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Re: What would be enough
Reply #105 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:25pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
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They oppressed each other ..... the different tribal groups & clan groups.

They still do it today.

You're so full of guilt & BS.


Ok, Mr. Smartypants.

Explain how warring with each other in tribes make it easy for them to transition into an industrialized society??


They've had 232 years to give it a crack.  Roll Eyes


And how long did it take us?

More than 2500 years meeting all the conditions necessary to become an industralised society, not to mention two world wars, and the death of millions of people in process.

They're not even 5 percent of the way there.


Actually this is interesting and I've mentioned something about this before.

Aboriginals suffered at the hands of the British and Australians, sure.

However, they've had a civilisation handed to them on a silver platter that took 2500 of slaughter to attain. It's almost like they were given access to a wormhole and have been propelled 5000 (probably more) from stone and to space age in  a few hundred years.

They paid a very small cost to reach modernity compared to everyone else.


Doesn't matter, Gordie. It only works if the society to which it is given has the necessary conditions already in place.

The prerequisite of industralisation is feudalism. The indigenous peoples didn't meet that condition, so the access doesn't matter.

EDIT: you can't go from hunter-gatherer to industralisation straightaway, you have to go through stages first, otherwise it doesn't work.


That's why I said we should ramp up integration with education. Leaving them thinking there is any chance of retaining the old way will only prolong their suffering as fringe dwellers.
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #106 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:27pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
They oppressed each other ..... the different tribal groups & clan groups.

They still do it today.

You're so full of guilt & BS.


Ok, Mr. Smartypants.

Explain how warring with each other in tribes make it easy for them to transition into an industrialized society??


They've had 232 years to give it a crack.  Roll Eyes


And how long did it take us?

More than 2500 years meeting all the conditions necessary to become an industralised society, not to mention two world wars, and the death of millions of people in process.

They're not even 5 percent of the way there.


Actually this is interesting and I've mentioned something about this before.

Aboriginals suffered at the hands of the British and Australians, sure.

However, they've had a civilisation handed to them on a silver platter that took 2500 of slaughter to attain. It's almost like they were given access to a wormhole and have been propelled 5000 (probably more) from stone and to space age in  a few hundred years.

They paid a very small cost to reach modernity compared to everyone else.


Doesn't matter, Gordie. It only works if the society to which it is given has the necessary conditions already in place.

The prerequisite of industralisation is feudalism. The indigenous peoples didn't meet that condition, so the access doesn't matter.

EDIT: you can't go from hunter-gatherer to industralisation straightaway, you have to go through stages first, otherwise it doesn't work.


That's why I said we should ramp up integration with education. Leaving them thinking there is any chance of retaining the old way will only prolong their suffering as fringe dwellers.


Fair enough, so long as you recognise that the indigenous peoples don't meet the conditions necessary to progress to an industrialised society within a short period of time. 200 odd years isn't enough time. It took more than 5000 years to get from hunter-gatherer to complex civilization, and a further 5000 years to get from civilization to enlightenment.
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #107 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:35pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
They oppressed each other ..... the different tribal groups & clan groups.

They still do it today.

You're so full of guilt & BS.


Ok, Mr. Smartypants.

Explain how warring with each other in tribes make it easy for them to transition into an industrialized society??


They've had 232 years to give it a crack.  Roll Eyes


And how long did it take us?

More than 2500 years meeting all the conditions necessary to become an industralised society, not to mention two world wars, and the death of millions of people in process.

They're not even 5 percent of the way there.


Actually this is interesting and I've mentioned something about this before.

Aboriginals suffered at the hands of the British and Australians, sure.

However, they've had a civilisation handed to them on a silver platter that took 2500 of slaughter to attain. It's almost like they were given access to a wormhole and have been propelled 5000 (probably more) from stone and to space age in  a few hundred years.

They paid a very small cost to reach modernity compared to everyone else.


Doesn't matter, Gordie. It only works if the society to which it is given has the necessary conditions already in place.

The prerequisite of industralisation is feudalism. The indigenous peoples didn't meet that condition, so the access doesn't matter.

EDIT: you can't go from hunter-gatherer to industralisation straightaway, you have to go through stages first, otherwise it doesn't work.


