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Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm
 
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
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At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

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Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]


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Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:46pm
 
Yeah
But bwyannnnnnnn is an apologist, sychophant, sympathizer, traitor to Australia and the human race.

Of course he will delete, adjust, modify, and otherwise twist anything in an attempt to make this sick vile CULT appear less sick and vile than it is.

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The devil's spawn put on Earth to propogate evil and the devil's word.
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Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 6:11pm
 
Religion of peace, innit?  And will rule the world in peace when there are no more Infidels...
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Reply #3 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 6:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:

So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie.



Brian is simply expressing an opinion, FD.

Brian is simply expressing,         that when moslems declare that they have every intention of killing people who offend their 'faith',
it is OK,
with Brian.


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FD,

I'm sure that the British government would call your criticism of Brian's views as bordering on 'incitement to violence'.

After all, Brian was merely defending the right of the moslem, to practice his religion, in the way in which the moslem chooses to do so.

You bigot, FD!


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By Jacob on Apr 13, 2018 01:25 pm

Do you utter “hate speech”?


If you do, you’ll probably be like Mark Zuckerberg, who couldn’t quite define what it is, but stands by the principle that he hates “hate speech” nonetheless.

At his hearing, it was agreed that incitement to violence        is hate speech, but even here I would disagree.

Incitement to violence is incitement to violence.

Antifa uses Facebook and Twitter to list names and places of violent protests.

They tell their members what sort of weapons to bring and how best to conceal their identities.



If incitement to violence is hate speech, then why is this allowed?




Next, mention was made of human trafficking as an example of things that social media companies could and should be clamping down on as being hate speech.

Again,        this isn’t hate speech,        it’s the selling and purchasing of human bodies.

It’s not hate speech.

Zuckerberg stumbled and sweated, and the best he could proclaim was that he felt it was his duty to create spaces where people felt safe (without realizing that everything is relative and no one feels the same degrees of safety in any one environment or by hearing the exact same words spoken). .....

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/do-you-utter-hate-speech


QUESTION;
If a person informs me claims that, the words which i have just spoken, offends their sensibilities.....
.....have i committed a 'hate speech' crime ???

i.e.
By expressing myself, within their range of hearing [or on an online forum] ?

Well apparently, according to many 'liberal' minds, i have!!!



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Meanwhile, the British state still doesn't seem to know how to deal with

this completely lawful behaviour, on the part of the followers of ISLAM living in the UK.

[n.b. the followers of ISLAM, in the UK, are being taught, BY THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS LEADERS, that this behaviour, IS COMPLETELY LAWFUL, TO MOSLEMS]....


Quote:

By Robert Spencer on
Apr 13, 2018


UK: Muslim abducted 12-year-old girl to be repeatedly gang-raped by “pack of ravenous wolves”




Why does this keep happening?




One survivor of a Muslim rape gang in the UK said that her rapists would quote Quran to her,

and believed their actions justified by Islam.

Sexual assault occurs in all cultures, but only in Islam does it have divine sanction.

The Qur’an teaches that Infidel women can be lawfully taken for sexual use (cf. its allowance for a man to take “captives of the right hand,” 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:30)......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/uk-muslim-abducted-12-year-old-girl-to-be-rep...

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Reply #5 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:08pm
 
Brian would you be happy to see Rushdie's head on the chopping block, so long as the paperwork was all in order?
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Reply #6 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:17pm
 
Brian thinks calling for someones murder is an opinion.
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Reply #7 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
Brian thinks calling for someones murder is an opinion.


Bwyannnnnnnn not has no capacity to THINK

That requires a basic level of intelligence

Which he has never, in any thread, demonstrated

All he does is tsk, tsk
Post the same tired old pro muzzo retort
And prove to us that he is a dunderheaded muzzo apologist
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Reply #8 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:40pm
 
Bwian has no pwoblem for Muslims calling to kill the infidel - free speech.

But should anyone merely question the benefits of Islam - ISLAMOPHOBIA!!!! PERSECUTION!!!!! INCITEMENT!!!!! EYEROLLING!!!!

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Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:41pm
 
Brian thinks he is so much cleverer than everyone else that he doesn't even have to engage his brain.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 11:53pm:
I really do feel sorry for them, Brian. I wonder why they bother.

Such a bore.


Yes, he, like all the Islamophobes are boring, Karnal.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I know. They just put me to sleep, Brian. Why do you think they bother?

Yawn.


I have no idea.  They are wasting their time.  I am on automatic when I answer them.  If they actually produced an argument worth answering, I would.   Roll Eyes


Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
Funny, a lot of other Australians hold similar opinions to mine.  Surely we all cannot be simply "making up" our opinions?   Tsk, tsk, it appears to me that only person "making up" their opinions is you.  Mine are based on several thousand years of philosophy and thinking, what are yours based on, except your prejudice and hatred?    Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:47pm
 
Geoffrey Robertson the great human right barrister was on Conversations with Richard Fidler the other day and he mentioned the Hypothetical where Cat Stevens called for Rushdie's death.

He said something to the effect that although later Stevens claimed it was a joke, there was no doubt in his mind it was totally serious.

Stevens should have been arrested while the cameras were still rolling.
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Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?
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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:56pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
Brian thinks calling for someones murder is an opinion.


So does FD - if they're tinted.
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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.
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Reply #14 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host to be executed?


Ban them?
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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host to be executed?


Ban them?


Matty and the old boy said ban them. Gordon said sack them. Homo said execute them. FD agreed with all these posters.
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Reply #16 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:05pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


Said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?

With your grasp of logic you shouldn't even be allowed to drive a turdmobile.
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Reply #17 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:30pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:47pm:
Geoffrey Robertson the great human right barrister was on Conversations with Richard Fidler the other day and he mentioned the Hypothetical where Cat Stevens called for Rushdie's death.

He said something to the effect that although later Stevens claimed it was a joke, there was no doubt in his mind it was totally serious.

Stevens should have been arrested while the cameras were still rolling.


Of course Stevens was serious, but he was simply saying yes Master to his mindless Ayotollah.

What's the charge? And what's the penalty?

Oh, I know:

Kill them.
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Reply #18 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm
 
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?
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Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.
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Reply #20 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:46pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


Yeah a internationally known household name reaching an audience of millions has the same effect as 5 people reading it here.

What effect did it have on Rushdie? Care to say?
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Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


So....why would Mr Stevens need arresting then?  Has Mr Rushdie been slaughtered?

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Reply #22 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:49pm
 
Aussie supporting death threats.
He also supports strawberry pickers.

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Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


So....why would Mr Stevens need arresting then?  Has Mr Rushdie been slaughtered?

So many questions.


Well, it is hate speech. It could breech broadcasting standards AKA Alan Jones (not that they mean anything).

Mind you, when Alan incited slaughter there was an actual slaughter.

Salman Rushdie just had to live like a prisoner for a couple of decades. The Muselman certainly did take away his freedom. You know, like FD says they do to decent white people everywhere.

Rushdie's just a Paki, isn't he? I don't know if it counts if they're tinted.

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Reply #24 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:58pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


Yeah a internationally known household name reaching an audience of millions has the same effect as 5 people reading it here.

What effect did it have on Rushdie? Care to say?


Not a very nice one, Gordon. I don't think Cat Stevens is very proud of it either. He says he was just having a chuckle.

You know, the way you and Matty and Homo excuse your porkies and mishtakes when you're caught out.
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Well, 'we' could, but he seems not interested in questions unless he is asking them.  On this very Forum, we have people who wish death on Muslims, even one who urges the killing of every Muslim man, woman and child.....not a murmur........ let alone a call for an arrest ~ yet some person who can sing who urges death on a non Muslim guy is somehow grabbing the attention of the Members here.

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Reply #26 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:00pm
 
There's no way a muslim would actually kill someone for insulting their religion.  None at allm..neva

You two are a farkkng disgrace.

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Reply #27 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Well, 'we' could, but he seems not interested in questions unless he is asking them.  On this very Forum, we have people who wish death on Muslims, even one who urges the killing of every Muslim man, woman and child.....not a murmur........ let alone a call for an arrest ~ yet some person who can sing who urges death on a non Muslim guy is somehow grabbing the attention of the Members here.

