Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 11:37am:




Lol whats a natural immune builder?

And never heard of herd immunity?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:





Ummmmmmm

rhino wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 1:26pm:




True, but the principle still applies, you are limiting the contact between vulnerable individuals.

Vaccines don't reduce the immune system.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
Try this
Quote:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2015-08-06/how-does-your-immune-system-help-you-fight-colds-and-flu/6650768

The effectiveness of a flu shot isn't measured over a single person. It's measured on a population basis.

The more people covered, the less people in hospital, the less people dying.

I actually just heard a friend of a friend ended up on a ventilator for 3 months last year after getting the flu. 40 year old tradie, fit as an ox.

He nearly lots his house because he couldn't pay his mortgage.

The flu shot is $10. No bloody brainer.

Gordon wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:


But if he had ever smoked in his life they would blame it on that

Spot

Well Gordo. Heaps of 'fit/healthy' people can have a heart attack at just 40 years of age. Stress can be a contributor as well. Some people can 'over-do' things.
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a good example of the body pulling back on the reigns and saying "you've pushed me too hard and for what, just to be #1 ".

Sydney Olympics 2000: Millions of Australians got very sick via 'Flu' symptoms as hundreds of thousands of 'foreigners' poured into our 'isolated' island nation, via Sydney and 'coughed' the 'latest trend' of viruses over us. Our 'fragile' little eggshell isolationism showed how 'behind' the times in regards to the Global Cough we were.
Even the so-called 'healthy' Medical Staff got sick in great numbers. I remember working a few weeks with just one RN for 20 patients.

Anyway - as in regards to 'Herd Immunity'? Its something new to me (probably just another 'new word' for something old and well known  ). Maybe its a 'Chinese' thing for 'group mentality' and all that Asian cliché. 

Cold & Flu are good for you. I can lessen the symptoms when I get them. Garlic goes a long way in this.
My House Mate: Fit as a fiddle, does triathalons, eats healthy, etc - but got hit hard by the flu for weeks.
I told him not to fight the Flu as 'rest' is the best. He did (died to the world for a few days) then slowly began recovery.
Me? I get the same Flu but much 'milder', didn't need to 'crash' so to speak.
The best thing for Colds is to keep active. 
Just spoke to him, he's back fro his first 'run' since the Flu weeks ago. 15km run. He feels crap.
Discussion and he agrees - Australia is susceptible to 'falling behind' on the latest Global Cough because of our 'isolating' Island factor - it has its advantages and disadvantages.

So basically, for the USA influenced, Australian Medical Industry to go about 'scaring' people into getting Jabs is ludicrous. Also ludicrous because USA (& UK) or 'Western' culture is more apt at winning 'Wars', rather than practicing good medicine (especially USA) and its only 'MONEY' that keeps them ticking along like a Health System highly dependent on Technology to keep them alive. 

So use your 'Common' sense when it comes to dealing with the Common Cold/Flu.
Sure, people can die from it. Just ask all those ancient Aboriginals, Indians of the Americas - for starters. 
But I assure you, the Cold & Flu is the one thing the Medical (Global) Industry should never 'cure'. Of course, Western Medicine (over-achiever for $$$) would think otherwise.

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 12^th, 2018 at 10:36pm:


How?

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 13^th, 2018 at 6:23am:



If you immunise 98 out of 100 random people, and out of the 2 remaining, 1 gets the disease, the chances that the other person comes into contact with them is relatively small.

If you only immunise 65 out of 100 random people, and out of the 35 left, 1 gets the disease, the chances they come into contact with the other 34 vulnerable people is higher


It works by minimising contact between vulnerable indiividuals.


And Yadda you're full of poo.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 13^th, 2018 at 6:23am:


Infectious diseases like the flu spread through contact with infected people. If you are surrounded by people who arn't infected then you are far less likely to catch it yourself

Jasin wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:


It's unlikely we ever will

The cold virus and the flu virus mutate so rapidly that no cure would be permanent.

Even the flu vaccine is really only effective for a few months

Jasin wrote on Apr 15^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:




Can you please stop saying cold/flu. They arent the same thing.

Jasin wrote on Apr 16^th, 2018 at 10:11am:


This forum really is full of rambling lunatics

The flu and the common cold are both respiratory illnesses but they are caused by different viruses. Because these two types of illnesses have similar symptoms, it can be difficult to tell the difference between them based on symptoms alone. In general, the flu is worse than the common cold, and symptoms are more common and intense. Colds are usually milder than the flu. People with colds are more likely to have a runny or stuffy nose. Colds generally do not result in serious health problems, such as pneumonia, bacterial infections, or hospitalizations. Flu can have very serious associated complications.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/coldflu.htm

Jasin wrote on Apr 18^th, 2018 at 2:33pm:




And his knowledge of respiratory illness is spot on. They are caused by different viruses. Even the common cold is a subset of different viruses.