That's why I said we should ramp up integration with education. Leaving them thinking there is any chance of retaining the old way will only prolong their suffering as fringe dwellers.


Fair enough, so long as you recognise that the indigenous peoples don't meet the conditions necessary to progress to an industrialised society within a short period of time. 200 odd years isn't enough time. It took more than 5000 years to get from hunter-gatherer to complex civilization, and a further 5000 years to get from civilization to enlightenment.


I think you're off course here a bit.

You don't need to know how to make a car to be able to drive one. They don't need to reinvent the wheel. They don't need to reenact our history to function in the society we've created.

Hmm ok I kind of see what you're saying. They can't have the hunter gatherer mindset AND modernity at the same time, but individually they can choose modernity.


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Re: What would be enough
Reply #108 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:38pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:35pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:27pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
They oppressed each other ..... the different tribal groups & clan groups.

They still do it today.

You're so full of guilt & BS.


Ok, Mr. Smartypants.

Explain how warring with each other in tribes make it easy for them to transition into an industrialized society??


They've had 232 years to give it a crack.  Roll Eyes


And how long did it take us?

More than 2500 years meeting all the conditions necessary to become an industralised society, not to mention two world wars, and the death of millions of people in process.

They're not even 5 percent of the way there.


Actually this is interesting and I've mentioned something about this before.

Aboriginals suffered at the hands of the British and Australians, sure.

However, they've had a civilisation handed to them on a silver platter that took 2500 of slaughter to attain. It's almost like they were given access to a wormhole and have been propelled 5000 (probably more) from stone and to space age in  a few hundred years.

They paid a very small cost to reach modernity compared to everyone else.


Doesn't matter, Gordie. It only works if the society to which it is given has the necessary conditions already in place.

The prerequisite of industralisation is feudalism. The indigenous peoples didn't meet that condition, so the access doesn't matter.

EDIT: you can't go from hunter-gatherer to industralisation straightaway, you have to go through stages first, otherwise it doesn't work.


That's why I said we should ramp up integration with education. Leaving them thinking there is any chance of retaining the old way will only prolong their suffering as fringe dwellers.


Fair enough, so long as you recognise that the indigenous peoples don't meet the conditions necessary to progress to an industrialised society within a short period of time. 200 odd years isn't enough time. It took more than 5000 years to get from hunter-gatherer to complex civilization, and a further 5000 years to get from civilization to enlightenment.


I think you're off course here a bit.

You don't need to know how to make a car to be able to drive one. They don't need to reinvent the wheel. They don't need to reenact our history to function in the society we've created.

Hmm ok I kind of see what you're saying. They can't have the hunter gatherer mindset AND modernity at the same time, but individually they can choose modernity.




Sure, they can choose individually to do so. It's also true that individuals are often constraints by the institutions in which they raised or live in.
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Re: What would be enough
Reply #109 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:40pm
 
Nothing.

It’s not about enough.

It’s about maintaining the rage, never taking responsibility, always having someone or something to blame.

A classic I reckon are the lazy fat alco turds living in the shadow of the missive open cut at Kalgoorlie. “where’s our money, where’s our money”

Get off your lazy fat black arses and get a job ffs....  Roll Eyes

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Reply #110 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:43pm
 
Black Man says: "You take Australia from us Black peoples, we take your 'MEDIA'."

Yep - only white guys on Media are gay ones and poor ones. Grin Grin Grin


Aboriginals take 222 years to become 'civilised'.
British took 800 years via Rome to become 'civilised'.
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Reply #111 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:51pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
They oppressed each other ..... the different tribal groups & clan groups.

They still do it today.

You're so full of guilt & BS.


Ok, Mr. Smartypants.

Explain how warring with each other in tribes make it easy for them to transition into an industrialized society??


They've had 232 years to give it a crack.  Roll Eyes


And how long did it take us?

More than 2500 years meeting all the conditions necessary to become an industralised society, not to mention two world wars, and the death of millions of people in process.

They're not even 5 percent of the way there.


Actually this is interesting and I've mentioned something about this before.

Aboriginals suffered at the hands of the British and Australians, sure.

