Australia’s capital gains tax gets among the highest in the world. It’s the middle class that will be hit.

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The rest of the grasping greedy unions who want to steal your money continues...

The same can be said of Labor’s odd proposal to eliminate cash refunds for excess imputation credits save for people on the Age Pension and those in a self-managed superannuation scheme as at the end of March this year but not after that date.

Take a couple in their late 60s with $1 million in superannuation who are due to retire at the end of next year. They won’t receive an Age Pension. Compare this with a couple with $500,000 in superannuation. They will qualify for the pension and continue to receive cash refunds for franking credits. So, the net income of the first couple may be lower than the net income of the second as they’ll lose the benefit of the cash refunds of the franking credits. They could be more than $6000 a year worse off than the second couple even though they have saved twice as much in superannuation.

But what about someone with a very large amount of superannuation — say $1.6m in a pension account and another $1.6m in an accumulation account? They needn’t worry — there should be sufficient tax paid in the accumulation account to make use of the franking credits. Again, Labor punishes the modestly well-off while protecting the very well-off.

As the election draws nearer, these inequitable features of Labor’s tax grab will become more widely apparent.

The analyses on which opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen has based these radical changes — negative gearing has been a feature of the tax code since 1917, for instance — are thin and inadequate.

It will be up to Bill Shorten, to explain why Labor so dislikes the middle class. For the Coalition, it’s an opportunity to point out the potential financial damage that a future Labor government could inflict on middle-income earners and the economy.

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Reply #40 - May 1st, 2018 at 9:35pm
 
As details of Labor's not very well hidden plan to RESTART the BOATS leaks out it is a wonderful election winner for Malcolm as Australians do NOT want to see a return to the irresponsible anti-Australian behavior of the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd chaotic brothel that saw armadas of leaky boats crammed to the rafters with illegals illegally coming to Australia to go onto Welfare for life.



ALP boats policy a recipe for disaster, says Peter Dutton
PRIMROSE RIORDAN Political reporter Canberra The Australian8:31PM April 27, 2018

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Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton. Picture: AAP

Home Affairs Minister Peter ­Dutton has slammed draft Labor policy proposals released ahead of the party’s national conference as “a disastrous recipe for a return to the border chaos”.

The policy blueprint, circulated to ALP members before the July conference, suggests Labor would review the arrangements for the Home Affairs Department and move to shift asylum-seekers out of mandatory detention after 90 days.

Bill Shorten accused the government of “scaremongering” when asked about the platform yesterday.

“It may be in the interests of Peter Dutton and Malcolm Turnbull to convince the people-smugglers they can get back into business, but a Labor administration will make sure that they’re not back in business,” the Opposition Leader said.

But Mr Dutton said Labor’s stand was tantamount to planning to bring in “quick, streamlined processing of illegal arrivals” and their placement into the Australian community, which “neglects” national security. “In all, it is a disastrous recipe for a return to the border chaos of the recent past under Rudd and Gillard,” he said.

He said the document contained “mealy-mouthed” words on border control.

The platform says “unauthorised arrivals” or asylum-seekers will be subject to mandatory ­detention for health, identity and security checks, but “Labor will strive to ensure this is for no longer than 90 days”.


Mr Shorten did not directly disagree with this stand and simply said there were concerns about keeping people in indefinite ­detention.

“It’s one thing to stop the boats, but it’s another thing to keep ­people in indefinite detention. So we will actively support regional resettlement,” he said.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull created the Home ­Affairs ­Department last year to combine immigration with intelligence and customs agencies in order to have less crossover of government ­intelligence collection.

Mr Shorten appeared to back a proposal to review the Home ­Affairs arrangements as laid out in Labor’s platform.

“We will take the best advice of our security agencies to make sure that what’s happening is that our borders are secure and that the functions of the department are being carried out to the best taxpayer value and to the best objectives of the parliament,’’ he said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/alp-boats-policy-a-recipe-for-...


Pulse 3 DAYS AGO
After 90 days. Bill will allow Mon Manis and others into the community.

Phil 4 DAYS AGO
Bill Shorten is channelling UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres remembering as UN High Commissioner for refugees he is the architect of the open borders policy thrust on Western nations which has resulted in the large influx of immigrants from Islamic regimes despite the evidence that open border policy facilitated transnational jihadism and the murder of Western innocents.The UNHCR’s edicts which are also channelled by Labor, the Greens and the ABC are clearly a fundamental threat to our border protection regime and emigration policies - the government should ditch any contact with this ‘progressive’ arm of the UN.

