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Apr 8th, 2018 at 1:34pm
 
First Nation People are not " aboriginal " , ( not original ) they are original .

the british like to use words to obfuscate and take / steal title/land off original peoples ..



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5568797/The-sacred-Aboriginal-mountains-...

So much for 'Welcome to Country!' How Aborigines are campaigning to stop tourists from visiting Australia's most spectacular mountains for 'cultural reasons' - after successfully banning climbers from Uluru



Uluru, previously known as Ayers Rock, will close to all climbers in October 2019
Climbing of several other sites sacred to Aborigines could eventually be banned
Mt Warning in NSW and St Mary Peak in South Australia may be made off-limits
Tourists are asked not to climb on parts of Queensland's Glass House Mountains
Mt Yengo in NSW is another site Aboriginal people would prefer was not climbed




By Stephen Gibbs for Daily Mail Australia

PUBLISHED: 11:16 AEST, 8 April 2018 | UPDATED: 11:16 AEST, 8 April 2018





Mount Warning is the first place in Australia to catch the morning sunlight and it could be the next Aboriginal sacred site where climbing is banned.

Aboriginal elders are pushing for more sacred sites across the country to be closed to climbers following the historic ban on scaling Uluru.

Mountains in several Australian states which are popular with bushwalkers and climbers may one day join the iconic rock on the banned list.

Mount Warning in the Northern Rivers region of New South Wales is one such summit and St Mary Peak in South Australia's spectacular Flinders Ranges is another.


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Tourism operators believe the ban on climbing Uluru could be extended to other sacred sites which local indigenous people have asked visitors not to climb because of their beliefs

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For the traditional owners, peaks such as Mount Tibrogargan (pictured) are not summits to be conquered 'but representations of their great cultural heritage and their place in this land'

...
Wilpena Pound (pictured) in South Australia's mighty Flinders Ranges features St Mary Peak, which the local indigenous people have stated they would prefer tourists did not climb

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The NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service website states Mount Warning (pictured) is a place of spiritual significance to the Bundjalung people, who do not want visitors to climb it

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'We've talked about it for so long and now we're able to close the climb': Uluru traditional owner chairman Sammy Wilson's thoughts when the climbing ban was announced last year

Indigenous people would also prefer Mount Yengo in the NSW Hunter Valley and parts of the Glass House Mountains in Queensland were not climbed.

There are no official moves yet to stop climbing those peaks but traditional owners have requested their beliefs be shown more respect and signs spelling out their wishes have been placed at some sites. 

Any further bans on popular climbing sites could have a serious impact on tourism operators and other small business owners.


Last year it was decided that climbing the 348m high Uluru, previously known as Ayers Rock, would be banned from October 2019.

Traditional owners had for decades asked tourists not to climb the monolith due to its cultural significance.

Calls to ban climbing at other sites have spread.

Mount Warning, near Murwillumbah, is known to the local indigenous Bundjalung people as Wollumbin and they have asked climbers not to walk up its 1,156m peak.

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'We've talked about it for so long and now we're able to close the climb': Uluru traditional owner chairman Sammy Wilson's thoughts when the climbing ban was announced last year

...
Uluru is the world's largest monolith; the sandstone rock formation in the southern part of the Northern Territory is 335km south-west of Alice Springs, the nearest large town

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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 3:00pm
 
Racism and government-imposed sacred cows, wrapped in the woolly fuzz of political correctness

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/racism-government-imposed-sacred-cows-wrapped-...

White people will be banned from Uluru. All non-aborigines will be, and presumably those aborigines who are from the wrong tribal group. Clearly, this is racist. Chances are, women won’t be allowed up there either, even if they have the correct skin colour. Even more concerning is that this is justified on spiritual grounds. One group’s spiritual views are so much more important than everyone else’s that the government has enshrined them in legislation so that our most iconic natural monument can be fenced off.

This is not about the legitimacy of the spiritual views of aboriginal people. This is about imposing those views on people who do not share them, and doing so on racist lines. You don’t need to impose your religious beliefs on other people as a test of whether they are sufficiently respected, unless you are a terrorist, or apparently, aboriginal. It is no less absurd than putting a fence around Bondi beach and only allowing white Christians to go for a swim. The rest of you can come and visit and stay in our hotels, but you can only take photos from a respectful distance. We get really upset if you make a big deal about it, so please politely acknowledge our spiritual rights.

