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Reply #60 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:23am
 
So if we have to give everything to the abos..what does the white Australian get?

Those who think the land was STOLEN are a bloody disgrace......NO ONE OWNS THE LAND! PERIOD!!
Gov have fooled you lot i to believing you do. You own nothing. You spend your life paying a bank for something you never own.
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Reply #61 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:15pm:
Now, how about you answer my questions

Ok
Let's have a sensible discussion about exactly what the Aboriginals Need, Want and Expect.

Let's assume theoretically, that the Australian government have decided to agree to any and all demands of the Aboriginals in an attempt to satisfy their demands.

What do the Aboriginals NEED

What do the Aboriginals WANT

What do the Aboriginals EXPECT.

This is a brainstorming session, so it's no holds barred

Just state what as clearly as possible.


They probably need, want, and expect, people like you to leave this country.

One can hardly blame them.



You should head up the first boat load out Capn Peccarhead.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #62 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:28am
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.


Go eat your arse.


Oh, Grap triggered.

Rule Number 1: NO PERSON IN AUSTRALIA HAS HAD IT WORSE THAN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. FULL STOP.


The perpetual victim & guilt industry enabler.  Roll Eyes

They really didn't have an idyllic life pre-colonisation either.
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Reply #63 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:43am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.


Go eat your arse.


Oh, Grap triggered.

Rule Number 1: NO PERSON IN AUSTRALIA HAS HAD IT WORSE THAN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. FULL STOP.


Wrong.


We all like to think that ‘we’ve had it the toughest’ it makes us feel better about ourselves. I can tell you with absolute certainty Grap that the indigenous peoples experiences institutional racism and oppression. When it becomes institutionalised, it’s hard to undo.
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Reply #64 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:28am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.


Go eat your arse.


Oh, Grap triggered.

Rule Number 1: NO PERSON IN AUSTRALIA HAS HAD IT WORSE THAN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. FULL STOP.


The perpetual victim & guilt industry enabler.  Roll Eyes

They really didn't have an idyllic life pre-colonisation either.


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.
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Reply #65 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:28am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.


Go eat your arse.


Oh, Grap triggered.

Rule Number 1: NO PERSON IN AUSTRALIA HAS HAD IT WORSE THAN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. FULL STOP.


The perpetual victim & guilt industry enabler.  Roll Eyes

They really didn't have an idyllic life pre-colonisation either.


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.


With a disease riddled, unhealthy, violent lifestyle, often cold and hungry, and with a lifespan of around twenty-three, same as the pyramid builders.  That's why it is still part of their 'culture' to breed early and often..... they don't expect to make it to see their children grown in their DNA.

You're dreaming.   Now tell me how the tribes that had an annual migration from the high country to the ocean, where it was warmer in Winter, had a continuous occupation of the land?  they were itinerants with no fixed abode.. no claim to Mt Warning .. sorry.. most of the Aboriginals who live in that area had ancestors who came from other areas  - mass DNA testing should show who was who.
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Reply #66 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am:


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.
Their method of population control was to kill new born babies. 8 year old girls married to 60 year old men. Life was so much better for them. What did the Romans ever do for us?
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Reply #67 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:15am:
With a disease riddled, unhealthy, violent lifestyle, often cold and hungry, and with a lifespan of around twenty-three, same as the pyramid builders.  That's why it is still part of their 'culture' to breed early and often..... they don't expect to make it to see their children grown in their DNA.

You're dreaming.   Now tell me how the tribes that had an annual migration from the high country to the ocean, where it was warmer in Winter, had a continuous occupation of the land?  they were itinerants with no fixed abode.. no claim to Mt Warning .. sorry.. most of the Aboriginals who live in that area had ancestors who came from other areas  - mass DNA testing should show who was who.


Yeah but you're forgetting one thing. If everyone lives the same as you do and you don't know any different lifestyle, then you're more likely to be satisfied. And then, as soon as someone comes along and imposes a completely alien system that you're not prepared for, do you think you're likely to succeed?

