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Reply #135 - May 17^th, 2018 at 7:49pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

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The nifty virtuous term is to be used only if some newbie looks like getting the nasty toy.

And you support it, right? But you also like to complain about it?

Neither. I accept what the facts are and comment on them as facts. You seem unwilling to do that.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47355 At my desk.	Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity Reply #136 - May 17^th, 2018 at 8:26pm You said you support non-proliferation.
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Reply #137 - May 17^th, 2018 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

You said you support non-proliferation.

Effendi.....really.....you are such a naughty boy. You leave out context and then misrepresent. This is how it happened......(some of it:)

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.......non-proliferation is still a good idea.

To which my reply was:

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It sure is.....but apparently it only applies to those the bullies can bully.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47355 At my desk.	Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity Reply #138 - May 17^th, 2018 at 9:20pm Is that not you saying it is a good idea Aussie?
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Reply #139 - May 17^th, 2018 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 9:20pm:

Is that not you saying it is a good idea Aussie?

It is me saying it is a good idea, Effendi, no doubt about it. It's even a great idea....ignored by the big bullies, and imposed on the newbies by the big bullies. One Rule for them, another for the others. I don't like Rocket Boy or his regime, but I admire his balls on this singular issue, and as I said....I dunno who I fear more with a nasty toy.....Kim or the Orange Man.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47355 At my desk.	Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity Reply #140 - May 17^th, 2018 at 10:25pm Quote: One Rule for them, another for the others. That's what non-proliferation means Aussie. Are you saying you support it, but only if it means something else?
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Reply #141 - May 17^th, 2018 at 10:43pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2018 at 10:25pm:

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One Rule for them, another for the others.

That's what non-proliferation means Aussie. Are you saying you support it, but only if it means something else?

Ah. Back to the future with definitions.

So define in detail what is 'non-proliferation' to you? To whom does it apply? Just newbies?

Spit it out Effendi.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47355 At my desk.	Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity Reply #142 - May 18^th, 2018 at 7:30am Yes Aussie. That is what it means - limit the number of other countries developing nukes, beyond what we already have. You can tell the meaning of the term by the words in it. I realise it might be a bit complicated because they used more than one word at a time, but think about it. Non Proliferation
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Reply #143 - May 18^th, 2018 at 10:23am

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 7:30am:

Yes Aussie. That is what it means - limit the number of other countries developing nukes, beyond what we already have. You can tell the meaning of the term by the words in it. I realise it might be a bit complicated because they used more than one word at a time, but think about it.

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Proliferation

Then why can't you exclude the big boys from proliferating?

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Reply #144 - May 19^th, 2018 at 2:30pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 7:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 10^th, 2018 at 5:14pm:

I am being rational with this it's difficult dealing with people who have a profound level of ignorance when it come to the nuclear non proliferation treaty.

You don't need a PhD in the non proliferation treaty to know its a complete farce - when the chief enforcer of the treaty is not only armed to the hilt with nuclear weapons but is the only nation to ever use them in anger.

And by the way NK withdrew from the treaty, so from your own silly standards, they are perfectly ok to develop them. As for Iran, even if their alleged weapons program actually existed, it would be completely rational and sensible given their close neighbour and regional hegemon own them, and pose a constant existential threat to Iran and everyone else in the region. Even if they cynically used the treaty to acquire nuclear material to build their weapons - that would be entirely understandable given the existential threat they face. Why is Israel allowed them, but not any of her neighbours? Does it really just come down to the kindergarten argument that Israel=democratic and good but Iran=theocratic and bad?

So, by some twist of fate, I am kidnapped and dumped by the side of a dusty road in the Middle East. Of those two countries, in which one am I likely to find a civilised reception?

The answer is honestly Iran, & any westerner that's been to both places will tell you the same thing.

*Excluding of course our pollies that go on Israeli sponsored trips to get their asses licked.

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Reply #145 - May 20^th, 2018 at 8:02am

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 10:23am:

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2018 at 7:30am:

Yes Aussie. That is what it means - limit the number of other countries developing nukes, beyond what we already have. You can tell the meaning of the term by the words in it. I realise it might be a bit complicated because they used more than one word at a time, but think about it.

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Proliferation

Then why can't you exclude the big boys from proliferating?

Do you know what the word proliferation means Aussie?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47355 At my desk.	Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity Reply #147 - May 20^th, 2018 at 10:42am It literally means the countries with nukes stop any more countries from acquiring them. When you say you support non-proliferation, do you mean something else?
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Reply #148 - May 20^th, 2018 at 10:49am

freediver wrote on May 20^th, 2018 at 10:42am:

It literally means the countries with nukes stop any more countries from acquiring them.

'Screen dump' your dictionary where that definition is given.

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When you say you support non-proliferation, do you mean something else?

No, it means I think non-proliferation is a good idea for everyone, not just a few.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47355 At my desk.	Re: nuclear disarmament and reciprocity Reply #149 - May 20^th, 2018 at 10:51am So basically, you say you support non-proliferation, at the same time as complaining that non-proliferation means something different to what you actually support?
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