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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6778 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	“So this is British justice is it? Apr 5^th, 2018 at 10:54pm We are all just cattle to our governments. he could have just accepted his fate and not caused any trouble! https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5918750/richard-osborn-brooks-hither-green-burglar...
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Benson New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8 England Gender:	Re: “So this is British justice is it? Reply #1 - Apr 28^th, 2018 at 7:19am After consulting with the CPS, police will take no further action. So justice has prevailed.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: “So this is British justice is it? Reply #2 - Apr 28^th, 2018 at 7:38am Its the same here. Not allowed to kill in self defense (or even injure i suspect) Spot
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47356 At my desk.	Re: “So this is British justice is it? Reply #3 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 1:30am You are allowed to, if it is actual self defence. You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.
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Reply #4 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 8:52am

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You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.

Violent home invasions seem [to me] to be becoming increasing common in Australia today.
[...or is it just that 'they are being reported more today' ?]

THINK ABOUT IT;

We [law abiding citizens] are lawfully permitted to be defenceless.

We [law abiding citizens] are lawfully permitted to be the victims of violent criminals.
[e.g. if you tell your local police that you have been threatened, do you think that they are going to expend resources to protect you ? they won't. your own well being and safety, is wholly your own responsibility.]

A witty remark which emerged in the USA said....
It is better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six.

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Reply #5 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 1:30am:

You are allowed to, if it is actual self defence. You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.

That should be changed.

After dark I had a thug trying to gain access to my house while he knew I was at home.

I should by law have been perfectly entitled to put a bullet in him the moment he stepped into the place.

Personally, I would have the law sanction anyone who shot an intruder who entered their house uninvited, regardless of the intruder making physical threats or not.

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Reply #6 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 6:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 1:30am:

You are allowed to, if it is actual self defence. You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.

That should be changed.

After dark I had a thug trying to gain access to my house while he knew I was at home.

I should by law have been perfectly entitled to put a bullet in him the moment he stepped into the place.

Personally, I would have the law sanction anyone who shot an intruder who entered their house uninvited, regardless of the intruder making physical threats or not.

Herbert,

imo, as soon as any householder can [to their own satisfaction] ascertain that an uninvited 'visitor' is there [has entered his/her property] with some nefarious intention, the householder should be able to 'dispatch' that person, without fear of any charge being brought against them.

That should be 'the law', imo.

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Reply #7 - Apr 29^th, 2018 at 10:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 1:30am:

You are allowed to, if it is actual self defence. You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.

That should be changed.

After dark I had a thug trying to gain access to my house while he knew I was at home.

I should by law have been perfectly entitled to put a bullet in him the moment he stepped into the place.

Personally, I would have the law sanction anyone who shot an intruder who entered their house uninvited, regardless of the intruder making physical threats or not.

what stopped the thug? Or was he successful? Did you hide while he ransacked your place?

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Reply #8 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 7:57pm

rhino wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 10:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 1:30am:

You are allowed to, if it is actual self defence. You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.

That should be changed.

After dark I had a thug trying to gain access to my house while he knew I was at home.

I should by law have been perfectly entitled to put a bullet in him the moment he stepped into the place.

Personally, I would have the law sanction anyone who shot an intruder who entered their house uninvited, regardless of the intruder making physical threats or not.

what stopped the thug? Or was he successful? Did you hide while he ransacked your place?

No, it was Herbie's landlady. He promised to pay his arrears on pension day and she left.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: “So this is British justice is it? Reply #9 - Apr 30^th, 2018 at 8:39pm Benson wrote on Apr 28^th, 2018 at 7:19am: After consulting with the CPS, police will take no further action. So justice has prevailed. Is there any verification of that?
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: “So this is British justice is it? Reply #10 - May 7^th, 2018 at 5:25am That is where the UK and Australia gets it wrong: it is totally justified if a burglar breaks into a house, enters then ends up dead. The USA gets it wrong by going to far: shooting black kids who haven't broken into a house but who look like they might ...
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Reply #11 - May 9^th, 2018 at 5:22pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 3:46pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2018 at 1:30am:

You are allowed to, if it is actual self defence. You aren't allowed to kill people just because they break in.

That should be changed.

After dark I had a thug trying to gain access to my house while he knew I was at home.

I should by law have been perfectly entitled to put a bullet in him the moment he stepped into the place.

Personally, I would have the law sanction anyone who shot an intruder who entered their house uninvited, regardless of the intruder making physical threats or not.

Jehovah's Witnesses, you have been warned, Dirty Herby is gonna get ya.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: “So this is British justice is it? Reply #12 - May 9^th, 2018 at 6:08pm Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2018 at 7:57pm: No, it was Herbie's landlady. He promised to pay his arrears on pension day and she left. Bastard
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Reply #13 - May 22^nd, 2018 at 7:11am

AiA wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 5:25am:

That is where the UK and Australia gets it wrong: it is totally justified if a burglar breaks into a house, enters then ends up dead.

Its the inevitable price we must pay to avoid a culture of revenge and vigilante justice.

I remember a story some years ago (in Melbourne I think) where an old man, tired of his house being broken in to, shot dead a burglar with a shotgun. He was not charged.

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Reply #14 - May 31^st, 2018 at 2:37am

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 22^nd, 2018 at 7:11am:

AiA wrote on May 7^th, 2018 at 5:25am:

That is where the UK and Australia gets it wrong: it is totally justified if a burglar breaks into a house, enters then ends up dead.

Its the inevitable price we must pay to avoid a culture of revenge and vigilante justice.

I remember a story some years ago (in Melbourne I think) where an old man, tired of his house being broken in to, shot dead a burglar with a shotgun. He was not charged.

Good story.. but why is it 'inevitable' that the general populace, under the heel of the ruling government etc elite who generally have no idea, have to endure violence and invasion or be punished? How is a simple matter of home and family defence a 'culture of revenge and vigilante justice'?

It's not revenge to defend yourself and home and family... and it's not vigilante to do the same - it is a natural instinct.

No wonder they say that Geminis like my good self should be judges....

Incidentally - that is why judges take an oath of office to 'uphold law equally for all'.... and not just to uphold 'law as written' as is decreed for police officers (the SS oath of fealty and loyalty).

For judges to do otherwise is to court the disaster of a NAZI Germany or a Stalinist Russia ....

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