Confusing, I know.


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Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
There's no way a muslim would actually kill someone for insulting their religion.  None at allm..neva

You two are a farkkng disgrace.

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Reply #29 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:05pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


Yeah a internationally known household name reaching an audience of millions has the same effect as 5 people reading it here.

What effect did it have on Rushdie? Care to say?


Not a very nice one, Gordon. I don't think Cat Stevens is very proud of it either. He says he was just having a chuckle.

You know, the way you and Matty and Homo excuse your porkies and mishtakes when you're caught out.


Yeah, there was a big gap between the first time he saidnit until he appeared on Hupothellticals.
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Reply #30 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:00pm:
Well, 'we' could, but he seems not interested in questions unless he is asking them.  On this very Forum, we have people who wish death on Muslims, even one who urges the killing of every Muslim man, woman and child.....not a murmur........ let alone a call for an arrest ~ yet some person who can sing who urges death on a non Muslim guy is somehow grabbing the attention of the Members here.

Confusing, I know.


It's confusing, Aussie, but it all makes sense once you understand Effende's platform of sustainability.

The tinted races, you see, pollute our country with all their nonsense and must be curbed at all costs. The Musel ones are the worst, so we have to cull them first. Advocating for this policy is our democratic right, if not our calling. After all, we're protecting the freedom of decent white people everywhere.

It's Homo's democratic right to tell us to kill that hideous Yassmin woman. As Effende says, she deserves everything she gets. After all, she's a tinted Muslim and she said we should remember people in refugee camps. Of course people want to rape and kill her.

Cat Stevens, on the other hand, is a devious traitor. He turned his back on decent white people everywhere when he became a bearded Muslim numptie. Defending him is no more than spineless apologism. Defending Homo, Herbie, Matty, the old boy, Sprint and Gordon is about fighting for the rights of the superior white man. Do you see?

Sustainability, innit. Freeeedom. Effende has every right not to answer questions, but do you know?

He doesn't really have to. We know exactly what he means without him saying a thing.
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Reply #31 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
Karnal for the sake of argument,  let's pretend Cat was naive and just parroting islamic rules.

What does that say about the mosque he attended where no doubt he would have discussed the matter?

What does it say about the obedience to Islam that makes a seemingly sensitive and intelligent man like him say such a thing?



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Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


So....why would Mr Stevens need arresting then?  Has Mr Rushdie been slaughtered?

So many questions.


Just Muslims joking around eh Aussie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie#Failed_assassination_attempt_and_He
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A bounty was offered for Rushdie's death, and he was thus forced to live under police protection for several years. On 7 March 1989, the United Kingdom and Iran broke diplomatic relations over the Rushdie controversy.

The publication of the book and the fatwā sparked violence around the world, with bookstores firebombed. Muslim communities in several nations in the West held public rallies, burning copies of the book. Several people associated with translating or publishing the book were attacked, seriously injured, and even killed.

Many more people died in riots in some countries.

On 3 August 1989, while Mustafa Mahmoud Mazeh was priming a book bomb loaded with RDX explosive in a hotel in Paddington, Central London, the bomb exploded prematurely, destroying two floors of the hotel and killing Mazeh. A previously unknown Lebanese group, the Organization of the Mujahidin of Islam, said he died preparing an attack "on the apostate Rushdie".
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Reply #33 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:34pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Karnal for the sake of argument,  let's pretend Cat was naive and just parroting islamic rules.

What does that say about the mosque he attended where no doubt he would have discussed the matter?

What does it say about the obedience to Islam that makes a seemingly sensitive and intelligent man like him say such a thing?





Indeed - I've always wondered why The Cat seemed to develop such a serious chasm in his soul that he needed to convert to Islam.... with all of its obvious discrepancies and its fixed constellations of belief which are in direct opposition to the mechanisms of the Universe.... which he seemed, in his works, to border on in many ways....

Perhaps staring into the open fires of the stars naked was too much for his tender soul, so he sought refuge in a (wait one - edit) the shallow grave of a shallow belief system in which he could turn the earth over himself and thus not suffer the blaze of Infinity by covering his eyes to its Truth ... like Icarus, he seems to have risen to a dizzying height only to fall to Earth and be devoured by base soil....

Man - I turn a good phrase at times... I like these ones.... that's just my soul touching heaven there...... same as Cat in some ways... except he let go of the controls and fell to earth like David Bowie in that movie.....

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Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:05pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 8:37pm:
Karnal, on the matter of arrest, does it matter whether it is said by a household name on national  tv or a nobody on an obscure message board?  Does it mean that nobodies can incite slaughter and get away with it?

I am curious?


Oh, I'd say inciting slaughter is only inciting slaughter if there's a slaughter.

But that's just me.


Yeah a internationally known household name reaching an audience of millions has the same effect as 5 people reading it here.

What effect did it have on Rushdie? Care to say?


Not a very nice one, Gordon. I don't think Cat Stevens is very proud of it either. He says he was just having a chuckle.

You know, the way you and Matty and Homo excuse your porkies and mishtakes when you're caught out.


Yeah, there was a big gap between the first time he saidnit until he appeared on Hupothellticals.


It's the biggest stain on Stevens' name. It makes him look like a completely brainwashed fool, which of course he was.

He's coming out of that now, but it's interesting to hear his rationale for it. He says he needed to be a fundamentalist for a period of time - he doesn't dismiss fundamentalism itself.

He clearly regrets his support for the Rushdie fatwa.
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Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Karnal for the sake of argument,  let's pretend Cat was naive and just parroting islamic rules.

What does that say about the mosque he attended where no doubt he would have discussed the matter?

What does it say about the obedience to Islam that makes a seemingly sensitive and intelligent man like him say such a thing?



It says a lot. I can't stand that brainwashed authoritarianism, let's call it what it is.

But let's also try to understand it. Cat Stevens is also a bright and intelligent guy.
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I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?
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Just Muslims joking around eh Aussie?


I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?


Outrage? Effende's never said what he thinks about that.

But we know.
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I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?


That's outrageous.

Happy now?
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Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Karnal for the sake of argument,  let's pretend Cat was naive and just parroting islamic rules.

What does that say about the mosque he attended where no doubt he would have discussed the matter?

What does it say about the obedience to Islam that makes a seemingly sensitive and intelligent man like him say such a thing?



It says a lot. I can't stand that brainwashed authoritarianism, let's call it what it is.

But let's also try to understand it. Cat Stevens is also a bright and intelligent guy.


If islam can have that effect on Stevens it's no surprise there are so many violent islamic crazies.

Islam is dangerous.
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Just Muslims joking around eh Aussie?


I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?


That's outrageous.

Happy now?


Strange. You've never told Gordon or Homo or Herbie or old boy or Sprint that (since 2007).

You ignored the outrageousness and asked Mothra if prawns feel pain and JS what sound a jellyfish makes and Gandalf why he calls Jews a mindless collective.

Once you get the answer to that, I guess, you can go back to being the 2007 FD again.
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Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
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Just Muslims joking around eh Aussie?


I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?


That's outrageous.

Happy now?


Strange. You've never told Gordon or Homo or Herbie or old boy or Sprint that (since 2007).

You ignored the outrageousness and asked Mothra if prawns feel pain and JS what sound a jellyfish makes and Gandalf why he calls Jews a mindless collective.

Once you get the answer to that, I guess, you can go back to being the 2007 FD again.


That's not a question Karnal.
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Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Karnal for the sake of argument,  let's pretend Cat was naive and just parroting islamic rules.

What does that say about the mosque he attended where no doubt he would have discussed the matter?

What does it say about the obedience to Islam that makes a seemingly sensitive and intelligent man like him say such a thing?



It says a lot. I can't stand that brainwashed authoritarianism, let's call it what it is.

But let's also try to understand it. Cat Stevens is also a bright and intelligent guy.


If islam can have that effect on Stevens it's no surprise there are so many violent islamic crazies.

Islam is dangerous.


