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Apr 11th, 2018 at 6:15pm
 
Ok
Let's have a sensible discussion about exactly what the Aboriginals Need, Want and Expect.

Let's assume theoretically, that the Australian government have decided to agree to any and all demands of the Aboriginals in an attempt to satisfy their demands.

What do the Aboriginals NEED

What do the Aboriginals WANT

What do the Aboriginals EXPECT.

This is a brainstorming session, so it's no holds barred

Just state what as clearly as possible.
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Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 6:40pm
 
A lot of the activists seem to want to create a racial divide with some kind of eternal rent or inalienable rights being bequeathed only to those born of the correct parents.
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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 6:47pm
 
Ok
So the first demand
A rent on Australia by other than Aboriginals

How much?
Who gets it?
Who controls it?
How is it handed out?

What will it cost each white Australian
IE, how much extra tax a week?
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Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:37pm
 

The rent thing has been paid many times over.

We need a stricter definition of who is Aboriginal for starters, done by DNA not some mumbo jumbo I think I am aboriginal therefore I am.

Or just ignore aboriginality all together and treat everyone equally.

There are large numbers of aboriginal people from WA and NT living in outcamps or country towns,,, we have to be real about this not many of them can work or want to work in the way the rest of the world expects.

They will be on welfare forever and that will pass down the generations.

Everyone should just come to terms with that and stop throwing good money after bad like we are now.
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
The sad thing is that no matter what you give the silly bastards - they will still be no better off.

Giving them the keys to Ayers Rock and Mt Warning will do not one thing to change their real situation, and will only make them less acceptable to others in the nation.  I'd go so far as to say it will undo the rather haphazard upward movement in their acceptability to the majority created with 'the apology'.. Instead of accepting that and moving on - they - like every other small and selfish group - used it as a platform from which to launch more and more insanity upon the majority.

When 3% of the population can wag to dog of the rest - there is something wrong.

What they want is anything they can get for nothing.

What they need is to get into the 21st Century and realise they are now a small proportion of the Australian population and they need to get in line with the rest and earn their way.

What politicians and governments need to do is start saying NO, and forget about the screeching press and the ranting 'racist' nonsense.  It's Racist to isolate Ayers Rock and Mt Warning for the exclusive use of a few of a certain kind - it is not racist to want to enjoy those things like everyone else.  I doubt that any single one of us here ever abused a Black or deprived or robbed a Black of anything*... yet they expect us all to take responsibility for the actions of others and of governments and agencies past which we had nothing to do with, and they expect us to accept exclusion from interesting areas just to suit them.

Falc em!

* unlike the bullshit photos master light tried to push on me last night as if I had anything to do with Kaffirs in chains.... I never laid a hand on them Niqqers... and I'm not responsible for it happening.  Adios, light - you've lost me as well, along with your Niqqer mates and pals.
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Reply #5 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 5:21am
 
You see
This is a perfect example of what the problem is.

All I asked for, from the horses mouth so to speak, is
What do our Aboriginals NEED
What do or Aboriginals WANT
And
What do our Aboriginals EXPECT

They have carte blanche to discuss openly these things here
I do not wish to judge them, simply gain an understanding of their needs, wants and expectations.

But once again they cannot be bothered

Like a child who wants more and more, without actually knowing what it wants, they just keep demanding.

Let me help a bit
Letas run through the demands of the past.
1) equal rights to whites.
2) their land back
3) rent for their land
4) compensation for their land
5) compensation for stolen children
6) allowed to control their own lives
7) free housing

These are things they have demanded and to some extent gained

But in the long term, WHAT;
DO THEY NEED
DO THEY WANT
DO THEY EXPECT

Continually demanding without a plan is both infantile and pointless.

Surely someone here has some idea of these things

Then we can see how or even if these things are achievable


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Reply #6 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 6:29am
 
Abos already get too much money from my taxes.
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Reply #7 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 7:11pm
 
It would appear that they don't know what they want

They just want it, and they want it now.

How about I help a bit here

They want RENT for their land
Ok
How much rent?
Who gets it?
How is it to be distributed?

They want their land back
Ok
We all know that's never gonna happen
But we can give them vacant land
Now
What will they do with it
From past experience, they will sell it, fair enough
But once sold, it's sold, no more demanding the land back again and again.

