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Reply #105 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 2:25pm
 
Looks like Salman Rushdie won that one.....
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Reply #106 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 2:49pm
 
Stevens died when he left his music.
It was getting in the way of Islam....now he's back. Probably broke and wanting a retirement fund or donation to the other fund  Grin
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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #107 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 3:49pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?


I'd say he has. FD changed his mind too, you know.
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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #108 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Freediver is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.




THE MOSLEM,
            is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.


.


The children of moslems, living in the West,
...choosing to travel to Syria or Libya, to support ISIS.

Q.
WHAT COULD THAT BE ABOUT ???




RADICALISATION,          within a moslem community.

How does it occur ?


-------- >

ISLAM itself, i would argue, has an indisputable nefarious influence upon the psyche of all adult moslems.

And every moslem parent,           will also have a commensurate influence, upon the psyche of every one, of their own children.


It isn't rocket science.     !!!!

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IMAGE....
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"Behead all those who insult the Prophet"


The result of children, being under the influence of 'Aussie' moslems - Sydney, 2012





MORE.....

IMAGE....
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"Whoever insults a Prophet, KILL HIM!"


Moslems resident in the UK, teaching their children, the 'true path'.






THE RESULTANT ADULT [exemplar]


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IMAGE....
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"Behead those who insult ISLAM"


Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.




Here in Australia too,
        .....many moslem children are going to grow up, into devout adult 'Aussie' JIHADI moslems.

Many moslem children, in Australia,      BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THEIR MOSLEM PARENTS,       are going to grow up, into devout adult 'Aussie' moslems,
who BELIEVE, that slitting the throat of a filthy infidel is
"as meaningless as two goats butting heads"
.....

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QUESTION;

AND WHERE DO THESE VICIOUS AND MURDEROUS 'IDEAS', WHICH MOSLEMS HOLD, COME FROM ???




ANSWER;

FROM THE DIRECT INFLUENCE, OF THE MAINSTREAM DOCTRINES AND TENETS AND LAWS, OF ISLAM.





THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger]

MOHAMMED INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING FOR HIS 'RELIGION' IS HALAL....


"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369




MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger] INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING A POETESS [WHO IS 'THREATENING' HIS 'RELIGION'] IS HALAL....



Quote:
Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’
http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Islam_and_peace.htm




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MAINSTREAM.....

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06



MAINSTREAM.....

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."


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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #109 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 


Unforgiven wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Freediver is a peacelover who believes there is nothing more peaceful than a dead man.




Unforgettable,

Your posts often end up, inspiring me so, so much.

Smiley

Thank you.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #110 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?


I listened to some of the stuff he did without instruments. It made me want to jam a cactus in my ear.
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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #111 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?

Ah, those dangerous perhapses.

Perhaps being critical of Islam is a great service to Muslims. Perhaps Mohammed was a deally bad guy and mindlessly following him is a sign of loss of critical faculties.
Perhaps a 7th century raping and pillaging warlord is not the moral lodestar for literate people in 21st century Australia.

Perhapses, eh?

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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #112 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 1:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
I used to love listening to Cat Stevens. Every song was about peace , love and making the world better. Calling for Rushdie's death just blew it all out of the water. He contradicted himself in front of the world. I won't listen to anything from Cat now.


Very true. The turnaround's pretty unprecedented - in pop culture, anyway.

FD's switch was pretty abrupt too. One minute, there he was, chasing Sprint and Yadda around for chastising the Muselman. The next - poof! He's cuddling up to them.

As FD says, he "changed his mind". He's since become an amateur herbal gynaecologist, so anything's possible.
Even you must admit Karnal that it's a hell of a leap from Peace Train to asking for the death of a person who insulted his religion. That's like Mother Teresa starring in a porno.


I do admit it. I've been fervently admitting it for the entire thread. It's the low point in a career that produced some powerful, enchanting music.

Mind you, Stevens' departure from music was another. Abandoning his entire career because some imam says music's unIslamic is the height of brainwashing. Besides, Sufi musicians have been creating great music in Asia for hundreds of years. In India, blind Muslim singers are recognised as the best in their art form.

If religion doesn't encourage independent thought, it's not true religion.


Cat went back to music - years ago. He writes and performs both religious and non-religious songs. So he's obviously changed his mind on the whole ban on music thing. Perhaps he's also changed him mind on killing Salman?

Ah, those dangerous perhapses.

Perhaps being critical of Islam is a great service to Muslims. Perhaps Mohammed was a deally bad guy and mindlessly following him is a sign of loss of critical faculties.
Perhaps a 7th century raping and pillaging warlord is not the moral lodestar for literate people in 21st century Australia.

Perhapses, eh?

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Reply #113 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:57pm
 
Perhaps he just learned when to keep his mouth shut.
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Reply #114 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
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At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

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Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.
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Reply #115 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:57pm:
Perhaps he just learned when to keep his mouth shut.


Oh.. I dunno - maybe like that dopey sheila down Malbun way calling for burning the nation down to suit the desire of our homegrown Niqqers to 'go their own way' - he was only speaking metaphorically, and didn't really mean that Rushdie should die.... maybe just be killed a little but not too much, so he learns his lesson ......

Anyway, Cat - thanks for the music, but give up Islam - it rot you brain, my friend... I tell you truly three times - do not smoke of the Tibetan Loco weed that you smuggle ...
And now on KRUD Multimedia - a little music to soothe your souls:-


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Re: Cat Stevens vs Salman Rushdie
Reply #116 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 3:41pm:
So Brian has no problem with Cat Stevens calling for the death of Salman Rushdie. Not just calling for his death, but saying he "must die" for insulting Muhammad - so long as the paperwork is all in order. This is what Islam does to people's morals. It replaces them with mindless obedience to barbaric law.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Quote:
At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him 'not guilty' of any crime – blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.[1]

[Source]

Funny, how if you read the whole wikipedia article on Yusuf Islam's comments about Rushdie, it appears he was deliberately and provocatively misquoted by Robertson...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So you don't have a problem with Cat's views on killing Rushdie?


Yusuf?  "Cat" no longer exists, it was a made up name anyway, FD.

No, I don't have problems with his views.  He is entitled to voice them.  Afterall, you claim you support Freedom of Speech, now don't you?  Do you have a problem with him voicing his opinion?

I would have problems if he decided to act on those views, just as I would have problems if you decided to act on your Islamophobia.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


The bit that Brian left out:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
On 21 February 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie's execution. He replied, "He must be killed. The Qur'an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die."[4]





It's freedom of speech, FD. A person is allowed to voice to their views openly. BR made this very clear.

You're twisting his words to make it look as though he 'supports' those actions. BR never said that he supported those actions.


Do you think Brian has a problem with Cat's views?
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Reply #117 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:09pm
 
Sing along now, boys:-



'and if I ever lose my head,
Musso gonna have it instead....'

'If I ever lose my feet,
All my toes goin' hunt Muso meat'...
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Reply #118 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:15pm
 
.. and coming up next in our Cat Hour on KRUD Multimedia.....something very topical ...



.. and here's a little number for the Malbun chick....



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Reply #119 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:25pm
 
Cat was legendary... who knows why he went Muslim ... does anybody know anyone who has and asked them why?
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