Our beaches, our national parks, our oceans, our rivers, these are all public property to be shared for the enjoyment of all. They are important to all Australians, not just a select few. They have spiritual significance to all sorts of people. They are not to be sold off to the loudest group of racist, religious zealots, no matter how sympathetic or politically correct their zealotry is. Imagine, for a moment, that a new cult sprung up and declared that climbing Uluru was a religious imperative. Whose religious views would the government decide are more important? Why would it take a cult with white people in it to bring home the absurdity of the situation? If you don't think white people also tend to invent sacred cows and impose them on other races, ask yourself what is inherently wrong with Japanese people eating whale meat from wild caught, sustainably harvested minke whales that are present in huge numbers in international waters.





The broader issue here is what it means to be Australian and what our values are. Are we moving to a post racial society where race truly does not matter and we are all truly equal? Or are we moving towards a re-racialised society that forever enshrines racism, superstition and sexism in petty, discriminatory laws? Should Aborigines be treated as equals? If they are our equals, can their spiritual views be more important than ours? Are their spiritual views more important than our right to climb Uluru? Is the historical suffering of their ancestors of more import than the suffering endured by everyone else’s?

You cannot have this both ways. Either aborigines are fully fledged citizens with equal rights, equal expectations and equal responsibilities, or they are tribal, stone age voodoo mongers incapable of surviving emotionally in modern society (or managing a corporation) and who must be fenced off in some kind of special zoo for the protection of their delicate, ancient spiritual beliefs. Unfortunately the recent trend appears to be away from equality, and Uluru is just the tip of the iceberg. Our state and federal governments are enshrining in our legislation the soft bigotry of low expectations and the learned helplessness that has institutionalised intergenerational poverty and suffering. Real suffering that a fence around Uluru will do nothing to fix.

An artist's impression of the fencing and signage to be installed at Uluru

Unlike everyone else, Aborigines are not expected to carry their spiritual views into the 21st century as personal baggage to be celebrated with those who share it, but not thrust upon others at every opportunity. Instead we must reverse the hard-won separation of church and state and officially recognise the spiritual views of Aborigines at every opportunity. This started with lip service, and has taken us to a fence around Uluru. Where will it take us if we continue to feed this monster?

Aborigines are not even expected to manage their own finances. We have constantly evolving boards to hand out government money on their behalf. These boards are not elected. They inevitably turn corrupt, and are then reinvented and replaced with ‘trusted’ aboriginal leaders that everyone likes and that our politicians approve of. We have remote communities that are economically unviable, except for government handouts. Many of these communities are miniature communist states where the Aborigines who supposedly own the land cannot be trusted to purchase and manage their own piece of it. Inevitably, they live in squalor. The development of the land, recognised as necessary by those within and without, proceeds at a pace and efficiency you would expect from a communist regime (the Russian communist juggernaut that for many decades threatened US hegemony was created by literally forcing people out of rural communities and into the factories).

We took a wrong turn somewhere. We were heading in a straight line away from our racist, bigoted, sexist, imperialist past. Then we turned around, saw what was behind us, and asked ourselves “how c
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 3:22pm
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 10:02pm
 
Bullshit....... no more sacred to them than to anyone else.  Mt Warning is just a nice place to be at dawn - big deal.  EVERYONE would cop a dose of spirituality about that.

Not a sacred site - just  and interesting and nice spot, and they never had  first day of Spring or whatever there, like, say Stonehenge.

Of course they mean something to this nation for EVERYBODY.

Time for this nation to start saying NO to all this bullshit.
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2018 at 11:05pm
 
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"Uluru, previously known as Ayers Rock, will close to all climbers in October 2019".

Whoooaaaa! Hold it right THERE, Bucko!

"... previously known as Ayers Rock" ~ my arse!

It's still known as Ayers Rock to people not of Aboriginal descent.



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Reply #5 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:56am
 
We(my family) have been given permission to climb Mt Warning by an elder after, would you believe, picking him up hitchhiking while my wife was getting youngest son's hours up on his Ls. Even though it's not kosher that a woman should climb it.
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Reply #6 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 6:08am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:56am:
We(my family) have been given permission to climb Mt Warning by an elder after, would you believe, picking him up hitchhiking while my wife was getting youngest son's hours up on his Ls. Even though it's not kosher that a woman should climb it.


