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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #135 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm
 

Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #136 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:08pm:
So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?

Auggie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:29pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
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At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.


Do you think Brian has a problem with Cat's views?


Ever heard of the quote: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it?"


Is that what Brian said?


Can you quote me the text where he explicitly supports the use of violence against those who criticise Islam??
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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #137 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion
or ideology
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Steven Weinberg (1933 - ), quoted in The New York Times, April 20, 1999

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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #138 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

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Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.
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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #139 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:55pm
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.


It's OK for FleaDriver, Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims because that's all bigots like Gnads and it's ilk deserves.
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Reply #140 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:59pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Anyway - the Cat's out of the bag following that comment...

Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....

Be nice for once to not enter into personalities in discussion.. you filthy, vermin-ridden, milque-toasting, sycophantic, craw-fishing, jelly-belly-ing, Kaffir-Luving, miscreant piss-poor representatives of a fair discussion in a democratic society ....

Did I miss anyone there?  My apologies if I left anyone out...


Grappler feeling flushed sticks its head out of the S-bend.
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Reply #141 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.


It's OK for FleaDriver, Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims because that's all bigots like Gnads and it's ilk deserves.




So if one does it then it's okay for the other too.
Wish you lot would make your bloody minds up.

I fail to see how they've lied about islam.
Can you give some examples please?
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Reply #142 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:13pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:22am:
To be fair it is best to let the Cat speak for himself!!!

Quote:
Cat Stevens: I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie

Yusuf/Cat Stevens

I never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini – and still don’t. The book [Satanic Verses] itself destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis.

When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that – like both the Torah and the Gospel – the Qur’an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offence. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you’re looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur’anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole.

The accusation that I supported the Fatwa, therefore, is wholly false and misleading. It was due to my naivety in trying to answer a loaded question posed by a journalist, after a harmless biographical lecture I gave to students in Kingston University in 1989, which unleashed the infamous headline above.


Fair enough IMO!!!

Cool Cool Cool

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/i-never-called-for-the-death-of-sa...


It's OK for the Muslim to lie to the non believers/Infidels/Kuffars.


It's OK for FleaDriver, Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims because that's all bigots like Gnads and it's ilk deserves.


Speaking of people with a limited & repetitive vocabulary Roll Eyes

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Reply #143 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:14pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....



As opposed to the farsighted, broadminded, and thoughtful adherents to Christianity.

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Reply #144 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Just goes to show how short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking adherents to certain strains of I-Slam are....



As opposed to the farsighted, broadminded, and thoughtful adherents to Christianity.



I was not of the belief there was a direct comparison between the two... the only comparison is between persons of reason and those without... a situation that can cross all religious boundaries... mind you, only adherents to certain strands of Christianity can be short-sighted, narrow-minded, and unthinking.. the rest are fine if perhaps a little limited in their worldview.

In a world of endless greys (fifty shades or more?) how does a blind man choose which is black and which white?  To seek to place all in black and white is to suggest that every feminist is a goody two-shoes and the absolute epitome of humanity.... Cool
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Reply #145 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:28pm
 
Auggie, its in the op.

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
Freediver wrote....
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So spot and phil have no problem with Muslims calling for the death of people who criticise Islam, so long as there is some vague, unspoken desire to also get the paperwork in order?

Do you actually believe cat never called for Rushdie's death?


I believe all religion is crap but I prefer to let people speak for themselves???

Huh Huh Huh

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Reply #146 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:35pm
 
Here's the story on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie

We've got one of these "converts" on this forum.
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Reply #147 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 3:00pm
 
Looks like there could be fewer people visiting Cat Man Do when he sings...
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Reply #148 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 4:21pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 3:00pm:
Looks like there could be fewer people visiting Cat Man Do when he sings...


Grappler is a disciple of FreeDiver and a surreptitious, sneaky, bigot.
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Reply #149 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:01pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 1:55pm:

It's OK for....Yadda and their ilk to lie about Muslims.....





Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

I fail to see how they've lied about islam.

Can you give some examples please?




Yeah, #metoo,     Caveman.

I am feeling violated!!!!!         Cry         Cry         Cry



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Unforgettable,

Can you give some examples please?

Of where,          .....'Yadda....[has] lied about Muslims'.     ?



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