http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/gay-referee-nigel-owens-issues-sobering-warni...

We speak to God in the halls of parliament and they change the law to gay marriage based on a non-binding postal survey: that is very very very strange stuff !

The rugby were very careful to make sure they won't the first fascists to curtail the idea of free speech but yet when the postal survey was on the NO vote weren't allwed to say anything and that, as we both know, is a pure fact!

THE HYPOCRISY IS WRIT LARGE IN THIS VERY CASE!

 

Is Israel Folau a Muslim?

Jez axing.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 18^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:


It isn't Falou - he is just quoting the scriptures that all Christians supposedly believe.

Freedom of religion means that he is entitled to have this belief irrespective of how silly the rest of us think it is.

Auggie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2018 at 8:51pm:


Yes they should remain silent just like most were when Anthony Mundine said gays should be executed, where was the outrage over Mundines comments?

The left wing have truly lost the plot, A Black Christian, posts that his faith says that homosexuality is a sin that results in the sinner going to hell.

Hardly a newsflash, that one has been out in book form for over three thousand years I think.

The shamelessly brazen double standards on display is simply breathtaking.

If it had been some Ali OopsInearlytoldthetruthaheed, they would have been falling over themselves to provide excuses and justifications for why he would say such a thing, but much more importantly, how crucial it is for our social cohesion to have the rest of us, respect his cultural and religious right to express such deeply held principles, in our free and fair society.

When Christopher Hitchens asked Waleed Aly to share his beliefs on homosexuality as a modern, progressive muslim man, how he responded was very enlightening, because firstly when he refused to say what he believed, and then later when he'd composed a suitable obfuscation he was happy with.

I was disgusted to see him blatantly lie about what Islam is, with his saying something along the lines of, Islam is not about rules, but rather it is an ongoing conversation.

I have had ZERO respect for him since that night, and keenly point out if he is the best and brightest of the modern, progressive muslim, then I want nothing to do with them.

They do not say what they mean, and they do not mean what they say, unless emboldened to let down their guard whilst amidst a hate spewing mob.

Not even an issue - he is entitled to his opinion - and others are entitled to theirs, and I see no argument here.

Adios, Muchachos...

TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 18^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:


While i think gay marriage is a good thing so "spouses" can get their rights, i do think that some other force has caused our government to allow it. Perhaps the UN putting on the pressure? I dont know but it came out of left field when it came.

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Israel Folau is only saying what a lot of people really think

He is entitled to his opinion and is entitled to speak freely

If that doesn't correspond with the 'politically correct version' out there..'Tough Titties'

Yes, well he is getting that isn't he Aussie

The point is he is entitled to speak freely, last time I checked  this is a Democracy

red baron wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:


It is, even though our Politicians are acting less democratically than ever....look at the history of the Banking Royal Commission, for example.

Folau is pissed that people have not agreed with his crap, condemned his crap, and the Union people have rushed to support him for their own selfish reasons.  The guy is a God bothering gibberer, and there is no reason why anyone ought take a flea schit's notice of what he says on any issue other than Sport.

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:


Yes, and in her case the adverse reaction is 'bigotted bile.'

(See the Thread in Relationships for more detail on that.)

Everything is an opinion

I fall into line with Voltare's idea of free speech

red baron wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:


Except it was not his original idea.

It is not just my point of view.  See the Thread for relevant proof of that.

red baron wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 3:56pm:


Was not his idea or phrase.

It doesn't matter a tinker's dam who originally said it. It is a powerful idea that has stood the test of time when one refers to freedom of speech

And I support it totally

What I don't support is generations of Politicians and Lawyers f......g around with Laws that interfere with the basic premise of Freedom of Speech

It is not a Statute it is an idea, a Principle

I knew immediately Aussie would be rushing to the Law Books for all sorts of reasons why we shouldn't have freedom of speech..NO NEED really is there?

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You blithely say that as though it is protected in Australia.  It is not.

"Freedom of speech" does not mean "Say/post (even at OzPol) whatever you like."

Especially in Australia.

Contrare Aussie. I did not not say that Freedom of Speech is protected in Australia

Disgustingly IT IS NOT...WHY?????

In the last Labor Government Stephen Conroy Labor Communications Minister came hair raisingly close to bringing in a Star Chamber to vet comments on sites such as this

In reality he wanted to Censor Free Speech. Thankfully that dirty little in grate got booted out when L:abor lost the Election

We came perilously close to something akin to Nazis Germany, I sh.t you not

Whilst things have become routine we are pathetic in not demanding that Freedom of Speech be part of our Constitution

So

Freedom of speech is restricted to the 3% of the vocal minority

The 97% of normal humans are not allowed to voice their opinions in any way.

I see......

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If only any of that were true, you'd get your rocks off. 

It would be handy to have a more codified freedom of speech to protect people like Gerald Fredrick Töben.

Aussie wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 8:44pm:


Are you saying the massive media reaction is crap?

Do you count as a member of the public Aussie?

He was jailed for denying the holocaust. You invented some tortured mental gymnastics to say he was jailed for whatever the title of the charge was, which meant you could not bring yourself to say what it was he actually did. Everyone told you you were wrong, because you were wrong. You forgot that bit.

Toben is a perfect example of Voltaire's philosophy.

freediver wrote on Apr 19^th, 2018 at 9:02pm:


Denying the holocaust is speech. Free speech has been eroded already and its a slippery slope

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