I look at it differently. Islam did not turn Stevens into a violent and crazy guy. It turned him into a non-thinking, compliant guy.

He hasn't come out of Islam like a cult victim, railing and rallying against it. Instead, he's kept his faith and moderated his views.
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freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
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Just Muslims joking around eh Aussie?


I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?


That's outrageous.

Happy now?


Strange. You've never told Gordon or Homo or Herbie or old boy or Sprint that (since 2007).

You ignored the outrageousness and asked Mothra if prawns feel pain and JS what sound a jellyfish makes and Gandalf why he calls Jews a mindless collective.

Once you get the answer to that, I guess, you can go back to being the 2007 FD again.


That's not a question Karnal.


Sometimes a statement is just a statement.

Would you like a question?
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I already have plenty, thanks Karnal.
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Just Muslims joking around eh Aussie?


I don't think so.  Seemed very real to me.  No less than a call made here that every Muslim man woman and child ought be killed.

Where is your outrage about that Effendi?


That's outrageous.

Happy now?


Gee!  That statement was made here some years ago, it has been in my signature ever since.....what took you so long Effendi?  Was it just that some questions were not asked of you?
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Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Karnal for the sake of argument,  let's pretend Cat was naive and just parroting islamic rules.

What does that say about the mosque he attended where no doubt he would have discussed the matter?

What does it say about the obedience to Islam that makes a seemingly sensitive and intelligent man like him say such a thing?



It says a lot. I can't stand that brainwashed authoritarianism, let's call it what it is.

But let's also try to understand it. Cat Stevens is also a bright and intelligent guy.


If islam can have that effect on Stevens it's no surprise there are so many violent islamic crazies.

Islam is dangerous.


I look at it differently. Islam did not turn Stevens into a violent and crazy guy. It turned him into a non-thinking, compliant guy.

He hasn't come out of Islam like a cult victim, railing and rallying against it. Instead, he's kept his faith and moderated his views.


Stockholm Syndrome....
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I already have plenty, thanks Karnal.


Yes, but that's the same question, FD. You just haven't answered it.
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LETS GET        BACK TO BASICS        PLEASE.

HOW DO WE DO THAT ?

LETS US JUST STOP,         ......AND LETS JUST IMAGINE.






Valkie sig line....
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.






No moslems, no moslem community,     in Australia.

Just imagine.





Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492126689/43#43
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Just imagine......

If there were no moslems, at all, resident in Australia,       then there would be no.....
Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad in NSW,
and corresponding police task forces in other jurisdictions, in Australia.

No Lindt Cafe deaths,
no 100's of moslem criminals sitting in Australian goals, who have been convicted of serious crime and terrorism charges [costing taxpayers how many 100's $ millions every year],
Curtis Cheng would still be alive,
and on,
and on,
and on.


For Australians, allowing moslems to live among us, has been an experience of, 'making a rod for our own back', as the proverb goes.





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Yadda said.....
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WHAT SHOULD AUSTRALIA DO ?

WHAT SHOULD AUSTRALIANS DO ?

HOW SHOULD AUSTRALIA 'CONFRONT' [AND PROTECT ITSELF FROM] THE 'OPPORTUNISTIC' AGGRESSION AND VIOLENCE, WHICH ISLAM INCULCATES INTO EVERY MOSLEM ?




In my opinion, all Australians should urge the Australian government, to,
1/ make ISLAM a proscribed [banned by law] group in Australia, and,
2/ all of ISLAM's cadres in Australia, need to be either detained or expelled from Australia.




In my opinion, we should seek to have our politicians bring forward legislation in our Australian parliament, to proscribe [ban] the membership of any ISLAMIC group - within Australia.

As a concession, any 'moslem' who is in Australia, and who is willing to publicly renounce ISLAM, should be permitted to remain in Australia.

BUT, if they are unwilling to renounce ISLAM, moslems can arrange to leave Australia, under their own steam, within 6 months.

And there should be serious penalties [e.g. decades in a remote desert goal, and/or subsequent expulsion from Australia], for every person who trespasses against such laws [those laws which declare ISLAM to be a proscribed group] and who remain, surreptitiously, members of an underground ISLAMIC group, within Australia.





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Yadda said....
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Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.



Moslems are not Australians.


By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.





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ALTERNATIVELY;


WE AUSTRALIANS CAN CONTINUE,          ...TO EMBRACE THE 'JOY' OF HOSTING A MOSLEM COMMUNITY,
HERE, IN AUSTRALIA.


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Watch the YT.....



Homegrown Terrorist has been collecting Welfare for over 19 years.
           3 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CSC4zTWW0





n.b.
In the first 30 secs of the YOUTUBE video,
witness the utter disrespect for our Australian legal process [of 'one law for all'], which is being demonstrated by the followers of ISLAM, living among us, here in Australia....

In that YOUTUBE video, watch a group of moslem thugs on the street outside an Australian court, beating journalists, and causing an affray.



QUESTION;
And why are those followers of ISLAM, who live here in Australia, behaving in that LAWLESS manner ?

ANSWER;
Because many, many followers of ISLAM, who live here in Australia, do harbour a deep hatred of Australia and harbour a deep hatred of Australians.


It can be argued by any reasonable person,        that many, many moslems, who are living in Australia today, are seeking to ultimately achieve a circumstance, 'on the ground', here in Australia,
where they, the followers of ISLAM, can come to a 'place' in time, where they can 'safely' intimidate and murder 'disbelieving' Australians.
....just as ISLAMIC law promotes and allows.

And any rational person would conclude that many, many followers of ISLAM, who are living in Australia today,
are persons who hold a malevolent intent in their hearts towards us
simply because we are not moslems.



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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.



They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.



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Cats in the Cradle: Worst Song Ever!


Here's a song about a whinging son who lacks attention from his daddy and how Daddy grows old to find he lacks attention from his now adult son.
This song sums up the USA Music generations for decades...

...of how 'sons' should just get over it, that Dad has to work to pay the bills and that 'Son' should EFFIN GO AND SEE GRANDPA if he wants to play some ball or other stuff.

Grandparents are for fun.
So kid. Get off your Dad's back and go visit Grandpa!

Cat Stevens got it so wrong with this song.
But hey, he did become a Moslem afterall - a religion that lacks understanding of 'getting old'.
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Rushdie is wanted dead by the Muzlim clerics who run Iran, and they are supported by the quasi-military thugs known as the Revolutionary Guard. THis hit will pay $4 million to anyone who kills Rushdie, but I would guess Iran would not pay, once it was completed. The trouble is, it is not just Rushdie they want to kill, it is all Infidels, especially Americans whom taken as a country, is in league with Devil.

They may hate Sunnis too, but they share this murderous intent with them, and Gandalf insists the USA treat Iran as if it were civilised. His logic, if we can call it that, is not just deeply flawed, it is a thinnly disguised agreement with Islam's superstition, violence and sadism.
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How can Islam demand the death of people for being in league with the devil?

Muhammad was the devil's son
Sent to earth to bring humans over to the evil side
Just look at what he has done

Murder of those who helped him
Sociopath in the extreme
Demanded death for every crime
Was a self confessed peodophile
Demanded that his followers kill everyone and commit suicide.

This is the son of the devil
And Islam is the CULT of the devil

Prove me otherwise
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Well I don't see any Non-Moslems here in Australia getting together to teach the Moslems a lesson, let alone giving them a taste of their own medicine?  Huh

That's because Australians are as weak as piss and take it up the rear.
Cronulla Riots was a good show, but buckled and broke by Pro-Moslem supporters: Police, Politicians & Media ...because its all about the 'money' right  Wink

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.JaSin. wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 3:56am:
Cats in the Cradle: Worst Song Ever!


Here's a song about a whinging son who lacks attention from his daddy and how Daddy grows old to find he lacks attention from his now adult son.
This song sums up the USA Music generations for decades...

...of how 'sons' should just get over it, that Dad has to work to pay the bills and that 'Son' should EFFIN GO AND SEE GRANDPA if he wants to play some ball or other stuff.

Grandparents are for fun.
So kid. Get off your Dad's back and go visit Grandpa!