If I suddenly took over Sydney with goons, and imposed a Chinese-style society over Sydney residents: i.e. everyone has to speak Chinese; Han Chinese people get priority in jobs and housing, which involved kicking people out of their homes; and take children from their families and put them in Communist Party re-education centres; and I completely recognised society along those lines, do you think that you would succeed?? You would probably be thrown in poverty and out on your arse in a moment. That's what happened to the Indigenous peoples.
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Reply #68 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:34am
 
rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:27am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am:


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.
Their method of population control was to kill new born babies. 8 year old girls married to 60 year old men. Life was so much better for them. What did the Romans ever do for us?


Do you have evidence to support your claims that 8 year girls married 60 year old men? Or are you viewing the lifestyle of the Indigenous peoples through your prejudiced lens of Islam?
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Reply #69 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:50am
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 7:28am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:42pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:20pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.


Go eat your arse.


Oh, Grap triggered.

Rule Number 1: NO PERSON IN AUSTRALIA HAS HAD IT WORSE THAN THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. FULL STOP.


The perpetual victim & guilt industry enabler.  Roll Eyes

They really didn't have an idyllic life pre-colonisation either.


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.


Well a good many would be leading much much better lives than their pre-colonisation ancestors and the ratio will only improve with time.
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Reply #70 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:51am
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:34am:
rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:27am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am:


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.
Their method of population control was to kill new born babies. 8 year old girls married to 60 year old men. Life was so much better for them. What did the Romans ever do for us?


Do you have evidence to support your claims that 8 year girls married 60 year old men? Or are you viewing the lifestyle of the Indigenous peoples through your prejudiced lens of Islam?

Unlike most here I have lived amongst Islamic cultures, Im also on record as stating that i dont see the Islam religion as the main issue but the culture which uses it as a justification for their abhorrent cultural practises. If you did at least a little basic research about Aboriginal culture you will find I am exactly right. Anything else you want to be wrong about today? I really do not understand why some of you people make statements without obtaining at least a little knowledge on the subjects at hand first.
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A NEW report has called for the outlawing of traditional Aboriginal customs in remote communities that sanction violence against women and children and the promised marriage of girls as young as four.

The report, by Sydney academic Helen Hughes, calls for the age that girls can marry in remote communities to be raised to 18, the age that both the bride and groom must be to marry in the rest of Australia.

Professor Hughes' call follows a controversial decision by the Northern Territory's Chief Justice, Brian Martin, last month to sentence a 55-year-old Aboriginal elder to only four weeks' jail for hitting his 14-year-old "promised wife" with a boomerang and having forced anal sex with her.

The girl's family had promised her to the man under traditional law when she was only four.

https://www.theage.com.au/news/national/aboriginal-child-bride-laws-attacked/2005/09/21/1126982123475.html
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Reply #72 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:51am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:34am:
rhino wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:27am:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 10:45am:


How naive you are to believe that they are better off now than before. Before, there was no institutional oppression against them or their way of life. They lived their lives with completely autonomy and independence.
Their method of population control was to kill new born babies. 8 year old girls married to 60 year old men. Life was so much better for them. What did the Romans ever do for us?


Do you have evidence to support your claims that 8 year girls married 60 year old men? Or are you viewing the lifestyle of the Indigenous peoples through your prejudiced lens of Islam?

Unlike most here I have lived amongst Islamic cultures, Im also on record as stating that i dont see the Islam religion as the main issue but the culture which uses it as a justification for their abhorrent cultural practises. If you did at least a little basic research about Aboriginal culture you will find I am exactly right. Anything else you want to be wrong about today? I really do not understand why some of you people make statements without obtaining at least a little knowledge on the subjects at hand first.