Motti 4 DAYS AGO
Secure the borders and stop any illegal migration. Most refugees are simply economic refugees, they simply want to improve their life style. We should only accept refugees that can contribute to our economy such as engineers, nurses and Drs. All should be able to speak English otherwise they can not come here. We have enough unemployed people of our own and will heve more in the future if we are not careful. For much less money we can invest in training every unemployed person without the need for any new migrants and especially those who claim they are refugees. I can talk from my own experience, I arrived in Australia exactly 31 years ago. My English was average, so as an engineer I found a good job that allowed me to progress and live well under the Australian system. My two boys grew up in Australia and reached high paying jobs just be cause they worked as hard as myself. Good luck Australia DO NOT DITHER!!!!

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Reply #41 - May 1st, 2018 at 9:36pm
 
And nothing quite like a few adoring COMMENTS praising Labor as the Messianic Savior of Australia.

Brian 4 DAYS AGO
The Unions are currently running TV and billboard ads that must be so stupid in the eyes of anybody with some common sense. In one case a woman is moaning because the bosses are getting rich and she is getting poorer - it is so unfair!!!! Perhaps she should have stayed at school a bit longer, perhaps she should have worked harder, perhaps she should have given her all to the company!! That new female union boss should also go back to school and learn about economics so she understands how capitalism works and the benefits of capitalism to everybody. She should also learn how socialism/communist brings poverty, misery and pain to everybody.

Kevin 4 DAYS AGO
Is this The Labor Party or the Destruction of Australia Lunatic Party. Are Shorten & his Union masters actually trying to ensure Turnbull wins the next election?

David 4 DAYS AGO
Turnbull was doing his best to ensure Shorten will be elected, but now Shorten is returning the favour. Tweedlle dee and Tweedle dum they are. Who can save Australia from both of them?

Ron 4 DAYS AGO
If we secure our borders and do off shore vetting bring into our country those whom we want whether refugee or immigrant then the 90 day mallarky is just not wanted or needed. Secure our borders and we will not need off shore detention or processing places for ilegal immigration.

Robert 4 DAYS AGO
Hey don’t slam it too hard until,the election. Labor playing with border protection is a gift for the Government.

Brian 4 DAYS AGO
@Robert We have so many voters in our country now that arrived, courtesy of Rudd/Gillard. that they will probably vote for no border security.

Helen 4 DAYS AGO
What ever we do Labor must NEVER gain government at the next election!
Peter Dutton for PM now!

Walter 4 DAYS AGO
The ALP is actively involved in people smuggling. Because they adopt policy that encourage and promote the business model used by smugglers and their willing clients. Shame on you Labor for dealing in human trafficking, misery and death.

Andrew 4 DAYS AGO
just cut immigration drastically and you will win government again and the ALP won't be an issue. the LNP should listen to it's base rather than property developers and the finance industry donors

Brian 4 DAYS AGO
@Andrew So true - "Listen to the people" and their cry for a cut in immigration or even better cut all immigration for 10 years so infrastructure can catch up.

Bruce 4 DAYS AGO
Shorten still doesn't get it. If you stop the boats you don't have detention centers for illegals to be be kept under Labor for only up to 90 days.

John 4 DAYS AGO
Mealy mouthed Policy platitudes are only designed to hide the truth until after the election Bill. Please keep telling yourself this will fool all Australians into voting for the Green/Left.

Alastair 4 DAYS AGO
Shortman wants to let people in who cannot vote but expect voters go for the bill while these people get housing, go in the perpetual government handouts, accommodation and are not expected to respect our values. Yep sounds like a Shortman approach! "What's in it for him!" Surely the Labor Party can do better than him as a leader - prepared to let the most left wing unions dictate the rules and this is a man who has never been a worker!!!

Rodger C. 4 DAYS AGO
The Libs need to harass Labor about border control policy until Labor has to set out definite measures to prevent their new system being rorted. There needs to be so much attention given to the issue before the election that the arrival of a smuggler's boat, or the arrival of a 90 day detainee in Australia under a Labor government has the potential to be a supreme embarrassment. Perhaps that might put some backbone into Labor as they watch their approval ratings dive.

John 4 DAYS AGO
Well, perhaps the Labor Left will cause Bill Shorten to lose the "Unlosable Election"!

Geoff 4 DAYS AGO
@John You never know, it just might be ...

Denis 4 DAYS AGO
If any issue should remind voters that opening the borders is only hair brained moment away it is underlying ALP belief that the current policy is cruel and unfair. Far too big an issue to trust to the bleeding hearts who determine our future.

Ross 4 DAYS AGO
Labor-greens, labor-greens - I can't tell the difference 🤔

James 4 DAYS AGO
@Ross LABOR not labour.

Reta 4 DAYS AGO
Sadly, this is the best Bill Shorten can do which appears to be caused by a learning difficulty.