Cat Stevens got it so wrong with this song.
But hey, he did become a Moslem afterall - a religion that lacks understanding of 'getting old'.



He didn't write it - Harry Chapin (RIP) did - he wrote Father and Son.... though Cat did a cover of it...
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BTW - I get on famously with my son who was taken away by his mother when he was four to 'further her career' - we are very like-minded and a pair of softies underneath and very generous to our own.  That first year when I brought him up seems to have stuck....
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Valkie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:20am:
How can Islam demand the death of people for being in league with the devil?

Muhammad was the devil's son
Sent to earth to bring humans over to the evil side
Just look at what he has done

Murder of those who helped him
Sociopath in the extreme
Demanded death for every crime
Was a self confessed peodophile
Demanded that his followers kill everyone and commit suicide.

This is the son of the devil
And Islam is the CULT of the devil

Prove me otherwise


Islam is a low grade self-centred non-Universe viewing in context rant from a deluded fool many centuries ago.  If it truly was the religion of peace etc, it would not pursue the extermination of those it creates into its own enemies, but would preach tolerance....

But if you are THE self-advertised 'Religion of Peace And the Most Feminist (etc)' I suppose you have no need to justify yourself to unbelievers.... they don't count anyway   Grin  Grin  Grin  Wink

Good Old Borderline Personality Cat seems to have grabbed hold of something to be slightly 'controversial' and thus retain 'relevance' while clinging to a life raft for his personality issues, that is full of holes..... as I said - after nearly touching the stars with his music, he fell to Earth and dug a hole for himself in the most blind religion on Earth, lest the light of the stars burn away his soul.....
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Well I don't see any Non-Moslems here in Australia getting together

to teach the Moslems a lesson,

let alone giving them a taste of their own medicine?  Huh

That's because Australians are as weak as piss and take it up the rear.

Cronulla Riots was a good show, but buckled and broke by Pro-Moslem supporters:





JaSin,

Your 'desired' expectations, from Australians ['to teach the Moslems a lesson'],
is both DUMB and ill-advised, imo.

Australians should not RE-ACT [to provocations by some moslems],
but they [Australians] should consider, and plan, how to address the problems which ISLAM [and the presence of its followers] present to us,
and we need to act within the law.

The exception, imo, is in a situation, if you are being attacked, or if your life is being put in danger, by anyone, then the use violence, in self defence [is legitimate], for an individual(s).



But any premeditated attack upon moslems in Australia will only give moslems the actual evidence, to allow moslems to portray themselves as the victims of hatred and bigotry.

And, then, to some extent, their claims would be true!

And after such an attack, the MSM will 'lap up' that aspect [the victimhood of moslems].

While we have all seen much of the MSM in Australia [intentionally, and COWARDLY] completely pass over, and ignore,        THE VERY OPEN SOURCES [in this digital age],       of ISLAMIC religious texts,
which fully encourage acts of moslem violence, against those that ISLAM identifies as; 'the enemies of Allah'.


If you as an Australian, want to fight against the influence of ISLAM, within Australia, then use LAWFUL METHODS.



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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.


SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.


Otherwise we are no better than moslems.




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Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.
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gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.



FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.




gandalf,

I don't know if FD actually said that.


But choices have consequences, even for foolish and naive people.

If those consequences flow from their own very deliberate choices,
then i would be inclined, to let such people suffer those consequences,
AND NOT ATTEMPT TO 'RESCUE' THEM.

Children, and their fellows, all make mistakes.

And we all learn from observing them.



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gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.


They deserve to be killed, just like the men.
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freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.


They deserve to be killed, just like the men.


Indeed you are correct Effendi.  But.....raped?
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Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.


They deserve to be killed, just like the men.


Indeed you are correct Effendi.  But.....raped?


I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
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Dear oh dear Effendi!

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


Madams and brothels have been chasing and with armies since time immemorial!

You sound like NOIQ with his urging to rape women with broken bottles and barbed wire.
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Dear oh dear Effendi!

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


Madams and brothels have been chasing and with armies since time immemorial!

You sound like NOIQ with his urging to rape women with broken bottles and barbed wire.


You have no idea, do you Aussie?
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Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Dear oh dear Effendi!

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


Madams and brothels have been chasing and with armies since time immemorial!

You sound like NOIQ with his urging to rape women with broken bottles and barbed wire.


You have no idea, do you Aussie?


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Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
Dear oh dear Effendi!

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


Madams and brothels have been chasing and with armies since time immemorial!

You sound like NOIQ with his urging to rape women with broken bottles and barbed wire.


You have no idea, do you Aussie?


So....what was it I said you disagree with Effendi?


They are raping captured women (just like Muhammad and his merry band of Islamic terrorists). Western Muslim women have travelled to ISIS to help them do it. There was one in particular who got a lot of media coverage.
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Ah.... so you condemn Mo for raping captured women yet applaud the rape of Muslim captured women.....and with a cactus?

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Ah.... so you condemn Mo for raping captured women yet applaud the rape of Muslim captured women.....and with a cactus?


No Aussie. Read what I said.
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I have Effendi.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


I think I might put that in my signature.

It is okay by you that Madams who run brothels for a Muslim Army are raped.....and with an cactus.

Charming.

Would you like to reconsider your ill chosen words?
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I have Effendi.

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


I think I might put that in my signature.

It is okay by you that Madams who run brothels for a Muslim Army are raped.....and with an cactus.

Charming.

Would you like to reconsider your ill chosen words?


Try reading a little slower Aussie.
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Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
I have Effendi.

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


I think I might put that in my signature.

It is okay by you that Madams who run brothels for a Muslim Army are raped.....and with an cactus.

Charming.

Would you like to reconsider your ill chosen words?


Try reading a little slower Aussie.


Did that.  Maybe you ought hit the keyboard a tad softer.

You are promoting rape of women.....with a cactus.  Nah.
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You are promoting killing women Aussie.


No.  I agree with you.  If they take up arms, they can get shot/blown away in battle like every soldier male or female.  Raped with a cactus (or in any way?)
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They are raping captured women

(just like Muhammad and his merry band of Islamic terrorists).


Western Muslim women have travelled to ISIS to help them do it.

There was one in particular who got a lot of media coverage.






IMAGE....
...


Aqsa Mahmood - the pretty moslem medical student, from the UK.




Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1496109483/0#0
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Many young Western born moslems rushed to Syria and Iraq.....
......to be a part of the glorious caliphate.

And now many of these moslems want to 'come home'.



IMAGE....
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4202307.ece/alternates/s615/Aqsa-Mahmood....


Aqsa Mahmood - the pretty moslem medical student, from the UK.




That young moslem woman, Aqsa Mahmood, chose to abandon her medical studies in the UK.

Why so ?

Because she wanted so, so much,          to travel to Syria/Iraq, so that she could be among her own kind.



'British' woman, Aqsa Mahmood,
"said she wanted to behead Christians with a “blunt knife”."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-female-jihadis-running-isis-4198165





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freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
You are promoting killing women Aussie.


No.  I agree with you.  If they take up arms, they can get shot/blown away in battle like every soldier male or female.  Raped with a cactus (or in any way?)


So you want to kill Muslim women?
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Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:17pm:
Brian thinks calling for someones murder is an opinion.


So does FD - if they're tinted.


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Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
You are promoting killing women Aussie.


No.  I agree with you.  If they take up arms, they can get shot/blown away in battle like every soldier male or female.  Raped with a cactus (or in any way?)


So you want to kill Muslim women?


No 'want' about it.  If they are in an enemy army, and I was in my army, they are fair game.  But....unlike you I do not want them raped at all, let alone with a cactus.
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Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:11am:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 6:12am:
Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
You are promoting killing women Aussie.


No.  I agree with you.  If they take up arms, they can get shot/blown away in battle like every soldier male or female.  Raped with a cactus (or in any way?)


So you want to kill Muslim women?


No 'want' about it.  If they are in an enemy army, and I was in my army, they are fair game.  But....unlike you I do not want them raped at all, let alone with a cactus.