Goes to show the reality, no?  Your average Aboriginal is happy to share - it's all these 'activists' who are causing all the trouble and demanding stuff without reason.

As I said - the spiritual element is felt by anyone who does the journey...

Will the Moon Dancers still be leaping and jumping at Full Moon, while naked?  Or are they excluded,too?

And of course, Byron Bay is a sacred site, too...

Last Nations People say YOU hands off!
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Reply #7 - Apr 9th, 2018 at 12:15pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 1:34pm:
First Nation People are not " aboriginal " , ( not original ) they are original .

the british like to use words to obfuscate and take / steal title/land off original peoples ..



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5568797/The-sacred-Aboriginal-mountains-...

So much for 'Welcome to Country!' How Aborigines are campaigning to stop tourists from visiting Australia's most spectacular mountains for 'cultural reasons' - after successfully banning climbers from Uluru



Uluru, previously known as Ayers Rock, will close to all climbers in October 2019
Climbing of several other sites sacred to Aborigines could eventually be banned
Mt Warning in NSW and St Mary Peak in South Australia may be made off-limits
Tourists are asked not to climb on parts of Queensland's Glass House Mountains
Mt Yengo in NSW is another site Aboriginal people would prefer was not climbed




By Stephen Gibbs for Daily Mail Australia

PUBLISHED: 11:16 AEST, 8 April 2018 | UPDATED: 11:16 AEST, 8 April 2018





Mount Warning is the first place in Australia to catch the morning sunlight and it could be the next Aboriginal sacred site where climbing is banned.

Aboriginal elders are pushing for more sacred sites across the country to be closed to climbers following the historic ban on scaling Uluru.

Mountains in several Australian states which are popular with bushwalkers and climbers may one day join the iconic rock on the banned list.

Mount Warning in the Northern Rivers region of New South Wales is one such summit and St Mary Peak in South Australia's spectacular Flinders Ranges is another.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/01/4AC74FE500000578-5568797-Tourism...
Tourism operators believe the ban on climbing Uluru could be extended to other sacred sites which local indigenous people have asked visitors not to climb because of their beliefs

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/02/4AC7500100000578-5568797-For_the...
For the traditional owners, peaks such as Mount Tibrogargan (pictured) are not summits to be conquered 'but representations of their great cultural heritage and their place in this land'

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/02/4AD5B8A800000578-5568797-image-a...
Wilpena Pound (pictured) in South Australia's mighty Flinders Ranges features St Mary Peak, which the local indigenous people have stated they would prefer tourists did not climb

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/04/4AD5EA2B00000578-5568797-image-a...
The NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service website states Mount Warning (pictured) is a place of spiritual significance to the Bundjalung people, who do not want visitors to climb it

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/01/4AC74FF100000578-5568797-_We_ve_...
'We've talked about it for so long and now we're able to close the climb': Uluru traditional owner chairman Sammy Wilson's thoughts when the climbing ban was announced last year

Indigenous people would also prefer Mount Yengo in the NSW Hunter Valley and parts of the Glass House Mountains in Queensland were not climbed.

There are no official moves yet to stop climbing those peaks but traditional owners have requested their beliefs be shown more respect and signs spelling out their wishes have been placed at some sites. 

Any further bans on popular climbing sites could have a serious impact on tourism operators and other small business owners.


Last year it was decided that climbing the 348m high Uluru, previously known as Ayers Rock, would be banned from October 2019.

Traditional owners had for decades asked tourists not to climb the monolith due to its cultural significance.

Calls to ban climbing at other sites have spread.

Mount Warning, near Murwillumbah, is known to the local indigenous Bundjalung people as Wollumbin and they have asked climbers not to walk up its 1,156m peak.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/01/4AC2019800000578-5568797-Mount_B...
'We've talked about it for so long and now we're able to close the climb': Uluru traditional owner chairman Sammy Wilson's thoughts when the climbing ban was announced last year

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/05/02/4AC74FFD00000578-5568797-Uluru_i...
Uluru is the world's largest monolith; the sandstone rock formation in the southern part of the Northern Territory is 335km south-west of Alice Springs, the nearest large town



The obfuscation regarding names is entirely in the hands of Aboriginals.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-news/article/2018/03/02/pat-dodson-co-chair-new...

