But I didn't say that FD, I said they "were basically following the religion of Abraham, but with a few extra gods thrown in". The biggest giveaway is the amount of detail the Quran dedicates to referencing Biblical tradition - and given the vast majority of its intended contemporary audience were pagan, this can only make sense if these people had widespread knowledge of this tradition - from their own religion.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:


So you claim that the pagans were "basically following the religion of Abraham," but you have no evidence they were actually doing this, except some convoluted logic about how it makes sense they were already following this religion because that is what Muhammad converted them to. No wonder you got all hysterical and tried to change the subject.

FYI, this is an example of "yet another version of Islamic history" from Muslims.

Can you give some examples of this "standard narrative"?

Is the narrative a recent invention?

Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 18^th, 2018 at 8:49pm:

A simple FOrf will always suffice in response to you, Paki.

The alternative is that the pagans are pagans.

Can you give some examples of this "standard narrative"? We are three pages into this thread and you have been ducking and weaving on this the whole time. It's kind of hypocritical of you to demand I answer questions don't you think?

Then along comes JaSin and says something like...


The Age of the Jewish Messiah (Jesus) and the Moslem Prophet (Mohommed) are over!

Already we've had the Jewish Prophet (Hitler) and almost like around now - we will get the Moslem Messiah (Henry? via France). The New Age is beginning!


...so this is what the Moslems are waiting for - their Messiah who will die for their sins. Until then, they will not give up their Terrorism (poor man's military) as the last vapours of the once great 'military' Empire(s) of Islam (even against the 'Terminators' of the USA).
When their Messiah comes - they will vanquish all association to 'Empire' and become like what the Jews once were.

So having Trump and USA interventions, Russia, China involvements in Syria, Afghanistan, etc, etc. All meaningless excuses just to sell 'weaponry' in the meantime. After Syria, it will be Yemen and Quatar  After that, its back to Libya. 

Are you asking me to prove that when people say pagans, they mean pagans, and create a narrative around meaning what they say? Is it so unusual for Muslims to mean what they say that you expect me to quote them making a point of it?

Are you asking me to disprove your claim because you have no evidence at all to back it up? It is your claim. How many pages do you plan to stretch your obfuscation over?

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2018 at 12:56pm:


No that would be stupid.

What I'm asking actually makes sense. I'm asking you what different versions of history muslims have vis my definition of pre-Islamic arab pagans. I've been asking you for 3 pages and counting. So far not one. zilch, zip.

Has it dawned on you yet how idiotic the answer "that pagans are pagans" is? I certainly hope it has.