As for shooting women - well.. way I see it.. if a theologically naked woman is chasing someone down an alley and carrying an AK-47 - she ain't exactly collecting for the Red Crescent...
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Reply #79 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:31am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.


They deserve to be killed, just like the men.


Indeed you are correct Effendi.  But.....raped?


I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


Well done FD, get it all out. And to think you originally denied ever having advocated rape on women, and mocked me for suggesting you did. I was fully expecting another round of "show me the quote you lying muslim" - but isn't it nice to be upfront and open about your moral stances.

And isn't it nice to hold the moral high ground here and know what is the "proper" sort of rape of women we should be advocating?
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Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
I have Effendi.

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


I think I might put that in my signature.

It is okay by you that Madams who run brothels for a Muslim Army are raped.....and with an cactus.

Charming.

Would you like to reconsider your ill chosen words?


Try reading a little slower Aussie.


Yes aussie, read slower. Then you'll understand how FD's advocating for a woman to be raped is something completely different to advocating for a woman to be raped.
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Reply #81 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:39am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.


They deserve to be killed, just like the men.


Indeed you are correct Effendi.  But.....raped?


I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


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gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 11:38am:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 9:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
I have Effendi.

Quote:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


I think I might put that in my signature.

It is okay by you that Madams who run brothels for a Muslim Army are raped.....and with an cactus.

Charming.

Would you like to reconsider your ill chosen words?


Try reading a little slower Aussie.


Yes aussie, read slower. Then you'll understand how FD's advocating for a woman to be raped is something completely different to advocating for a woman to be raped.


Gandalf I recall you devoting endless pages to the distinction you now cannot make.
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What distinction is there between a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus and a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus, Effendi?
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Reply #86 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:18pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
What distinction is there between a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus and a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus, Effendi?


"I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus."

Starts with 'I' and ends in a full stop (not a question mark).

How can it possibly be interpreted in any other way, other than FD hoping a woman is raped?


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Reply #87 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:33pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 8:30pm:
gandalf wrote on Apr 15th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Odd....how about someone calling for the killing of every Muslim Man, Woman and Child.  Arrested?


How about calling for a tinted Australian radio host who made a Twitter comment about remembering refugee camps to be executed?

FD says this type deserves everything they get.


FD once stated that women who join ISIS and get raped deserve everything they get.


They deserve to be killed, just like the men.


Indeed you are correct Effendi.  But.....raped?


I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.


Under Western or Sharia law, FD? Which?
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Reply #88 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
What distinction is there between a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus and a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus, Effendi?


"I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus."

Starts with 'I' and ends in a full stop (not a question mark).

How can it possibly be interpreted in any other way, other than FD hoping a woman is raped?




Yes, but FD is an advocate for Muslim women's rights. Of course he promotes genital mutilation with a cactus.

FD believes in Freeeeedom.
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Reply #89 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:27pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
What distinction is there between a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus and a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus, Effendi?


"I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus."

Starts with 'I' and ends in a full stop (not a question mark).

How can it possibly be interpreted in any other way, other than FD hoping a woman is raped?




Yes, but FD is an advocate for Muslim women's rights. Of course he promotes genital mutilation with a cactus.

FD believes in Freeeeedom.


Freediver is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.
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Reply #90 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:14pm:
What distinction is there between a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus and a hope that a bitch running brothels for ISIS for gets raped with a cactus, Effendi?


"I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus."

Starts with 'I' and ends in a full stop (not a question mark).

How can it possibly be interpreted in any other way, other than FD hoping a woman is raped?




Yes, but FD is an advocate for Muslim women's rights. Of course he promotes genital mutilation with a cactus.

FD believes in Freeeeedom.


Freediver is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.


Sure, but he's also a devout believer in female genital mutilation to keep women in their place.
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Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Sure, but he's also a devout believer in female genital mutilation to keep women in their place.


I perceive Freediver is an amateur Gynaecologist who is suffering from tunnel vision.
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I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.
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I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


He'll be devastated.
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Reply #94 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:13pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


You've stopped doing something you love, and the only person affected by that decision is you.

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Reply #95 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:23pm
 
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Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Sure, but he's also a devout believer in female genital mutilation to keep women in their place.


I perceive Freediver is an amateur Gynaecologist who is suffering from tunnel vision.


That makes sense, Forgiven. He's probably into herbalism too, hence the cactus.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
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Reply #97 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:33pm
 
Anyway - the Cat's out of the bag following that comment...

Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....

Be nice for once to not enter into personalities in discussion.. you filthy, vermin-ridden, milque-toasting, sycophantic, craw-fishing, jelly-belly-ing, Kaffir-Luving, miscreant piss-poor representatives of a fair discussion in a democratic society ....

Did I miss anyone there?  My apologies if I left anyone out...
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Reply #98 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:38pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


He'll be devastated.
There's loads of people who think like me aussie. We all add up. He sure doesn't fill the big venues like he used to. I couldn't think of anything worse than listening to songs about Islam. I'd rather read your posts and that's saying something.
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Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.
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Reply #101 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:49pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


He'll be devastated.
There's loads of people who think like me aussie. We all add up. He sure doesn't fill the big venues like he used to. I couldn't think of anything worse than listening to songs about Islam. I'd rather read your posts and that's saying something.


Yeah, he's suffering.

"Back in Australia after a 36 year absence Yusuf walked out to a capacity crowd at Perth's Challenge Stadium to begin his Australian tour."

"Cat Stevens, the singer-songwriter responsible for some of the ... which garners a huge roar of approval from the audience and quickly transforms the almost 14,000-strong crowd into one giant, unified singalong."

"The capacity crowd at the BEC were certainly pleased he was let in. The uncanny coincidence of a lunar eclipse during last night's show was lost on no one, with one fan asking, “have you seen the moon?” To which Islam replied, “have you seen the moon? It's a real one!” He teased fans with frequent ... "

" Yusef Cat Stevens is a living genius. It was no more evident than last night, when the man behind ALL those songs stepped out on the #Perth Arena stage to give the capacity crowd an almost three hour cavalcade of hits, with the odd new tune thrown in for good measure."

"Because the emotion in the capacity crowd was pure joy. Songs like “Trouble”, “Father and Son”, and “Moonshadow” got people to stand up from their seats in applause, while main set closer “Peace Train” found the fans joining in the trademark handclaps."

"His string of hits from the 1970s was certainly enough to attract a capacity crowd of Cat Stevens fans to Stockholm's Hovet in hopes that Yusuf could recall some of the magic that had attracted them to his music so many decades ago."

"Now going by the name Yusuf Islam, the British folk, pop and rock singer-songwriter will play to a practically sold-out crowd of thousands at TSB Bowl of Brooklands on Saturday night.

"Cheap and cheerful passes for the 15,000-capacity venue were snapped up within a week of going on sale, leaving available only deluxe packages with a hefty price tag."


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Reply #102 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


He'll be devastated.
There's loads of people who think like me aussie. We all add up. He sure doesn't fill the big venues like he used to. I couldn't think of anything worse than listening to songs about Islam. I'd rather read your posts and that's saying something.


Yeah, he's suffering.

"Back in Australia after a 36 year absence Yusuf walked out to a capacity crowd at Perth's Challenge Stadium to begin his Australian tour."

"Cat Stevens, the singer-songwriter responsible for some of the ... which garners a huge roar of approval from the audience and quickly transforms the almost 14,000-strong crowd into one giant, unified singalong."

"The capacity crowd at the BEC were certainly pleased he was let in. The uncanny coincidence of a lunar eclipse during last night's show was lost on no one, with one fan asking, “have you seen the moon?” To which Islam replied, “have you seen the moon? It's a real one!” He teased fans with frequent ... "

" Yusef Cat Stevens is a living genius. It was no more evident than last night, when the man behind ALL those songs stepped out on the #Perth Arena stage to give the capacity crowd an almost three hour cavalcade of hits, with the odd new tune thrown in for good measure."

"Because the emotion in the capacity crowd was pure joy. Songs like “Trouble”, “Father and Son”, and “Moonshadow” got people to stand up from their seats in applause, while main set closer “Peace Train” found the fans joining in the trademark handclaps."