Andre 4 DAYS AGO
You don’t need a crystal ball to see the future under Labor. More terrorism, more bollards, more security personnel, more public fear in crowded places. The question is: why do we feel obliged to take in more refugees, when we have already played a big part, and when most of the world, including many Muslim countries refuse to do so. This is the question that needs to be hammered home to those in power.
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Australia will be one big Victoria, crime out of control and union in charge of everything from the police force up in the very unlikely event the Labor Greenies get in.



CFMMEU amassing $11m political war chest to fund Labor
by Matthew Stevens  David Marin-Guzman May 6 2018 at 11:45 PM Updated May 6 2018 at 11:45 PM

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The CFMMEU's new levy is intended for donations to Labor candidates and to fund "strategic contributions to ALP campaigns". Amy Remeikis

The Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union is levying its members to fund Labor candidates and political campaigns ahead of the next federal election, promising to raise up to $11 million over the next few months.

The new levy, endorsed in March at a CFMMEU meeting attended by Labor employment spokesman Brendan O'Connor, equates to a rate of $77 for every member and is expected to be used to fund a push to scrap the building industry watchdog and expand the right to strike.

According to minutes from the meeting, the money would cover "donations to local candidates (in key electorates)", "strategic contributions to ALP campaigns", as well as ACTU campaigns and the CFMMEU's "own campaigning capacity".

The CFMMEU has long been a substantial donor to the ALP and in 2015 amassed $10 million to fight the Turnbull government after applying a $10 a week levy on members over two years.

The latest round of funding comes as ACTU secretary Sally McManus has promised the biggest election campaign since Work Choices in 2007 and is pushing an ambitious set of workplace reforms, including powers to bargain and strike at an industry level.


The meeting's minutes say the CFMMEU national executive, headed by Mr O'Connor's brother, Michael O'Connor, proposed the levy to "cover all areas of CFMMEU expenditure (and includes federal and to a lesser extent state elections)".

For the mining and energy division, the levy will equate to $1.5 million based on its 19,500 members. The money will be raised by diverting payments intended for the national assistance fund to a "special campaign fund" from April 1 to August 31 and through a $3 a week levy on other members over six months.

Applied across the CFMMEU's estimated 144,000 members, including the recently merged maritime union, the levy would raise more than $11 million.

Labor to expand 'allowable matters'
CFMMEU construction division secretary Dave Noonan told the council that "the union needs to ensure that it puts all efforts into removing the government and fixing the broken system that includes the Australian Building and Construction Commission and the Registered Organisations Commission".

CFMMEU national secretary Michael O'Connor said the ACTU campaign was important not only to change the government "but to fix the problem of the broader community not knowing what unions do, or having a completely negative view of them".

He also warned that the Adani mine was "distracting from bigger issues and could potentially affect the Labor party adversely, as they are indecisive on the topic".

Brendan O'Connor told the conference that "the ALP will look to abolish the ABCC and ROC if they are elected".

He promised to tighten definitions and raise penalties in relation to sham contracting and labour hire and to outlaw the unilateral termination of agreements and the imposition of agreements where employees haven't voted on them.

He said the Fair Work Act was "too limited" on what matters unions were allowed to negotiate in agreements "and this needs to be addressed". "Improvements to arbitration and the Fair Work Commission are also key matters which the ALP wish to address," the minutes said.

CFMMEU Victorian secretary John Setka has previously said he wanted Labor leader Bill Shorten to restore workers' right to strike if elected and to "overhaul" the Fair Work Commission.

The CFMMEU funding comes as the ACTU is planning on lifting its affiliation fees for unions by 2 per cent a year, which would allow it to accumulate more than $9 million annually.

Rather than the ACTU imposing a campaigning levy, it is understood individual unions can choose to make their own donations to the peak body's campaign.

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/cfmmeu-amassing-11m-politica...

Eleanor Evans- The CFMMEU are all the same as the rest of us, if you are not muslim you are an infidel and its still chop chop to them as well, they are so macho the first sign of danger and you wont see them for dust, all ok in a group just like the gangs

Brian Clayson- And what if member is not labor orientated. Can he /she have it given to their choices. Of course not rob the members to support labor. Another reason why I was not a union member.

John Lester- So the CFMMEU's 144,000 unionists are going to "Buy" the next Labor government into office, I wonder what they will want in return, a communist revolution with dictator Bill in charge,?

