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Reply #90 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:40pm
 
The British created a fertile soil for freedoms to sprout and grow. That can't be said for most societies.
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Reply #91 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:42pm
 
AiA wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:40pm:
The British created a fertile soil for freedoms to sprout and grow. That can't be said for most societies.


Here here.
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Re: If you live in freedom, thank the British Empire
Reply #92 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:43pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.


They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


Waiting....for an edit.....before I respond. 

Far que and your late edits, Effendi....it is a very bad habit you have.  I prepare a response to your post, I publish it and then find you have made later additions.  Happens way too often with you.


So why bother responding? Why not actually wait?
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Re: If you live in freedom, thank the British Empire
Reply #93 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.


They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


Waiting....for an edit.....before I respond. 

Far que and your late edits, Effendi....it is a very bad habit you have.  I prepare a response to your post, I publish it and then find you have made later additions.  Happens way too often with you.


So why bother responding? Why not actually wait?


Oh....what is the prescribed waiting time?  Have you finished now, or must I wait some more to talk about privacy, for example?
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Re: If you live in freedom, thank the British Empire
Reply #94 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:46pm
 
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:42pm:
AiA wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:40pm:
The British created a fertile soil for freedoms to sprout and grow. That can't be said for most societies.


Here here.


There are theories that it was the pre-Norman Anglo-Saxon societies that laid the foundation for later freedoms ...
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Re: If you live in freedom, thank the British Empire
Reply #95 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
AiA wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
John Mothra Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:42pm:
AiA wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:40pm:
The British created a fertile soil for freedoms to sprout and grow. That can't be said for most societies.


Here here.


There are theories that it was the pre-Norman Anglo-Saxon societies that laid the foundation for later freedoms ...


I'm unaware of such theories. Care to elaborate?

In any case, it was the British who spread them and who established them overseas. Empires often pass on the batton: Rome to Britain, for example.
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Reply #96 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.


They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


Waiting....for an edit.....before I respond. 

Far que and your late edits, Effendi....it is a very bad habit you have.  I prepare a response to your post, I publish it and then find you have made later additions.  Happens way too often with you.


So why bother responding? Why not actually wait?


Oh....what is the prescribed waiting time?  Have you finished now, or must I wait some more to talk about privacy, for example?


In the meantime, you're welcome to comment on my responses.
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Re: If you live in freedom, thank the British Empire
Reply #97 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:45pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.


They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


Waiting....for an edit.....before I respond. 

Far que and your late edits, Effendi....it is a very bad habit you have.  I prepare a response to your post, I publish it and then find you have made later additions.  Happens way too often with you.


So why bother responding? Why not actually wait?


Oh....what is the prescribed waiting time?  Have you finished now, or must I wait some more to talk about privacy, for example?


If it bothers you so much, wait. If you can get over it, then respond. I will repost if I think you missed something important.
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Reply #98 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:04pm
 
It bothers me....so I'll wait to make sure you have reached your final position.
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Reply #99 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm
 
No you won't. You will respond before you have put any thought into what you are going to say.
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Reply #100 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
No you won't. You will respond before you have put any thought into what you are going to say.


Not at all Effendi.  I am always happy to respond to you.  I always do.  Shame you do not reciprocate. 

It pisses me off that when I do, and post, I find you have altered the post I was responding to.  You and Agnes do that far too often.
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Reply #101 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:15pm
 
I don't care. You'll get over it.
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Reply #102 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 10:31pm
 
It may not have always been a smooth road and it certainly had its ups and downs - but the basic principles of a fair go were put together at Magna Carta, which began the process by clarifying rights of the 'ruling classes', then was extended by the introduction of The Common Law (which means simply that one law was the law of the land, and not one law for every separate jurisdiction), and gradually through the centuries the rights of all were steadily upgraded under English law and provided the basis for many legal advances, such as the abolition of slavery and even the Royal Navy attacking slavers not of their jurisdiction.

Of course - at every step those with the their hands on the controls, including many in the judiciary, have tried to slow down or even reverse this process for reasons of maintaining some myth of a status quo, lest the peasantry gain too much power and 'get above their station'* - something nowhere seen more clearly than in your Napoleonic figures in this nation, such as John Howard The Infamous Coward and Betrayer Of Worlds.

But the principle remains the same - it was the advances of the English Law that either gave directly further advances in rights and legalities, or inspired others, such as the United States, to build on that basic.

I think you could safely say that much of the rights enjoyed by the many are the result of the British Empire...


* Hush, but I tellz yez - there's be a terrible day of judgement some day soon......

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Reply #103 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
Is it safe for Aussie to respond yet?
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Reply #104 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:24pm:
Is it safe for Aussie to respond yet?


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They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


We have NO inalienable rights as that term is understood in an American context.  Laws can be changed at the whim of Government.
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