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Reply #1485 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:07pm
 
As good as. Does not explain the observed warming by itself. That is the greenhouse gases, water and CO2.
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Reply #1486 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:30pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:57pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
Wow lee. That's pretty stupid even for you.
The urban heat island effect is a well known phenomenon. But the problem is that it only happens in urban areas.



Well done. I am impressed. Now tell me where the weather stations are mostly placed. Doesn't matter if it is major urban or minor urban. Urban does not mean SUB-urban. Minor towns are urban. They all have that asphalt, buildings etc.



Which is exactly why there is homogenization of the temperature data.
But of course you and your bloggers object to that as well.
Not to mention that the worlds retreating glaciers are invariably NOT in urban areas.
The bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef is not in an urban area
The melting polar caps are not in urban areas

All the while lee comes up with more and more ludicrous excuses for the undeniable global warming we are seeing
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Reply #1487 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:29pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Which is exactly why there is homogenization of the temperature data.
But of course you and your bloggers object to that as well.



Oh. You mean like Australia 7.7 million square Kilometres. 750 Weather stations. 10,000 odd square Kilometres on Average per station? Data smearing anyone?

Or

"The Forum noted that the extent to which the development of the ACORN-SAT dataset from the raw data could be automated was likely to be limited, and that the process might better be described as a supervised process in which the roles of metadata and other information required some level of expertise and operator intervention. The Forum investigated the nature of the operator intervention required and the bases on which such decisions are made and concluded that very detailed instructions from the Bureau are likely to be necessary for an end-user who wishes to reproduce the ACORN-SAT findings. Some such details are provided in Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research (CAWCR) technical reports (e.g. use of 40 best-correlated sites for adjustments, thresholds for adjustment, and so on); however, the Forum concluded that it is likely to remain the case that several choices within the adjustment process remain a matter of expert judgment and appropriate disciplinary knowledge. "

So in short BoM's processes can't be replicated. If it can't be replicated it isn't science.

Having done it once they have no way of confirming what they did at a later date.

And we are supposed to trust this homogenisation?

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
Not to mention that the worlds retreating glaciers are invariably NOT in urban areas.



You mean those glaciers that have variously been retreating and advancing since the 19th century?

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
The bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef is not in an urban area



Yes. Caused by rapid temperature change in the water. In turn caused by the El Nina/La Nina oscillations. Where when the trade winds stop blowing from the east the water flows to the West. That causes very low tides. That means the shallow water, which heats up fast.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
The melting polar caps are not in urban areas


Didn't you get the message? The Antarctic is increasing ice mass. The Antarctic temperatures are actually dropping due to CO2, it seems. Bizarre eh. causes warming and cooling.

Oh the Arctic was sailed in the 19th century. Must have had AGW back then too. No icebreakers support though.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:30pm:
All the while lee comes up with more and more ludicrous excuses for the undeniable global warming we are seeing



So how much warming have you seen in your lifetime?
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Reply #1488 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:53am
 
0.5°C since 1990, that despite the TSI dropping a tiny bit. That last bit shows that it is not the sun but CO2 is the control knob for global climate.
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Reply #1489 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:07am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:53am:
0.5°C since 1990, that despite the TSI dropping a tiny bit. That last bit shows that it is not the sun but CO2 is the control knob for global climate.



Mr Monk should call himself Mr Acronym.
It makes him sound scientific.


For the benefit of all the readers -

What is TSI & what is UHI  ?
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Reply #1490 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:16am
 
UHI is what Lees goes on about. It stands for urban heat island, the soil and vegetation being covered up by asphalt, bricks etc plus machines running—cars, fridges etc. Means the winter nights are not as severe as they would be for similar rural land.

TSI stands for Total Solar Infoliation or the amount of sunlight receive at TOA  Smiley Top of Atmosphere. It dropped slightly in the 1980s—even Dubyne covered that in one of his dodgy YouTubes. So despite a bit less TSI at TOA—bit less sunlight the global temperature increased by 0.5°C since the 1990s. That is why the sun is not the control knob for the global climate.
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Reply #1491 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:24am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:16am:
UHI is what Lees goes on about. It stands for urban heat island, the soil and vegetation being covered up by asphalt, bricks etc plus machines running—cars, fridges etc. Means the winter nights are not as severe as they would be for similar rural land.

TSI stands for Total Solar Infoliation or the amount of sunlight receive at TOA  Smiley Top of Atmosphere. It dropped slightly in the 1980s—even Dubyne covered that in one of his dodgy YouTubes. So despite a bit less TSI at TOA—bit less sunlight the global temperature increased by 0.5°C since the 1990s. That is why the sun is not the control knob for the global climate.



Good - I'll have to start a thread for environment acronyms so
that the readers can follow the contributors.
Otherwise they won't know what AGW or   GSM is  either.
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Reply #1492 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:29am
 
Why bother—nobody reads there anymore. DonDeeHippy is pissed off you keep thinking he is a sock of myself or Aussie. If he goes it is just you and The Moronic there.
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Reply #1493 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:32am
 
Who gave you permission to copy my post to your graveyard?
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Reply #1494 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:53am:
0.5°C since 1990, that despite the TSI dropping a tiny bit. That last bit shows that it is not the sun but CO2 is the control knob for global climate.



Try turning the sun out for 24 hours and get back to us.

Is that the 8% control knob?

It also ignores that paper that says CO2 is causing Antarctic cooling. That MagicMoelcule can do anything; can't it?
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Reply #1495 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:32am:
Who gave you permission to copy my post to your graveyard?


Is that like you copying from there? Or is it different?
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Reply #1496 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:55pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 12:22pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:32am:
Who gave you permission to copy my post to your graveyard?


Is that like you copying from there? Or is it different?



It's updated now:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1533677146/1#1

It seems that Monk even made up one of his acronyms.  Grin
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Reply #1497 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
YOU ARE A C|_|NT BOOBY!
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Reply #1498 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:05pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
YOU ARE A C|_|NT BOOBY!


What are the error bars on that?
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Reply #1499 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:17pm
 
I was right about Booby.
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