However, they've had a civilisation handed to them on a silver platter that took 2500 of slaughter to attain. It's almost like they were given access to a wormhole and have been propelled 5000 (probably more) from stone and to space age in  a few hundred years.

They paid a very small cost to reach modernity compared to everyone else.


Doesn't matter, Gordie. It only works if the society to which it is given has the necessary conditions already in place.

The prerequisite of industralisation is feudalism. The indigenous peoples didn't meet that condition, so the access doesn't matter.

EDIT: you can't go from hunter-gatherer to industralisation straightaway, you have to go through stages first, otherwise it doesn't work.

Why is feudalism the prerequisite?
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Reply #112 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:54pm
 
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Nothing.

It’s not about enough.

It’s about maintaining the rage, never taking responsibility, always having someone or something to blame.

A classic I reckon are the lazy fat alco turds living in the shadow of the missive open cut at Kalgoorlie. “where’s our money, where’s our money”

Get off your lazy fat black arses and get a job ffs....  Roll Eyes


IN MY OPINION THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ANGRY!
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Reply #113 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Nothing.

It’s not about enough.

It’s about maintaining the rage, never taking responsibility, always having someone or something to blame.

A classic I reckon are the lazy fat alco turds living in the shadow of the missive open cut at Kalgoorlie. “where’s our money, where’s our money”

Get off your lazy fat black arses and get a job ffs....  Roll Eyes


IN MY OPINION THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ANGRY!


Fair enough.

But angry, lazy, blaming, irresponsible, drug addled, abusive, dirty, dependant...... Roll Eyes

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Reply #114 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 3:04pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:50pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:22pm:
They oppressed each other ..... the different tribal groups & clan groups.

They still do it today.

You're so full of guilt & BS.


Ok, Mr. Smartypants.

Explain how warring with each other in tribes make it easy for them to transition into an industrialized society??


They've had 232 years to give it a crack.  Roll Eyes


And how long did it take us?

More than 2500 years meeting all the conditions necessary to become an industralised society, not to mention two world wars, and the death of millions of people in process.

They're not even 5 percent of the way there.


Actually this is interesting and I've mentioned something about this before.

Aboriginals suffered at the hands of the British and Australians, sure.

However, they've had a civilisation handed to them on a silver platter that took 2500 of slaughter to attain. It's almost like they were given access to a wormhole and have been propelled 5000 (probably more) from stone and to space age in  a few hundred years.

They paid a very small cost to reach modernity compared to everyone else.


Doesn't matter, Gordie. It only works if the society to which it is given has the necessary conditions already in place.

The prerequisite of industralisation is feudalism. The indigenous peoples didn't meet that condition, so the access doesn't matter.

EDIT: you can't go from hunter-gatherer to industralisation straightaway, you have to go through stages first, otherwise it doesn't work.

Why is feudalism the prerequisite?


Feudalism is a pre-requisite because of the advancements in agriculture which it creates. Also, it enshrined the idea of private property in the form of inclosures, etc.

I should mention also that Feudalism eventually died away in Europe and was replaced by Absolute Rule, thereby returning to centralisation and empires.
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Reply #115 - Apr 19th, 2018 at 1:01am
 
Put the Kangaroo Kaffirs to Feudalism first and then move forward with them....

I say this is all bullshit.  I've known many Kangaroo Kaffirs and many of them are intelligent, but often find themselves in areas where there is NO WORK - for anyone!  This business of assimilating into a tertiary production culture is laughable when you look at the majority of country towns....

What the reality is - is that many Kangaroo Kaffirs feel a sense of entitlement and feel oppressed because they can't get a job, either, and so they turn to alcohol, drugs and criminal behaviour - part of which is 'revenge' on Whitey.... I've met some who actually feel that if they steal from Whitey, they are only getting back what they had stolen.....

When this nation can provide secure jobs and genuine opportunity to get ahead on merit and have those opportunities evenly spread across the nation, rather than being more available in big cities than in the bush - then we might see some changes....

I've lived in the city and in the bush - and let me tell you - finding a job in the bush is one hell of a lot harder, even though in the cities the floor has collapsed under many avenues of work.  I turn 69 this year, and am still on the lookout for a job part-time.

Now try arguing the REASONS for this and not attack those who ask for reasonable answers to important questions about Aboriginals.
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