Start at Uluru ..... then it's open slather ey?
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Reply #8 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 12:35am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8th, 2018 at 11:05pm:
Quote:

"Uluru, previously known as Ayers Rock, will close to all climbers in October 2019".

Whoooaaaa! Hold it right THERE, Bucko!

"... previously known as Ayers Rock" ~ my arse!

It's still known as Ayers Rock to people not of Aboriginal descent.





that rock is and has been known as ULURU way before some white fellow happened upon it ..

don't be so preposterous , yet either way

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Reply #9 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 12:40am
 
show some respect ye godless heathens , yet either way

see you at the billabong



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Reply #10 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 4:53am
 
Honestly
Where does it all end?

We give them billions to support them, they waste it on grog and drugs
We allow them the opportunity to make something of their lives , they this it back at us calling us racist
We give them land, they sell it off or refuse to allow us access

Will the time come when a parasitical group of people only allow their like to travel in our country where they allow us?

How long do you think that kind of racism will last before people get back of it?

Too much we have given for nothing

Too many times our aid has been wasted

Too many times we are called racist for trying to help them

The time has come to say Enough is Enough

They need to stand on their own two feet and assimilate or become as irrelevant as the people before them who they destroyed.
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Reply #11 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 6:24am
 

'First COMRADES, we'll get cultural control of all of our sacred lands surrounding Uluru
then we'll make the claim for all of our land around Martin Place, in Sydney.'



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Reply #12 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 8:10am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 12:40am:
show some respect ye godless heathens , yet either way

see you at the billabong



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What does the Ananda have to do with Aboriginality?

This bloke comes from Cherbourg what's his connection to the Blue Mountains/Katoomba.

Nil.

Cashing in methinks.
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Reply #13 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:27am
 
you admit you are ignorant then point to cashing in ..

noted ,

we continue

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5596697/Aboriginal-land-rights-protester...

'Sam Armytage, we still want an apology!' Angry Aboriginal protesters hijack Sunrise's Commonwealth Games broadcast after controversial segment about adoption of indigenous kids



Aboriginal protesters staged demonstration during Sunrise segment on Tuesday
They demanded host Sam Armytage apologise for panel discussion on adoption
Demonstrators held signs and chanted about land rights and Indigenous issues
Armytage and co-host David Koch struggled to be heard over the noisy protest
Sunrise was slammed for using generic backdrop to hide similar protest in March
Protesters were outraged by a discussion about Aboriginal adoption on the show




By Sam Duncan For Daily Mail Australia

PUBLISHED: 08:57 AEST, 10 April 2018 | UPDATED: 10:21 AEST, 10 April 2018





A beach-side television broadcast has been interrupted by Aboriginal land rights protesters.

The large crowd of about 50 rowdy demonstrators chanted, waved flags and hurled abuse during a Sunrise segment being filmed on the Gold Coast.

Some of the protesters attacked host Sam Armytage, demanding she apologise for her controversial adoption discussion last month.



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Sam Armytage (pictured, left) and David Koch (pictured, right) had their Sunrise segment interrupted by angry Aboriginal protesters on Tuesday morning

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The group of demonstrators chanted, waved flags and hurled abuse during a Sunrise segment being filmed on the Gold Coast

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Reply #14 - Apr 10th, 2018 at 10:30am
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 10th, 2018 at 4:53am:
Honestly
Where does it all end?

We give them billions to support them, they waste it on grog and drugs
We allow them the opportunity to make something of their lives , they this it back at us calling us racist
We give them land, they sell it off or refuse to allow us access

Will the time come when a parasitical group of people only allow their like to travel in our country where they allow us?

How long do you think that kind of racism will last before people get back of it?

Too much we have given for nothing

Too many times our aid has been wasted

Too many times we are called racist for trying to help them

The time has come to say Enough is Enough

They need to stand on their own two feet and assimilate or become as irrelevant as the people before them who they destroyed.


anything you have " given " is
STOLEN *


denying that fact will never hide the truth .

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