The religion is a reflection of the underlying culture, and now they prop each other up.
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Reply #73 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:12pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:32am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:15am:
With a disease riddled, unhealthy, violent lifestyle, often cold and hungry, and with a lifespan of around twenty-three, same as the pyramid builders.  That's why it is still part of their 'culture' to breed early and often..... they don't expect to make it to see their children grown in their DNA.

You're dreaming.   Now tell me how the tribes that had an annual migration from the high country to the ocean, where it was warmer in Winter, had a continuous occupation of the land?  they were itinerants with no fixed abode.. no claim to Mt Warning .. sorry.. most of the Aboriginals who live in that area had ancestors who came from other areas  - mass DNA testing should show who was who.


Yeah but you're forgetting one thing. If everyone lives the same as you do and you don't know any different lifestyle, then you're more likely to be satisfied. And then, as soon as someone comes along and imposes a completely alien system that you're not prepared for, do you think you're likely to succeed?

If I suddenly took over Sydney with goons, and imposed a Chinese-style society over Sydney residents: i.e. everyone has to speak Chinese; Han Chinese people get priority in jobs and housing, which involved kicking people out of their homes; and take children from their families and put them in Communist Party re-education centres; and I completely recognised society along those lines, do you think that you would succeed?? You would probably be thrown in poverty and out on your arse in a moment. That's what happened to the Indigenous peoples.


You'd have a point if we were talking about roughly equal societies in competition... in the case of Aboriginals we are not, since their society and 'culture' was considerably lower on the scale than that which transplanted them.

Other than that - taking your example of Chinee over-taking Oz - we are talking more an emotion or subjective state rather than a physical one, since the overall well-being (without oppressios etc) would be roughly equal and possibly in some ways better.

In the case of the Aboriginals - over the course of 200+ years - it has gotten considerably better... walkabout with spear has now become LandCruiserabout with firearm... while clad in warm clothes and with sleeping bags etc and some canned food etc...
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Reply #74 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:17pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:32am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 11:15am:
With a disease riddled, unhealthy, violent lifestyle, often cold and hungry, and with a lifespan of around twenty-three, same as the pyramid builders.  That's why it is still part of their 'culture' to breed early and often..... they don't expect to make it to see their children grown in their DNA.

You're dreaming.   Now tell me how the tribes that had an annual migration from the high country to the ocean, where it was warmer in Winter, had a continuous occupation of the land?  they were itinerants with no fixed abode.. no claim to Mt Warning .. sorry.. most of the Aboriginals who live in that area had ancestors who came from other areas  - mass DNA testing should show who was who.


Yeah but you're forgetting one thing. If everyone lives the same as you do and you don't know any different lifestyle, then you're more likely to be satisfied. And then, as soon as someone comes along and imposes a completely alien system that you're not prepared for, do you think you're likely to succeed?

If I suddenly took over Sydney with goons, and imposed a Chinese-style society over Sydney residents: i.e. everyone has to speak Chinese; Han Chinese people get priority in jobs and housing, which involved kicking people out of their homes; and take children from their families and put them in Communist Party re-education centres; and I completely recognised society along those lines, do you think that you would succeed?? You would probably be thrown in poverty and out on your arse in a moment. That's what happened to the Indigenous peoples.


You'd have a point if we were talking about roughly equal societies in competition... in the case of Aboriginals we are not, since their society and 'culture' was considerably lower on the scale than that which transplanted them.

Other than that - taking your example of Chinee over-taking Oz - we are talking more an emotion or subjective state rather than a physical one, since the overall well-being (without oppressios etc) would be roughly equal and possibly in some ways better.

In the case of the Aboriginals - over the course of 200+ years - it has gotten considerably better... walkabout with spear has now become LandCruiserabout with firearm... while clad in warm clothes and with sleeping bags etc and some canned food etc...


I'd also like to ask people what would they see as an alternative?

The natural progression for something like this is for initially things to go bad for one culture then steadily improve throughout their transition period.

Eventually in time, the two cultures will be indistinguishable.




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