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Re: What would be enough
Reply #30 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
I wish I had been given the fair go my aboriginal brothers get.

Free education right through uni would have been great

Special treatment at centalink

First in line for free housing

Paid to go to school

Yep, sounds like we treat them so badly.


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Reply #31 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
What was that aboriginal program they ran on SBS which showed a totally different side to their community that was filled with successful people in all walks of life? It was a weekly window on a part of urban aboriginal society which otherwise never gets exposure in the mainstream media. These were interesting and sophisticated indigenous Australians with lots to say and not a hint of whinge or Aboriginal Nationalism.

Aboriginal Australia is a broad parish that includes the whingers, the bludgers, and the criminals ~ right through to those who quietly beaver away alongside the rest of us in mainstream society.

caricaturing them all with the same brush as losers and feckless parasites upon the taxpayer does many of them a grievous injustice.

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Reply #32 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.
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Reply #33 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
You didn't light that fire, did you Unforgiven?? Huh
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Reply #34 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
You didn't light that fire, did you Unforgiven?? Huh


I lit a fire under some conservatives who went incendiary.

It could have been Grappler falling out of his tree hitting a rock with his head causing sparks.
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Reply #35 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:48pm
 
All those idiots who claim that we have done enough (i.e. Valkie). You need to remember one key thing: when racism is institutional, as it was in Australia for a long time, it's very hard to change those institutions for the future. Throwing money doesn't fix an institution if the institution is already rotten.

Those who claim that they've been raised in a tough environment, blah blah blah, there were no institutional disadvantages against you. Because of the status of non-indigenous, you were socialised much more easily into existing institutions, which is already an advantage over indigenous people.

When you learn to consider structures and institutions, you then learn that institutions govern behaviour very effectively. It's very difficult to succeed when the institution is against you.
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #36 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
I wish I had been given the fair go my aboriginal brothers get.

Free education right through uni would have been great

Special treatment at centalink

First in line for free housing

Paid to go to school

Yep, sounds like we treat them so badly.


That you say this indicates your naivity. It's always more complicated that just 'throwing money at the problem'.
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #37 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
I wish I had been given the fair go my aboriginal brothers get.

Free education right through uni would have been great

Special treatment at centalink

First in line for free housing

Paid to go to school

Yep, sounds like we treat them so badly.


That you say this indicates your naivity. It's always more complicated that just 'throwing money at the problem'.


Yeah , year,

Whatever..............
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #38 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
I wish I had been given the fair go my aboriginal brothers get.

Free education right through uni would have been great

Special treatment at centalink

First in line for free housing

Paid to go to school

Yep, sounds like we treat them so badly.


That you say this indicates your naivity. It's always more complicated that just 'throwing money at the problem'.


Yeah , year,

Whatever..............
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Reply #39 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 5:51pm:
I wish I had been given the fair go my aboriginal brothers get.

Free education right through uni would have been great

Special treatment at centalink

First in line for free housing

Paid to go to school

Yep, sounds like we treat them so badly.


That you say this indicates your naivity. It's always more complicated that just 'throwing money at the problem'.


Yeah , year,

Whatever..............


Ok, here are three questions for you, which I hope you can answer.

1) why do many aboriginals who live in the city not speak English properly?

2) why are many Aboriginal women fat?

3) why do they often carry on on the bus or on the street, shouting to each other?
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Reply #40 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:13pm
 
Ok, here are three questions for you, which I hope you can answer.

1) why do many aboriginals who live in the city not speak English properly?

Probably because they don't go to school and know they will get a free ride.
In a suburb near me, aboriginals live in hovels, broken doors, smashed windows, scrub that was once grass.
Once they have destroyed the place sufficiently, they get another house to destroy.
WHY? Because it all comes so easy that they have no ownership or respect for other people's property or themselves

2) why are many Aboriginal women fat?
Only as they get older, the young ones platy and run with all the other children.
As they get older they lose respect for themselves and just eat crap, because they are too lazy to buy food and cook it themselves

3) why do they often carry on on the bus or on the street, shouting to each other? [/quote]
Not sure about that one
I avoid busses and trains like the plague, mainly because they are full of people carrying communicable desease.
On the street however, they shout, yell fight, insult people so they will be noticed
And why do they want to be noticed?
So they can scream racism and claim they are abused because they are abbos
Not because they are crude,  loudmouthed louts

Answer your questions?
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #41 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:15pm
 
Now, how about you answer my questions

Ok
Let's have a sensible discussion about exactly what the Aboriginals Need, Want and Expect.

Let's assume theoretically, that the Australian government have decided to agree to any and all demands of the Aboriginals in an attempt to satisfy their demands.

What do the Aboriginals NEED

What do the Aboriginals WANT

What do the Aboriginals EXPECT.

This is a brainstorming session, so it's no holds barred

Just state what as clearly as possible.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #42 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.


Spoken like a surreptitious, insidious bigot.

How would British Aboriginal Grappler born with a foot in his mouth know?

Stick to publishing your fantasies about being a war hero.


Go eat your arse.
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #43 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:21pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:37pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
You didn't light that fire, did you Unforgiven?? Huh


I lit a fire under some conservatives who went incendiary.

It could have been Grappler falling out of his tree hitting a rock with his head causing sparks.


Bite your arse.
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Reply #44 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:23pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:15pm:
Now, how about you answer my questions

Ok
Let's have a sensible discussion about exactly what the Aboriginals Need, Want and Expect.

Let's assume theoretically, that the Australian government have decided to agree to any and all demands of the Aboriginals in an attempt to satisfy their demands.

What do the Aboriginals NEED

What do the Aboriginals WANT

What do the Aboriginals EXPECT.

This is a brainstorming session, so it's no holds barred

Just state what as clearly as possible.


They probably need, want, and expect, people like you to leave this country.

One can hardly blame them.

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