Barry Button- tell me one good thing the cfmeu has done besides raising our wages to the point that business have gone broke or gone overseas.when they declare strike action THEY STILL GET PAID and the workers don't.
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Reply #43 - May 8th, 2018 at 11:58am
 
Its time wrote on Apr 24th, 2018 at 7:32pm:
• Scrap the Australian Building and Construction Commission

• Revive the powers of the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal

• Abolish the Registered Organisations Commission

• Higher penalties on employers for deliberate underpayment of wages

• New definition of casual employment

• Greater capacity or Fair Work Commission to arbitrate long-­running “intractable” disputes

• Scrap the ability of companies to terminate enterprise agreements

• Reduce employer capacity to lock out workers for lengthy periods

• Potentially require the commission to give greater weight to the needs of low-paid workers when determining minimum wage ­increases

• Overhaul low-paid bargaining laws to allow claims on multiple ­employers

• Penalty rate cuts by the commission to be reversed

• Workers to receive 10 days paid domestic violence leave annually


Well done Bill 



Casual employment is a problem.

However, an even bigger problem is the amount of employers out there who treat their permanent staff like casuals.

i.e they reduce their hours whenever they feel like it, and send people home before their shift finishes (without pay).

The level of exploitation and wage theft out there at the moment is quite alarming.

Labor are the workers' only chance of getting a fair go.



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Reply #44 - May 8th, 2018 at 12:12pm
 
Gecko is making a mistake trying to sound intelligent by parroting the rtard Polly Waffle who is just parroting a part of what I posted.


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The evil that is the union controlled labor Party who wants to steal your money.

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Reply #45 - May 8th, 2018 at 12:15pm
 
juliar wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Gecko is making a mistake trying to sound intelligent by parroting the rtard Polly Waffle who is just parroting a part of what I posted.


https://s7.postimg.cc/pq6vi8raj/29694670_1101847476624499_2469319425710297986_n_...
The evil that is the union controlled labor Party who wants to steal your money.



You don't have a problem with employers treating permanent staff like casuals?

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juliar wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:35pm:
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Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton. Picture: AAP



Did you really post a picture of the ever useless Potato head and expect nobody to laugh at you ???
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Reply #47 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:31pm
 
The Lefties are really rummaging thru the bottom of the bird cage as they try to find anything good about their hopeless union thugs controlled Labor Party.

But what you would get if you voted for the union thugs controlled Labor Party ?

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A return to the INDUSTRIAL ANARCHY of the 70s with businesses closing down left right and center as the unions make them become too expensive to run!!!!


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Dnarever wrote on May 8th, 2018 at 9:03pm:
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juliar wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 9:35pm:
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Australian Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton. Picture: AAP



Did you really post a picture of the ever useless Potato head and expect nobody to laugh at you ???


Photo or no photo, we always laugh at juliar (the Liberal stooge who can't answer simple questions).

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Reply #49 - May 9th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
Go away gecko.

Now back to the FACTS which are anathema to the lying denying Lefties.

Now a look at the industrial anarchy which will be a daily occurence if the union thugs controlled Labor Party and the Greenies ever get in - then God help Australia!!!



Massive union rally blocks Melbourne CBD
11:25am May 9, 2018

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Massive union rally blocks Melbourne CBD. Thousands of workers have blocked off part of Melbourne's CBD. (AAP)

Thousands of workers have blocked off part of Melbourne's CBD, saying Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull can keep the federal coalition's slated tax cuts for low- and middle-income workers.

The rally is part of a nationwide campaign demanding better work conditions and pay.

The march follows the Turnbull government's announced tax offset of up to $530 for low- and middle-income workers, as part of the 2018-19 budget, as the coalition gears up for a federal election.

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The rally is part of a nationwide campaign demanding better work conditions and pay.

But Victorian Trades Hall Council secretary Luke Hilakari labelled the tax cuts "crumbs" thrown to workers.

"The $10 tax (a week) relief for poor and working people is just not good enough. They can keep that $10," he told reporters.

"What we actually want is a large pay rise. We don't want a tax cut."

Expected crowd of 50,000 union members have shutdown Melbourne CBD for “Change the Rules” rally


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Bureau of Meteorology employee Cameron Henderson said he was marching because bureau employees were "starving" for a fair pay deal.

"We haven't had a pay rise in nearly five years. Over that time, CPI's gone up 10 per cent and we're being offered a deal that would see us remain at 10 per cent CPI until the end of 2021," Mr Henderson told AAP.

Tens of thousands of workers were marching to Flinders Street Station as the 12-day "Change the Rules" campaign came to a close, Australian Council of Trade Unions secretary Sally McManus said.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/05/09/11/14/victorian-workers-march-for-b...
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Reply #50 - May 9th, 2018 at 2:57pm
 
IN FACT, Politicians (almost all) are & have been closing down the Local (Australian) & Global Economy, for quite some time, BY VIRTUE (or lack of it) OF THEIR LACK OF PROPER ACTION, IN NOT ADDRESSING THE 3 PRIMARY ECONOMIC DRIVERS -
1) Population - Slowing Growth & Aging.
2) Energy - Supply & Pricing.
3) Climate Change - Likely to further Adversely affect our capacity, for an increasing Population.
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