"His string of hits from the 1970s was certainly enough to attract a capacity crowd of Cat Stevens fans to Stockholm's Hovet in hopes that Yusuf could recall some of the magic that had attracted them to his music so many decades ago."

"Now going by the name Yusuf Islam, the British folk, pop and rock singer-songwriter will play to a practically sold-out crowd of thousands at TSB Bowl of Brooklands on Saturday night.

"Cheap and cheerful passes for the 15,000-capacity venue were snapped up within a week of going on sale, leaving available only deluxe packages with a hefty price tag."


14,000 people venue????  Grin Grin Grin Most of the crowd were probably Muslims. That's small crowd for a big name like him.
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Reply #103 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?
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Reply #104 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:07pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


He'll be devastated.
There's loads of people who think like me aussie. We all add up. He sure doesn't fill the big venues like he used to. I couldn't think of anything worse than listening to songs about Islam. I'd rather read your posts and that's saying something.


Yeah, he's suffering.

"Back in Australia after a 36 year absence Yusuf walked out to a capacity crowd at Perth's Challenge Stadium to begin his Australian tour."

"Cat Stevens, the singer-songwriter responsible for some of the ... which garners a huge roar of approval from the audience and quickly transforms the almost 14,000-strong crowd into one giant, unified singalong."

"The capacity crowd at the BEC were certainly pleased he was let in. The uncanny coincidence of a lunar eclipse during last night's show was lost on no one, with one fan asking, “have you seen the moon?” To which Islam replied, “have you seen the moon? It's a real one!” He teased fans with frequent ... "

" Yusef Cat Stevens is a living genius. It was no more evident than last night, when the man behind ALL those songs stepped out on the #Perth Arena stage to give the capacity crowd an almost three hour cavalcade of hits, with the odd new tune thrown in for good measure."

"Because the emotion in the capacity crowd was pure joy. Songs like “Trouble”, “Father and Son”, and “Moonshadow” got people to stand up from their seats in applause, while main set closer “Peace Train” found the fans joining in the trademark handclaps."

"His string of hits from the 1970s was certainly enough to attract a capacity crowd of Cat Stevens fans to Stockholm's Hovet in hopes that Yusuf could recall some of the magic that had attracted them to his music so many decades ago."

"Now going by the name Yusuf Islam, the British folk, pop and rock singer-songwriter will play to a practically sold-out crowd of thousands at TSB Bowl of Brooklands on Saturday night.

"Cheap and cheerful passes for the 15,000-capacity venue were snapped up within a week of going on sale, leaving available only deluxe packages with a hefty price tag."


14,000 people venue????  Grin Grin Grin Most of the crowd were probably Muslims. That's small crowd for a big name like him.


He was playing venues half that size in the '70s.

His audience has got larger - not smaller.

Burn your 8-track cartridges if you must, but it won't bother the Cat none.

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Looks like Salman Rushdie won that one.....
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Stevens died when he left his music.
It was getting in the way of Islam....now he's back. Probably broke and wanting a retirement fund or donation to the other fund  Grin
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Reply #107 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?


I'd say he has. FD changed his mind too, you know.
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Reply #108 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
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Freediver is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.




THE MOSLEM,
            is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.


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The children of moslems, living in the West,
...choosing to travel to Syria or Libya, to support ISIS.

Q.
WHAT COULD THAT BE ABOUT ???




RADICALISATION,          within a moslem community.

How does it occur ?


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ISLAM itself, i would argue, has an indisputable nefarious influence upon the psyche of all adult moslems.

And every moslem parent,           will also have a commensurate influence, upon the psyche of every one, of their own children.


It isn't rocket science.     !!!!

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IMAGE....
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"Behead all those who insult the Prophet"


The result of children, being under the influence of 'Aussie' moslems - Sydney, 2012





MORE.....

IMAGE....
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"Whoever insults a Prophet, KILL HIM!"


Moslems resident in the UK, teaching their children, the 'true path'.






THE RESULTANT ADULT [exemplar]


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IMAGE....
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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"


Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.




Here in Australia too,
        .....many moslem children are going to grow up, into devout adult 'Aussie' JIHADI moslems.

Many moslem children, in Australia,      BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THEIR MOSLEM PARENTS,       are going to grow up, into devout adult 'Aussie' moslems,
who BELIEVE, that slitting the throat of a filthy infidel is
"as meaningless as two goats butting heads"
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QUESTION;

AND WHERE DO THESE VICIOUS AND MURDEROUS 'IDEAS', WHICH MOSLEMS HOLD, COME FROM ???




ANSWER;

FROM THE DIRECT INFLUENCE, OF THE MAINSTREAM DOCTRINES AND TENETS AND LAWS, OF ISLAM.





THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger]

MOHAMMED INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING FOR HIS 'RELIGION' IS HALAL....


"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369




MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger] INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING A POETESS [WHO IS 'THREATENING' HIS 'RELIGION'] IS HALAL....



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Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’
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MAINSTREAM.....

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
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MAINSTREAM.....

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."


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Freediver is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.




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Reply #110 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?


I listened to some of the stuff he did without instruments. It made me want to jam a cactus in my ear.
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Reply #111 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?

Ah, those dangerous perhapses.

Perhaps being critical of Islam is a great service to Muslims. Perhaps Mohammed was a deally bad guy and mindlessly following him is a sign of loss of critical faculties.
Perhaps a 7th century raping and pillaging warlord is not the moral lodestar for literate people in 21st century Australia.

Perhapses, eh?

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Reply #112 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?

Ah, those dangerous perhapses.

Perhaps being critical of Islam is a great service to Muslims. Perhaps Mohammed was a deally bad guy and mindlessly following him is a sign of loss of critical faculties.
Perhaps a 7th century raping and pillaging warlord is not the moral lodestar for literate people in 21st century Australia.

Perhapses, eh?

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Perhaps he just learned when to keep his mouth shut.
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freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
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At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.
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freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:57pm:
Perhaps he just learned when to keep his mouth shut.


Oh.. I dunno - maybe like that dopey sheila down Malbun way calling for burning the nation down to suit the desire of our homegrown Niqqers to 'go their own way' - he was only speaking metaphorically, and didn't really mean that Rushdie should die.... maybe just be killed a little but not too much, so he learns his lesson ......

Anyway, Cat - thanks for the music, but give up Islam - it rot you brain, my friend... I tell you truly three times - do not smoke of the Tibetan Loco weed that you smuggle ...
And now on KRUD Multimedia - a little music to soothe your souls:-


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Reply #116 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Quote:
At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.


Do you think Brian has a problem with Cat's views?
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Sing along now, boys:-



'and if I ever lose my head,
Musso gonna have it instead....'

'If I ever lose my feet,
All my toes goin' hunt Muso meat'...
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.. and coming up next in our Cat Hour on KRUD Multimedia.....something very topical ...



.. and here's a little number for the Malbun chick....



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Cat was legendary... who knows why he went Muslim ... does anybody know anyone who has and asked them why?
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Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Cat was legendary... who knows why he went Muslim ... does anybody know anyone who has and asked them why?


You could ask Gandalf(member here).
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Reply #121 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Quote:
At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.


Do you think Brian has a problem with Cat's views?


Ever heard of the quote: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it?"
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Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Cat was legendary... who knows why he went Muslim ... does anybody know anyone who has and asked them why?


You could ask Gandalf(member here).


I would prefer it came from the horses mouth not some Muslim wannabe.  I reckon that those who become Muslim, must be like those who become Born Again Christians. I can't understand either ... dead is dead, there is no heaven, you will never see your long lost rellies again ... ever.
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Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Cat was legendary... who knows why he went Muslim ... does anybody know anyone who has and asked them why?


You could ask Gandalf(member here).


I would prefer it came from the horses mouth not some Muslim wannabe.  I reckon that those who become Muslim, must be like those who become Born Again Christians. I can't understand either ... dead is dead, there is no heaven, you will never see your long lost rellies again ... ever.