They want special previlidges
Ok
What previlidges?
And who gets them?
Full blood only?
Half blood?
Anyone who calls themselves abbo?
Please clarify
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Reply #8 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, white fellas.  Not a black fella amongst 'em but they reckon they can tell black fellas how to live their lives.   Obviously they have learnt nothing from the past history of that being done.   Bugger me, looks like all the problems of dictating to people have passed 'em by.  Paternalism didn't work.  Genocide didn't work, except in Tasmania.   No full blood black fellas there now, hey?  Now they just want to make all the Black fellas act like white fellas.

You lot appear to forget, white fellas stole this land from the black fellas.  White fellas destroyed their families, stole their children, tried to turn 'em to white fellas.  Did that work?  Nope.

Perhaps instead of dictating to others, you should ask them what they want and need?   Why should they become white fellas?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 7:32pm
 
Bwyannnnnnnn
What part of this post do I state that?

I am asking what they NEED, WANT AND EXPECT.

All I get from you is a pointless racist rambling load of hogwash.

Now if you have nothing sensible to add
Take your pathetic take, take and shove it up your analkarnal.
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Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:09pm
 


They need to stop being Aboriginals and start being Australians
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Reply #11 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:45pm
 
miketrees wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:09pm:
They need to stop being Aboriginals and start being Australians



Purr-fect... simply purr-fect!

Now if I went around saying 'No Kaffirs Allowed!' at Gilgai, where my great-great-grandparents are buried near Inverell ... 'ow do you think THAT would go .. ey?  EY?  I ask you?  'Ow Would That Go Across With Your Niqqer 'activists'?

They'd be up in arms about 'Whitey' taking control over a spot in 'their' land....

What the Hell is wrong with governments giving in to every demand from every silly self-interested group - while actively putting the rest down as serfs who'll take what they're given and love it or be punished??

Where has my country gone?
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Reply #12 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 11:31pm
 
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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Graps.  Your country hasn't gone anywhere, except forward.  Nowadays, people get listened to and if their complaints are valid, they get corrected.  The bad ol' days o' Racism are long gone.  Paternalism is dead and buried.  Stolen Generations apologised for.   Black fellas gettin' what they are due it seems.  They now got Native Title, they got right of veto over development on their lands.   Yet they still got White fellas moanin' and complainin' about paying compensation to the Black fellas.  Appears the White fellas forgotten their Constitution that applies to ALL AUSTRALIANS, Black, White, whatever colour.  Government gotta treat everybody the same - no more stealin' land, no more stealin' children.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:07am
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 5:21am:
You see
This is a perfect example of what the problem is.

All I asked for, from the horses mouth so to speak, is
What do our Aboriginals NEED
What do or Aboriginals WANT
And
What do our Aboriginals EXPECT

They have carte blanche to discuss openly these things here
I do not wish to judge them, simply gain an understanding of their needs, wants and expectations.

But once again they cannot be bothered

Like a child who wants more and more, without actually knowing what it wants, they just keep demanding.

Let me help a bit
Letas run through the demands of the past.
1) equal rights to whites.
2) their land back
3) rent for their land
4) compensation for their land
5) compensation for stolen children
6) allowed to control their own lives
7) free housing

These are things they have demanded and to some extent gained

But in the long term, WHAT;
DO THEY NEED
DO THEY WANT
DO THEY EXPECT

Continually demanding without a plan is both infantile and pointless.

Surely someone here has some idea of these things

Then we can see how or even if these things are achievable




Someone needs to hand them a dictionary to look up the word reconciliation and because it is costing us fkken billions for zero return. They should look at the accounting term and not the relationship term, because there is not end to the demands at this point so there is no reconciliation under this use of the term.


reconciliation
noun [ C or U ] UK ​  /ˌrekənˌsɪliˈeɪʃən/ US ​

ACCOUNTING the process of comparing different financial accounts, amounts, etc. in order to check that they add up to the same total or to explain any differences between them:

We haven't done a reconciliation yet.

Like you said How Much?

And if we agree it is fkken done, no more fkken handouts, apologies, nothing, you get the same sh1t as everyone else.


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Reply #14 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:03am
 
I'm still not hearing from those who profess to be Aboriginal or who support Aboriginals.

Is it too hard a question to ask what would you NEED, WANT AND EXPECT from Australia to be satisfied?

It seems that there is always cries of
Give us our land back
Pay us rent
Give us this and that, you owe us.

But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, you all crawl away saying mumble mumble

Now
Pay the rent!
How much do you want?
Who will get it?
Who will administer it?
What criteria gives you access?

Easy enough questions you would think

It's time to put up or shut up
No more whyning about being downtrodden if you can't answer a simple question.

Come on, give us something here.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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