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Re: If you live in freedom, thank the British Empire
Reply #30 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 12:38am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:57pm:


Ancient history - move on.  We don't do corporate punishment here - for those who don't know what that means, we don't punish an entire group for the sins of a few.... only those few are punished, so it's time for the Niqqers to stop their war against Whitey - lest it come back to bite them in the arse.

Gee - if they did that, they might have a few less in prison...... just for a start... make room for a few more Mussos.....
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Reply #31 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:46am
 

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Ancient history - move on.  We don't do corporate punishment here - for those who don't know what that means, we don't punish an entire group for the sins of a few.... only those few are punished, so it's time for the Niqqers to stop their war against Whitey - lest it come back to bite them in the arse.

Gee - if they did that, they might have a few less in prison...... just for a start... make room for a few more Mussos.....


Its not "their" war on whitie. Its those neurotic new-age whities, and their distorted moralising, which makes war on themselves. Most of these Leftist do-gooders think African slavery began and ended the Americas. Such revisionist history never takes into account that the Muzlims carried on African slavery long before and long after, emancipation in the Americas.

And so these candle sniffing new age leftists wring their hands and wail about their inherited guilt.

Not this little black duck. (And if you are so unfamiliar with history, its a shooting gallery metaphor)


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Reply #32 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:54am
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:06pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Aussie, prior to the arrival of the British, for how much of India's history did they have a functioning democracy?


None, to my knowledge.  It seems they were happy little vegemites doing what happy little Indian vegemites did way back then including pissing Alexander off back from whence he came.


No need to get all racist Aussie. Are you saying vegemite people enjoy living living under dictatorship?


They obviously did until the Brits stuffed it up.


How do you know this Aussie? Do you think people actually chose to live under dictatorship for most of our history?
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Reply #33 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:57am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:54pm:


A link to an Afro- American specific publication.

A publication that portrays Winnie Mandela as a hero instead of the murdering(her own people) corrupt, terror supporting person she was.

Credibility zero.
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Reply #34 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:59am
 
issuevoter wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:46am:
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Ancient history - move on.  We don't do corporate punishment here - for those who don't know what that means, we don't punish an entire group for the sins of a few.... only those few are punished, so it's time for the Niqqers to stop their war against Whitey - lest it come back to bite them in the arse.

Gee - if they did that, they might have a few less in prison...... just for a start... make room for a few more Mussos.....


Its not "their" war on whitie. Its those neurotic new-age whities, and their distorted moralising, which makes war on themselves. Most of these Leftist do-gooders think African slavery began and ended the Americas. Such revisionist history never takes into account that the Muzlims carried on African slavery long before and long after, emancipation in the Americas.

And so these candle sniffing new age leftists wring their hands and wail about their inherited guilt.

Not this little black duck. (And if you are so unfamiliar with history, its a shooting gallery metaphor)




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Reply #35 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 9:45am
 
issuevoter wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:46am:
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Ancient history - move on.  We don't do corporate punishment here - for those who don't know what that means, we don't punish an entire group for the sins of a few.... only those few are punished, so it's time for the Niqqers to stop their war against Whitey - lest it come back to bite them in the arse.

Gee - if they did that, they might have a few less in prison...... just for a start... make room for a few more Mussos.....


Its not "their" war on whitie. Its those neurotic new-age whities, and their distorted moralising, which makes war on themselves. Most of these Leftist do-gooders think African slavery began and ended the Americas. Such revisionist history never takes into account that the Muzlims carried on African slavery long before and long after, emancipation in the Americas.

And so these candle sniffing new age leftists wring their hands and wail about their inherited guilt.

Not this little black duck. (And if you are so unfamiliar with history, its a shooting gallery metaphor)





Cet petit canard noir?  Unfamiliar with 'history'?  No relevance whatsoever - I merely point out that Kangaroo Kaffirs at 3% of the population should beware that they get not what they wish for, and I've pointed out that a paltry 100 turned out to be 'radical' at CommGames Inc, but thousands stayed home and watched.  Jeez - some even competed.....

If the candle sniffers are the cause of the war - some Kaffirs are climbing on board when they can smell dollars in it.... and that's what it's all about pure and simple.

At the moment they are like the 'feminists' (another selfish, self-centred, grasping group), playing the equivalent of the Pussy Card to carry on like loonies at full moon and receiving no just reward for violent and threatening and damaging actions and demands.  That will pass one day and a government of the people will rise and tell them what their place is - the same as everyone else's - earn it or lose it, and the nation can no longer afford you since the government is running a lean and mean ship on its (gasps) CORE duties instead of playing kindergarten teacher handing out lollies.

I'll be quite content to watch some KKs playing NRL tonight and applauding good performance - don't confuse me with the candle sniffers... if there are seven circles of hell to go through in this lifetime or multiple lifetimes (as some would suggest is the case), I've seen five or six... and still ride the crest of the wave in terms of humanity, decency, and thought, and I call a spade a spade ... multiple circles of hell reduce a person to their true being....
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Reply #36 - Apr 12th, 2018 at 9:50am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 12th, 2018 at 8:57am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 10:54pm:


A link to an Afro- American specific publication.

