Auggie
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Gnads wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 2:01pm: Auggie wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 1:54pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 1:51pm: Auggie wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 1:34pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 1:26pm: Auggie wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 1:15pm: Gordon wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 12:17pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 12:12pm: Auggie wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 11:32am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 18 th, 2018 at 11:15am: With a disease riddled, unhealthy, violent lifestyle, often cold and hungry, and with a lifespan of around twenty-three, same as the pyramid builders. That's why it is still part of their 'culture' to breed early and often..... they don't expect to make it to see their children grown in their DNA.
You're dreaming. Now tell me how the tribes that had an annual migration from the high country to the ocean, where it was warmer in Winter, had a continuous occupation of the land? they were itinerants with no fixed abode.. no claim to Mt Warning .. sorry.. most of the Aboriginals who live in that area had ancestors who came from other areas - mass DNA testing should show who was who. Yeah but you're forgetting one thing. If everyone lives the same as you do and you don't know any different lifestyle, then you're more likely to be satisfied. And then, as soon as someone comes along and imposes a completely alien system that you're not prepared for, do you think you're likely to succeed? If I suddenly took over Sydney with goons, and imposed a Chinese-style society over Sydney residents: i.e. everyone has to speak Chinese; Han Chinese people get priority in jobs and housing, which involved kicking people out of their homes; and take children from their families and put them in Communist Party re-education centres; and I completely recognised society along those lines, do you think that you would succeed?? You would probably be thrown in poverty and out on your arse in a moment. That's what happened to the Indigenous peoples. You'd have a point if we were talking about roughly equal societies in competition... in the case of Aboriginals we are not, since their society and 'culture' was considerably lower on the scale than that which transplanted them. Other than that - taking your example of Chinee over-taking Oz - we are talking more an emotion or subjective state rather than a physical one, since the overall well-being (without oppressios etc) would be roughly equal and possibly in some ways better. In the case of the Aboriginals - over the course of 200+ years - it has gotten considerably better... walkabout with spear has now become LandCruiserabout with firearm... while clad in warm clothes and with sleeping bags etc and some canned food etc... I'd also like to ask people what would they see as an alternative? The natural progression for something like this is for initially things to go bad for one culture then steadily improve throughout their transition period. Eventually in time, the two cultures will be indistinguishable. The first thing to do is to recognise that they’ve had it tough by our hand and we owe them our resources and effort to ameliorate their condition to the best of our ability. As to how long it will take? Who knows? It could take 10 years or 10,000 years. I'd prefer to take the majority off drip feed and give the best and brightest a rolled gold first class education. I hate throwing good money after bad. Govt funding for the top 100 private schools would be conditional on giving bright Aboriginal kids scholarships. Getting some more Aboriginal doctors, lawyers and business people out there would help bring them out of the funk they're in. I don't disagree with these measures. But, do you feel guilt for the actions of our predecessors? Because I do. Why? & what good does that do? Because it shows that we as a society must have compassion and continue to further the amelioration of the plight of the indigenous peoples. What we did to the indigenous peoples was shameful, both British and Australians. You can try to dress it up as a civilising mission, but the institutionalisation of racism and oppression was unacceptable. Oh perrrlease ...... & $33billion dollars a year, free education & health care, affirmative action, land rights etc aren't doing that? The OP is "what would be enough?". Obviously you wouldn't have a feckin clue. Correct, because throwing money at a problem doesn't always solve it. These issues are more complex than you make them out to be.
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