You asked... Gandalf went Muslim and you get the chance to ask him yourself why. That was your question, wasn't it?
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Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:40pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:28pm:
Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Cat was legendary... who knows why he went Muslim ... does anybody know anyone who has and asked them why?


You could ask Gandalf(member here).


I would prefer it came from the horses mouth not some Muslim wannabe.  I reckon that those who become Muslim, must be like those who become Born Again Christians. I can't understand either ... dead is dead, there is no heaven, you will never see your long lost rellies again ... ever.


You asked... Gandalf went Muslim and you get the chance to ask him yourself why. That was your question, wasn't it?


Well - he smells like a horse... and like a horse can be lead to water.....
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Sam Morris wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:36pm:

I reckon that those who become Muslim, must be like those who become Born Again Christians.

I can't understand either ... dead is dead, there is no heaven, you will never see your long lost rellies again ... ever.




That is so cruel.

Tryin, to cause me to lose my faith.

Tryin to make me believe that i will never see my long lost rellies again ... ever.

Its just cruel, cruel, cruel.


Such an insensitive, and cruel person.

I'm just so offended,        AND HURT.     [....can you feeeeel my hurt??? ]

There ought to be a law against it!

Cruel people like you, oughtn't be able to hurt my feelings.

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If you have a despairing need for such a faith - you never had faith in yourself, and thus could not make a valid judgement on needing such a faith....

Anyone who feels the need to cling to such a life preserver is not a person in full command of his or her self....... God by any number of names and I should enjoy a decent discussion of realities down here some time..... his software needs updating...... severely..... and He or She is sadly misinformed by those vested with the privilege of passing on software updates and upgrades.

That's what happens in a massive corporation where you need to delegate responsibilities and rely on reports... and many such intermediaries are chosen for the wrong reasons and are bricks with a gold veneer bent on personal aggrandizement rather than the will of the corporation ....

Any such intermediary who says he/she knows it all is a liar and a thief of the wages of the Godhead.

You see your long, lost rellies (etc) every day in yourself - that is why I write books (sometimes) - because the stories of who they were and are to this day within me are the only true reality they still possess.... and they are not forgotten..... we owe them that much...... and sometimes more than that.

If you fail to pass down who they were and why - you have failed them.... and you will not see them in some Paradise...... but your descendants may see them in your writings... with all their faults and their golden points as well.... for none of us is perfect, Grasshopper....

LIVE this - do not die to seek it.... there is no seeking beyond death........ but much forgetting....
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@ Reply #126

No, no,    Grappler.



Sam Morris [Reply #122] is a very cruel person.

The behaviour of such people [Sam Morris] [on forums such as this] needs to be curbed,
to protect my feelings!

How dare he/she think that he/she has a right to offend people [like myself] who may read his/her views!



Don't be a heartless person Grappler.

You too, need to join this protest,        against insensitive and cruel people,
who think that they can say anything that they want to,         express, any opinion they want to.

Its an utterly outrageous proposition/idea.

What about our [MY] feelings!!!




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God is a security blaket for some and an imaginary friend to others. But as stated above, there are more underlying issues with believers in that they are not thinking of themselves as their superior.

It also fascinates me how believers will refer to their god as "him". Well most do.
That to me is playing the superior being complex. It works great with the owners of the world who act as superior beings to us peasants.....well they try anyway.
They still bleed red and one thing WE all have in common is "death". Like it or not no one is exempt.

In the end we are nothing but a programed conscience.
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God is a security blaket for some...




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Cat stevens is proof that islam is a toxic turd of a religion.

If it can turn Mr Peace train to supporting murder is it any wonder there are so many muslims willing to kill and die for their false prophet.

It's time we flush this toxic turd religion.
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Reply #131 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am
 
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

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Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?

John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
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At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.


Do you think Brian has a problem with Cat's views?


Ever heard of the quote: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it?"


Is that what Brian said?
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Wow FD you sure read a lot into "meow"

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Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

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freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?

John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Quote:
At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.


Do you think Brian has a problem with Cat's views?


Ever heard of the quote: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it?"


Is that what Brian said?


Can you quote me the text where he explicitly supports the use of violence against those who criticise Islam??
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Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

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To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.
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Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.


It's OK for FleaDriver, Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims because that's all bigots like Gnads and it's ilk deserves.
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Anyway - the Cat's out of the bag following that comment...

Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....

Be nice for once to not enter into personalities in discussion.. you filthy, vermin-ridden, milque-toasting, sycophantic, craw-fishing, jelly-belly-ing, Kaffir-Luving, miscreant piss-poor representatives of a fair discussion in a democratic society ....

Did I miss anyone there?  My apologies if I left anyone out...


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Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.


It's OK for FleaDriver, Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims because that's all bigots like Gnads and it's ilk deserves.




So if one does it then it's okay for the other too.
Wish you lot would make your bloody minds up.

I fail to see how they've lied about islam.
Can you give some examples please?
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Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.


It's OK for FleaDriver, Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims because that's all bigots like Gnads and it's ilk deserves.


Speaking of people with a limited & repetitive vocabulary Roll Eyes

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Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....



As opposed to the farsighted, broadminded, and thoughtful adherents to Christianity.

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Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....



As opposed to the farsighted, broadminded, and thoughtful adherents to Christianity.



I was not of the belief there was a direct comparison between the two... the only comparison is between persons of reason and those without... a situation that can cross all religious boundaries... mind you, only adherents to certain strands of Christianity can be short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking.. the rest are fine if perhaps a little limited in their worldview.

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Auggie, its in the op.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

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Here's the story on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie

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Looks like there could be fewer people visiting Cat Man Do when he sings...
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Looks like there could be fewer people visiting Cat Man Do when he sings...


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It's OK for....Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims.....





Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

I fail to see how they've lied about islam.

Can you give some examples please?




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Can you give some examples please?

Of where,          .....'Yadda....[has] lied about Muslims'.     ?



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Auggie, its in the op.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Freediver wrote....
Quote:
So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

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I believe Cat Stevens gave a perfectly reasonable explanation about his comment....Why shouldn't I believe him....His full response can be found in the link below if you are bothered to read it???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...
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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Auggie, its in the op.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Freediver wrote....
Quote:
So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

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I believe Cat Stevens gave a perfectly reasonable explanation about his comment....Why shouldn't I believe him....His full response can be found in the link below if you are bothered to read it???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


The issue I often find with people who make such controversial statements is that they are in a state of cognitive dissonance.
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Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)
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Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


The fact that he made one point, and then later on retracted it or altered it to mean something different indicates cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance creates a feeling of discomfort when a person realizes something. I have no doubt that Cat Stevens felt uncomfortable by his initial comments.

EDIT: "In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. This is done by making changes to justify their stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance, or by actively avoiding social situations and/or contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.[1]"
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Reply #154 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:09pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


Cat explained himself because he felt he needed to set the record straight so why would he do that....Some people will never let the truth change their beliefs???

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Reply #155 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:25pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


The fact that he made one point, and then later on retracted it or altered it to mean something different indicates cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance creates a feeling of discomfort when a person realizes something. I have no doubt that Cat Stevens felt uncomfortable by his initial comments.

EDIT: "In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. This is done by making changes to justify their stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance, or by actively avoiding social situations and/or contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.[1]"


There is an abundance of definitions Caesar.  I leave that smart arse language for others.
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Reply #156 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Looks like there could be fewer people visiting Cat Man Do when he sings...


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Nonsense undeserving of the light of day.... stick it back where it belongs and don't forget to wash your hands.
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Reply #157 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Auggie, its in the op.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

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Do you believe what they say?


I believe Cat Stevens gave a perfectly reasonable explanation about his comment....Why shouldn't I believe him....His full response can be found in the link below if you are bothered to read it???

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https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


Never called for Rushdie's death - just said he should die.. world of difference to a corpse....
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Reply #158 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:25pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


The fact that he made one point, and then later on retracted it or altered it to mean something different indicates cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance creates a feeling of discomfort when a person realizes something. I have no doubt that Cat Stevens felt uncomfortable by his initial comments.

