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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Terrorism in Germany? Reply #30 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:30pm Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Quote: People thought it was a Muslim because it follows their modus operandi. Which 'people'? people with average and above intelligence. The sort of people you find it difficult to relate to.
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Reply #31 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:39pm

rhino wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

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People thought it was a Muslim because it follows their modus operandi.

Which 'people'?

people with average and above intelligence. The sort of people you find it difficult to relate to.

So people with average and above intelligence are fools who rush in with bigotted, biased pre-judgements? I don't think so.

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Reply #32 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:44pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:39pm:

rhino wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

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People thought it was a Muslim because it follows their modus operandi.

Which 'people'?

people with average and above intelligence. The sort of people you find it difficult to relate to.

So people with average and above intelligence are fools who rush in with bigotted, biased pre-judgements? I don't think so.

I rest my case.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Terrorism in Germany? Reply #33 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:49pm A good decision for once.
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Reply #34 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:12pm

rhino wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

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People thought it was a Muslim because it follows their modus operandi.

Which 'people'?

people with average and above intelligence. The sort of people you find it difficult to relate to.

It's not usually Muslims, though.

Take the Venice Beach/Santa Monica area, for example.

In 2003 a guy drove his car through a crowd killing 10 people and injuring at least 60.

Then, in 2013 a guy drove his car through a crowd and killed 1 woman and injured about 10 more.

Neither of them were Muslims.

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Reply #35 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #36 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

Yes, spot on.

There's the one I mentioned at Venice Beach.

And ten years before that, up the road at Santa Monica, a car drove through a crowded open air market and killed ten people.

Not a Muslim. Not a terrorist.

When these things happen, it's rarely a terrorist (or a Muslim).

So, not sure why Homo and Rhino jumped to that conclusion.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Terrorism in Germany? Reply #37 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:37pm Rhino did say something about average and above intelligence. Maybe that's the problem.
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Reply #38 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:44pm

In chronological order:
1981 Iraqi embassy bombing, Beirut, Lebanon (not ramming pedestrians: ramming a specific building then exploding)
1983 Beirut barracks bombings, Lebanon (building ramming + exploding)
2001 Azor attack, Israel (ramming people, mostly soldiers)
2001 Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly car bombing (building gate ramming + exploding + gunfire)
2002 Lyon car attack, France (building ramming + fire)
2006 UNC SUV attack, University of North Carolina, United States (ramming people)
2007 Glasgow International Airport attack, Scotland, United Kingdom (building ramming + detonating gas cylinders)
2008 Jerusalem vehicular attack, Israel (ramming vehicles and people)
2008 Jerusalem bulldozer attack, Israel (ramming people)
2011 Tel Aviv truck attack, Israel (ramming vehicles and people)
2011 Tel Aviv nightclub attack, Israel (ramming + stabbing)
May 2013 Murder of Lee Rigby, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming + stabbing)
2013 Tiananmen Square attack, China (ramming people + bursting into flames)
May 2014 Ürümqi attack, China (ramming + throwing bombs off the vehicle)
2014 Jerusalem tractor attack, Israel (ramming people + bus)
2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack, Canada (ramming)
October 2014 Jerusalem vehicular attack, Israel (ramming people)
November 2014 Jerusalem vehicular attack, Israel (ramming + hitting with a metal crowbar)
2014 Alon Shvut stabbing attack, West Bank (failed ramming + stabbing)
2014 Dijon attack, France (ramming people)
2014 Nantes attack, France (ramming people)
2016 Nice attack, France (87 killed ramming people + gunfire)
2016 Ohio State University attack, United States (ramming + stabbing)
2016 Berlin attack, Germany (shooting truck driver + ramming people)
2017 Jerusalem truck attack, Israel (ramming people; 4 killed)
2017 Westminster attack, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming + stabbing; some victims were thrown off Westminster Bridge by the ramming; 5 killed)
2017 Stockholm attack, Sweden (ramming people; 5 killed)
June 2017 London Bridge attack, England, United Kingdom (ramming + stabbing; 8 killed)[32]
2017 Finsbury Park attack, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming people; 1 killed)
June 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack, Paris, France (ramming a police car; 1 attacker killed)
2017 Levallois-Perret attack, Levallois-Perret, France (ramming soldiers; none killed)

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 131559 Gender:	Re: Terrorism in Germany? Reply #39 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:49pm Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:37pm: Rhino did say something about average and above intelligence. Maybe that's the problem. Ah.
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Reply #40 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

Yes, spot on.

There's the one I mentioned at Venice Beach.

And ten years before that, up the road at Santa Monica, a car drove through a crowded open air market and killed ten people.

Not a Muslim. Not a terrorist.

When these things happen, it's rarely a terrorist (or a Muslim).

So, not sure why Homo and Rhino jumped to that conclusion.

2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife- Muslim attack.

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Reply #41 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:03pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

Yes, spot on.

There's the one I mentioned at Venice Beach.

