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Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity
Reply #165 - May 25^th, 2018 at 11:50am

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 6:11am:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 9:30pm:

Do you honestly think that threatening the US with nuclear weapons will make Un safer from US attack?

Obviously.

When was the last time the US attacked a nuclear armed nation?
When was the last time the US attacked a weak and defenseless nation that had no deterrence capability?

(ps, those are rhetorical questions again)

Do you think the US interest in non-proliferation might mean that Un's development of nukes might cause, rather than prevent, an attack by the US?

Gandalf won't answer but I will -

yes - if the USA feels threatened they will use their nukes
in a preemptive strike.

The last enemy you would want & the worst enemy would be the Yanks.

Not since the Civil War have the US had any talented diplomats. The latest example of their incompetence is the statement by the Vice President that NK may end up like Lybia. Not considered, just blurted it out. Typical.

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Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity
Reply #166 - May 25^th, 2018 at 12:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 11:11am:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2018 at 9:30pm:

Do you honestly think that threatening the US with nuclear weapons will make Un safer from US attack?

Obviously.

When was the last time the US attacked a nuclear armed nation?
When was the last time the US attacked a weak and defenseless nation that had no deterrence capability?

(ps, those are rhetorical questions again)

Do you think the US interest in non-proliferation might mean that Un's development of nukes might cause, rather than prevent, an attack by the US?

No. Obviously the US won't attack while ever there is a risk their territory will be nuked with retaliatory strikes. Thats the whole point.

The US: "Stop developing nukes, otherwise we won't be able to attack you!"

So nuclear non-proliferation is not even possible, because once a nation develops nukes, you cannot stop them developing nukes?

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Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity
Reply #167 - May 25^th, 2018 at 3:07pm

FD I don't even know what you are blathering about now.

Nuclear non-proliferation is obviously not possible when the enforcers of non-proliferation go around telling everyone that no one has the right to nuclear weapons - except for them.

Do you agree with this obvious premise? I don't believe you've ever said - despite this being the actual topic of the thread.

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Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity
Reply #168 - May 25^th, 2018 at 3:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 3:07pm:

FD I don't even know what you are blathering about now.

Nuclear non-proliferation is obviously not possible when the enforcers of non-proliferation go around telling everyone that no one has the right to nuclear weapons - except for them.

Do you agree with this obvious premise? I don't believe you've ever said - despite this being the actual topic of the thread.

Did not work when I said that to Effendi.....he got stuck on the meaning of non-proliferation, i.e., "I am allowed a nasty toy and can have as many as I like.....you can't, pissant. I wanna beat you up. How can I do that, if you get a big nasty toy?"

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Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity
Reply #169 - May 25^th, 2018 at 4:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 25^th, 2018 at 11:14am:

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2018 at 4:41pm:

the world powers think it's OK to point nuclear missiles
at whole cities & threaten to kill billions of people.
We live with a loaded gun pointed at us every second of the day.
It's something you have to forget about otherwise
you'd go mad.

Its even more absurd than that. They think its ok to point their nukes at countries and lecture them about how wrong it is to have nukes. While simultaneously telling the world how keen on nuclear disarmament they are.

Can you think of anything more absurd? I'm struggling.

I'd agree with you.

There has to be a genuine, verifiable attempt to get rid of all nuclear weapons by every country in the world that has them.

Just to have them is in my opinion a crime against humanity.

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