EDIT: "In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency in order to mentally function in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. This is done by making changes to justify their stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance, or by actively avoiding social situations and/or contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.[1]"


There is an abundance of definitions Caesar.  I leave that smart arse language for others.


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Reply #159 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:49pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


People do not "suffer" from cognitive dissidence, it is not an affliction, it is a description of stupidity, where a lying twat says any shite no matter how contradictory it is.

It would be like I suffer from smart arsery, as nif me being a smart arse is a mental disease I suffer from.
No, it is a choice I make, and those around me have to suffer it.

Same diff.

Cat is full of crap. I watched it the first time, I know what he said, I watched him say it.
I know what he meant, he was not unclear, or "joking" as he now lies.
100% gold plated take it to the bank, utter bald faced lying fricking muslom BS.
And that folks is the Alpha and Omega of this whole argument.
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Reply #160 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 8:17am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Auggie, its in the op.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg (1933 - ), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999


Do you believe what they say?


I believe Cat Stevens gave a perfectly reasonable explanation about his comment....Why shouldn't I believe him....His full response can be found in the link below if you are bothered to read it???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


Do you believe his claim that he did not call for Rushdie's death?
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Reply #161 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:48am
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


People do not "suffer" from cognitive dissidence, it is not an affliction, it is a description of stupidity, where a lying twat says any shite no matter how contradictory it is.

It would be like I suffer from smart arsery, as nif me being a smart arse is a mental disease I suffer from.
No, it is a choice I make, and those around me have to suffer it.

Same diff.

Cat is full of crap. I watched it the first time, I know what he said, I watched him say it.
I know what he meant, he was not unclear, or "joking" as he now lies.
100% gold plated take it to the bank, utter bald faced lying fricking muslom BS.
And that folks is the Alpha and Omega of this whole argument.


Actually, cognitive dissonance as it was originally conceived by social psychologists, isn't really conscious at all, and isn't merely a case of lying.

In the original experiment, subjects were asked to perform the most menial and boring task imaginable (turning cogs) for a very long time. But one group was paid $1 to do it, while the other group was paid $20 for doing the same task. When asked what they thought of the task afterwards, the people who were paid $20 simply said it was boring as hell. However the people who were paid $1 ended up saying that the task was ok, or even interesting. Why? Clearly the people who were paid $20 received a relatively generous compensation for the task, and so they had no qualms about being upfront about what they thought about the task. It was boring as hell, but they were ok with that because they were paid decently for it. On the other hand, the other group found themselves in an internal conflict - they did a poo task, and worse still got poo compensation for it. Why? This conflict, or "cognitive dissonance" could only be resolved by literally convincing themselves, internally, that somehow they actually didn't simply do the task for no reason - and that was because it was actually somehow fun or interesting for them.

Thats what cognitive dissonance is - an internal process that resolves a contradiction in the person's beliefs (ie, in the experiment, the belief that I would never do a crap task for no good reason or compensation). If we were to put it in Cat's perspective, we can argue that he really did say Salman should die, but after that his belief system changed. And I guess short of actually admitting he was wrong, the next best thing to resolve the dissonance is to convince himself that he never said such a thing. Who knows, maybe he really believes it, even if its clear to us its rubbish.
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Reply #162 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 4:15pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:21pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Looks like there could be fewer people visiting Cat Man Do when he sings...


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Reply #163 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 4:50pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:48am:
mozzaok wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


People do not "suffer" from cognitive dissidence, it is not an affliction, it is a description of stupidity, where a lying twat says any shite no matter how contradictory it is.

It would be like I suffer from smart arsery, as nif me being a smart arse is a mental disease I suffer from.
No, it is a choice I make, and those around me have to suffer it.

Same diff.

Cat is full of crap. I watched it the first time, I know what he said, I watched him say it.
I know what he meant, he was not unclear, or "joking" as he now lies.
100% gold plated take it to the bank, utter bald faced lying fricking muslom BS.
And that folks is the Alpha and Omega of this whole argument.


Actually, cognitive dissonance as it was originally conceived by social psychologists, isn't really conscious at all, and isn't merely a case of lying.

In the original experiment, subjects were asked to perform the most menial and boring task imaginable (turning cogs) for a very long time. But one group was paid $1 to do it, while the other group was paid $20 for doing the same task. When asked what they thought of the task afterwards, the people who were paid $20 simply said it was boring as hell. However the people who were paid $1 ended up saying that the task was ok, or even interesting. Why? Clearly the people who were paid $20 received a relatively generous compensation for the task, and so they had no qualms about being upfront about what they thought about the task. It was boring as hell, but they were ok with that because they were paid decently for it. On the other hand, the other group found themselves in an internal conflict - they did a poo task, and worse still got poo compensation for it. Why? This conflict, or "cognitive dissonance" could only be resolved by literally convincing themselves, internally, that somehow they actually didn't simply do the task for no reason - and that was because it was actually somehow fun or interesting for them.

Thats what cognitive dissonance is - an internal process that resolves a contradiction in the person's beliefs (ie, in the experiment, the belief that I would never do a crap task for no good reason or compensation). If we were to put it in Cat's perspective, we can argue that he really did say Salman should die, but after that his belief system changed. And I guess short of actually admitting he was wrong, the next best thing to resolve the dissonance is to convince himself that he never said such a thing. Who knows, maybe he really believes it, even if its clear to us its rubbish.


Yeah, that's what I said, it is a description of people bullshiteing.
People say that someone is suffering from cognitive dissonance when they appear to believe their own bullshite.
You know the kind of stuff,
"Islam is a religion of peace, and I will kick the shi'ite out of anyone who disagrees"

That is cognitive dissonance in a nutshell, even without any $1 or $20 windups.
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Reply #164 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 8:44pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:48am:
mozzaok wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Where is there any evidence that Stevens suffers from cognitive dissonance.....(such a lofty expression which basically means....having two conflicting positions or hyposcrisy.)


People do not "suffer" from cognitive dissidence, it is not an affliction, it is a description of stupidity, where a lying twat says any shite no matter how contradictory it is.

It would be like I suffer from smart arsery, as nif me being a smart arse is a mental disease I suffer from.
No, it is a choice I make, and those around me have to suffer it.

Same diff.

Cat is full of crap. I watched it the first time, I know what he said, I watched him say it.
I know what he meant, he was not unclear, or "joking" as he now lies.
100% gold plated take it to the bank, utter bald faced lying fricking muslom BS.
And that folks is the Alpha and Omega of this whole argument.


Actually, cognitive dissonance as it was originally conceived by social psychologists, isn't really conscious at all, and isn't merely a case of lying.

In the original experiment, subjects were asked to perform the most menial and boring task imaginable (turning cogs) for a very long time. But one group was paid $1 to do it, while the other group was paid $20 for doing the same task. When asked what they thought of the task afterwards, the people who were paid $20 simply said it was boring as hell. However the people who were paid $1 ended up saying that the task was ok, or even interesting. Why? Clearly the people who were paid $20 received a relatively generous compensation for the task, and so they had no qualms about being upfront about what they thought about the task. It was boring as hell, but they were ok with that because they were paid decently for it. On the other hand, the other group found themselves in an internal conflict - they did a poo task, and worse still got poo compensation for it. Why? This conflict, or "cognitive dissonance" could only be resolved by literally convincing themselves, internally, that somehow they actually didn't simply do the task for no reason - and that was because it was actually somehow fun or interesting for them.

Thats what cognitive dissonance is - an internal process that resolves a contradiction in the person's beliefs (ie, in the experiment, the belief that I would never do a crap task for no good reason or compensation). If we were to put it in Cat's perspective, we can argue that he really did say Salman should die, but after that his belief system changed. And I guess short of actually admitting he was wrong, the next best thing to resolve the dissonance is to convince himself that he never said such a thing. Who knows, maybe he really believes it, even if its clear to us its rubbish.


Is that where your mindless collective of treacherous Jews meme comes from - the cognitive dissonance between the wishy washy western liberal morals you grew up with and the violent, backwards ideology you adopted? Blame the Jews.

Perhaps Phil is going through the same cognitive dissonance that Cat did, and actually believes Cat never called for Rushdie's death.
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