And ten years before that, up the road at Santa Monica, a car drove through a crowded open air market and killed ten people.

Not a Muslim. Not a terrorist.

When these things happen, it's rarely a terrorist (or a Muslim).

So, not sure why Homo and Rhino jumped to that conclusion.

2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife- Muslim attack.

It happens every now and then.

However, the vast majority of cases where cars drive through crowds and kill people has nothing to do terrorists.

Certainly not Muslims.

We've had two here in Perth recently.

Neither of them had anything to do with terrorism (or Muslims).

It seems the media has got you all worked up, Homo.

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Reply #42 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

Yes, spot on.

There's the one I mentioned at Venice Beach.

And ten years before that, up the road at Santa Monica, a car drove through a crowded open air market and killed ten people.

Not a Muslim. Not a terrorist.

When these things happen, it's rarely a terrorist (or a Muslim).

So, not sure why Homo and Rhino jumped to that conclusion.

2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife- Muslim attack.

It happens every now and then.

However, the vast majority of cases where cars drive through crowds and kill people has nothing to do terrorists.

Certainly not Muslims.

We've had two here in Perth recently.

Neither of them had anything to do with terrorism (or Muslims).

It seems the media has got you all worked up, Homo.

What about since ISIS called on Muslims to do it (last 4 years)?

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Reply #43 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

Yes, spot on.

There's the one I mentioned at Venice Beach.

And ten years before that, up the road at Santa Monica, a car drove through a crowded open air market and killed ten people.

Not a Muslim. Not a terrorist.

When these things happen, it's rarely a terrorist (or a Muslim).

So, not sure why Homo and Rhino jumped to that conclusion.

2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife- Muslim attack.

It happens every now and then.

However, the vast majority of cases where cars drive through crowds and kill people has nothing to do terrorists.

Certainly not Muslims.

We've had two here in Perth recently.

Neither of them had anything to do with terrorism (or Muslims).

It seems the media has got you all worked up, Homo.

What about since ISIS called on Muslims to do it (last 4 years)?

It's usually old people who mistake the accelerator pedal for the brake.

They love doing it here in Perth.

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Reply #44 - Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 4:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2018 at 3:13pm:

For some perspective, here are a list of non-terrorist related rammings since 2010. As far as I know none of them were muslim, or had a muslim background (I removed 2 from the list who had muslim sounding names). And this doesn't include the terrorist attacks that were not 'Islamic' (eg the mosque attack in London, and the American one against antifa protesters)

2010 Hebei tractor rampage, 2010 mass murder using a bucket loader
2013 Tumon[39]
2013 Venice, Los Angeles (one dead)[40]
2014 Sopot attack, Poland[41] (ramming people)
2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife
2016 Scunthorpe road rage[42]
2017 Balneário Camboriú road rage[43]
2017 Heidelberg attack by mentally disturbed German student[44][45]
2017 Müllrose, Germany, drug addict kills two cops while fleeing in stolen car after stabbing his grandmother to death[46]
2017 Guatemala City, a car rammed into a student protest: 13 injured, one dead.[48]
2017 Venezuelan protests, several cases of vehicle rammings during opposition marches by security forces or government supporters.[49][50][51][52][53]
2017 Times Square car crash[54]
January 2017 Melbourne car attack in Melbourne, Australia in which six people were killed and 36 injured.[55]
2017 Sandy, Utah attack, car-ramming and shooting in Sandy, Utah[56]
July 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, ramming people[57]
August 2017 Helsinki attack, Finland, failed ramming[58]
2017 Sept-Sorts attack, France, ramming a pizzeria[59]
December 2017 car attack in Perth, Australia, with one dead, four injured, three seriously.[60]
February 2018 car attack in Perth, Australia, with two injured, in suburban Mullaloo.[62]
2018 Münster vehicle ramming (ramming crowd at an outdoor café, killing three and injuring around 20; perpetrator then took his own life)[63]

Yes, spot on.

There's the one I mentioned at Venice Beach.

And ten years before that, up the road at Santa Monica, a car drove through a crowded open air market and killed ten people.

Not a Muslim. Not a terrorist.

When these things happen, it's rarely a terrorist (or a Muslim).

So, not sure why Homo and Rhino jumped to that conclusion.

2015 Graz van attack, mass murder using an SUV and a knife- Muslim attack.

It happens every now and then.

However, the vast majority of cases where cars drive through crowds and kill people has nothing to do terrorists.

Certainly not Muslims.

We've had two here in Perth recently.

Neither of them had anything to do with terrorism (or Muslims).

It seems the media has got you all worked up, Homo.

What about since ISIS called on Muslims to do it (last 4 years)?

It's usually old people who mistake the accelerator pedal for the brake.

They love doing it here in Perth.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1174032-3x2-940x627.jpg

Don't confuse terrorism with car accidents pecca. We are talking about intentional mass murder with a motor vehicle which Muslims are vastly over represented in.

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