A publication that portrays Winnie Mandela as a hero instead of the murdering(her own people) corrupt, terror supporting person she was.

Credibility zero.


Of course, to the 'black activists' etc, like Winnie Mandela, everything is fair game in their pursuit of 'justice' for their people for 'past crimes' etc - even if it means killing their own people in cruel ways to deliver them from evil and bring the greatest number into the light.

Crazy as an Arab uprising.... and zero relevance to Australia.  Does this mean that
blackvictimhood.com.au
are going to run around 'necklacing' people who don't support their 'cause'?
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Reply #37 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:30pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Or if for example you are India, you have had all your valuables stolen from you.....by the British, yes?


No one is saying that the British Empire was perfect. What this video is arguing and what other people have argued is that, overall on balance, the British Empire was a force for good.
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Reply #38 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:34pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Or if for example you are India, you have had all your valuables stolen from you.....by the British, yes?


No one is saying that the British Empire was perfect. What this video is arguing and what other people have argued is that, overall on balance, the British Empire was a force for good.


That is not what the video argued at all.  The video presents a position of flawless virtue, and fails to refer to any of the darker sides of British activity.  And not give me the bullshit story that the Brits went all over the World to bring liberty and freedom.  Their intent was to exploit and trade like the East India Company et al.  Don't tell me the Brits went to, for example, Tasmania to bring sweetness and light to the locals whom they largely exterminated.
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Reply #39 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:40pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:34pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Or if for example you are India, you have had all your valuables stolen from you.....by the British, yes?


No one is saying that the British Empire was perfect. What this video is arguing and what other people have argued is that, overall on balance, the British Empire was a force for good.


That is not what the video argued at all.  The video presents a position of flawless virtue, and fails to refer to any of the darker sides of British activity.  And not give me the bullshit story that the Brits went all over the World to bring liberty and freedom.  Their intent was to exploit and trade like the East India Company et al.  Don't tell me the Brits went to, for example, Tasmania to bring sweetness and light to the locals whom they largely exterminated.


The video might not have explicitly stated that, but I don't believe that the historian in question would argue that it was perfect.

Wherever the British established a colony they spread the idea of freedom. Indians were considered British subjects and could travel anywhere throughout the Empire. In fact, when Gandhi was in South Africa and was required to show an ID card because of his race, he said: "I'm a British subject, and I have rights".

In fact, when Australia introduced the White Australia Policy, Britain vehemently opposed it, because that meant that British subjects in Indian and other  non-white colonies were prevented from travelling to British soil (Australia).

Their treatment of the indigenous peoples and the Indians was brutal and evil (in the case of the latter less so), and I don't defend those actions. Indigenous peoples everywhere have suffered at the hands of European colonial powers, so the British were no worse than any other.

If you look at India, after their independence, why did they adopt the British system of government?? They could've easily adopted an American system; they had more reason to abandon the Westminster system than the Americans did; but they didn't. They still retained the British institutions. Why? Because many of them recognize that the British did bring positive change to the continent. What they wanted was self-governance as an equal member under the British Empire.
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In fact, when Australia introduced the White Australia Policy, Britain vehemently opposed it, because that meant that British subjects in Indian and other  non-white colonies were prevented from travelling to British soil (Australia).


I ran that through Google.  Could not find anything.  Got a link?
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Reply #41 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:27pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 4:34pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 3:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 5:04pm:
Or if for example you are India, you have had all your valuables stolen from you.....by the British, yes?


No one is saying that the British Empire was perfect. What this video is arguing and what other people have argued is that, overall on balance, the British Empire was a force for good.


That is not what the video argued at all.  The video presents a position of flawless virtue, and fails to refer to any of the darker sides of British activity.  And not give me the bullshit story that the Brits went all over the World to bring liberty and freedom.  Their intent was to exploit and trade like the East India Company et al.  Don't tell me the Brits went to, for example, Tasmania to bring sweetness and light to the locals whom they largely exterminated.


The East India Company may have been a Brit company but I'm sure anyone could have shares. The EIC shows what corporations are capable of unchecked, private armies, private war, overseeing famine to justify profits. The Brit gov intervened after the Sepoy Uprising and took over control from the EIC. The EIC was not the British Empire, it was a private corporation. India was governed far better after 1858 and given it's independence 90 years later under the rule of the crown.
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Reply #42 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:45pm
 
No.....it had Crown approval/endorsement and virtually ran India in every sense, including militarily, with substantial Westminster political backing until schit hit fan.

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Reply #43 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
No.....it had Crown approval/endorsement and virtually ran India in every sense, including militarily, with substantial Westminster political backing until schit hit fan.

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It was not a govt institution. Having the crown's approval does not remove it's private ownership.
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Reply #44 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
No.....it had Crown approval/endorsement and virtually ran India in every sense, including militarily, with substantial Westminster political backing until schit hit fan.

Link.


It was not a govt institution. Having the crown's approval does not remove it's private ownership.


It was Government hiding to have some dirty work done.  It was established under special Crown Charter. When its conduct became politically embarrassing, Westminster destroyed the monster it created.
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