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Reply #75 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:00pm
 
Dunno why people just don't read.  Here:

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Aussie, the reason why we don’t have a US style bill of rights is because it is not the British tradition. Our rights are inalienable and don’t need to be enshrined in any constitution. They are protected by the principle of ‘parliamentary soverienty’ (look it up).


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Reply #76 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
Dunno why people just don't read.  Here:

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Aussie, the reason why we don’t have a US style bill of rights is because it is not the British tradition. Our rights are inalienable and don’t need to be enshrined in any constitution. They are protected by the principle of ‘parliamentary soverienty’ (look it up).




Perhaps I didn't read it because you did not link it and I did not want to go back to find it. Quote properly and there would be no problem.

I disagree with that statement.
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Reply #77 - Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:25pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:38am:
freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:34am:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 9:29am:
I said ~ The video presents a position of flawless virtue.

That'd be my imagination, Effendi.


I thought so. Do you have a problem with anything it actually says? Or only what it doesn't say?


Yes.  Do you?


So, do you disagree that the British spread the idea of liberty, and the rule of law through its colonies??


Yes.....they spread suppression until they had control,  or lost control, and then....when time passed, the Rule of Law was adopted in most of the former Colonies.  But, their initial intent was domination, colonisation, and even genocide of anyone who stood in their way.  For example, the Maoris fought back, beat them, and "Waitangi" was created.

They were booted out of India, but wise heads there saw that a viable infrastructure had been put in place.

Same in Kenya, and probably other places I have no personal familiarity with.  They left Kenya when Kenyata the Mao Moa 'terrorists' got uppity.  Many Indian Families left Kenya and fled to India, leaving a viable infrastructure behind.  Those Indians are the initial immigrants into England that people like Herbert are pissed off about.


Why do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


Good question, FD. And why do you think these institutions were adopted in so many former French, Spanish and Portuguese colonies, Aussie?
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Reply #78 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
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There no doubt that Britain did colonise and plunder. It is also true (two things can be true at the same time) that they established infrastructure (as you say) in their colonies, which led to concept of rule of law.

My argument is that in balance the British empire was a force for good. The road to modernity is paved with blood and the British were the worst, EXCEPT for all the other powers.

The freedom you enjoy today and the lifestyle is as a result of our British legacy.


I'll accept most of that.  But....this Liberty/Freedom thing in Australia is questionable.

What are the 'inalienable rights' you say Australians have?


They are exist in our institutions and laws.
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Reply #79 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:18pm
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 11:00pm:
Dunno why people just don't read.  Here:

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Aussie, the reason why we don’t have a US style bill of rights is because it is not the British tradition. Our rights are inalienable and don’t need to be enshrined in any constitution. They are protected by the principle of ‘parliamentary soverienty’ (look it up).




Perhaps I didn't read it because you did not link it and I did not want to go back to find it. Quote properly and there would be no problem.

I disagree with that statement.


With which statement? That rights are inalienable? Or that they don't need to be enshrined in any constitution?
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Reply #80 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2018 at 10:53pm:
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Whoever you are replying to has it.


Auggie.

Can you list these alleged inalienable rights Australians have?


Sure.

1) Freedom of speech;

2) Freedom of association;

3) Freedom to practise one's religion without fear of violence.

4) separation of church and state;

5) rule of law;

6) private property;

7) the pursuit of happiness;

8) life;

And I'm sure there are more but can't think of them at the moment.
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Reply #81 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:21pm
 
Not one of them are regarded as inalienable in this Country.  The ONLY rights we have arise either from the Constitution or by Statute.
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Reply #82 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm
 
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?
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Reply #83 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.
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Reply #84 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


True that.

To give credit to the British - they have always been about fair play. Imagine if Mr Gandhi had gone up against Stalin, Mao, Hitler et al ... we can all imagine the outcome.
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Reply #85 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
Not one of them are regarded as inalienable in this Country.  The ONLY rights we have arise either from the Constitution or by Statute.


Rights don't only exist in laws and statutes, they are also intangible ideas that transcend law or statutes. It's merely a matter of being accepted among our society - like a convention of sort. It is understood and enshrined in the spirit of the people.

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Reply #86 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:33pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.



Jayzuz....another late nifty edit.

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Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


None of them are inalienable (they can all be nuked by Statute) like the right to bear arms is regarded in America where the right, it seems, came from a sky fairy, and then recognised and enshrined in the Constitution.
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Reply #87 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:34pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.


They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?

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None of them are inalienable (they can all be nuked by Statute) like the right to bear arms is regarded in America where the right, it seems, came from a sky fairy, and then recognised and enshrined in the Constitution.


Any law that can be written - statutory, common, constitutional, can also be unwritten the same way. Or just ignored, like the right to bear arms.
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Reply #88 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:35pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.



Jayzuz....another late nifty edit.

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Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


None of them are inalienable (they can all be nuked by Statute) like the right to bear arms is regarded in America where the right, it seems, came from a sky fairy, and then recognised and enshrined in the Constitution.


That's why the British system is superior to the American system. We don't need a Bill of Rights or some Kangaroo Court to tell us what our rights our. We just have them.
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Reply #89 - Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.


Rubbish.  The only rights I have are those given to me by the Constitution, Statute or common law.  None of them are regarded as inalienable in Australia.


They are recognised by law. That is not the same thing as how you got them. Which is why you are struggling so hard to disagree with me.

Rights don't arise from a piece of paper Aussie. They arise from your willingness to defend them.

Why (other than because they think it's a good idea, duh) do you think institutions like the rule of law, democracy, personal liberty etc were adopted in so many former British colonies Aussie?


Waiting....for an edit.....before I respond. 

Far que and your late edits, Effendi....it is a very bad habit you have.  I prepare a response to your post, I publish it and then find you have made later additions.  Happens way too often with you.

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