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Reply #1020 - May 26th, 2018 at 12:36am
 
principia-scientifica! Are they not the most adorable bunch of fruitloops out!

Know nothing of science, of course!

Man, if you are reduced to quoting them you are scraping the bottom of the barrel! Ned “Ph.D.” cannot have studied science at all, his PhD must have been in basket making or origami!
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Reply #1021 - May 26th, 2018 at 12:09pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 26th, 2018 at 12:36am:
principia-scientifica! Are they not the most adorable bunch of fruitloops out!



yeah. But you wont post links so you obviously have nothing.

Tell us how warmer oceans outgas CO2. If it is outgassing there must be less CO2 in the water. That lowers the pH.

Give us a link showing warmer waters mean more CO2.

I remember you saying you liked to see me scurrying around. It seems you are more interested in my scurrying than the science. Streange that.

Also noted is you non-rebuttal of the other links. Just more assertiond without proof. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #1022 - May 28th, 2018 at 10:56pm
 
How Norfolk, Virginia, USA, is preparing to deal with increasing sea levels. Not just sea walls either.

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052018/norfolk-virginia-navy-sea-level-rise...

Already regular twice yearly floods.
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Reply #1023 - May 29th, 2018 at 7:12am
 
Who hasn’t heard some numpty call CO2 “plant food?”

I saw some studies mentioned that as minimum night time temperatures increased CO2 uptake decreased and there was also a decrease in protein. A new study shows just this:

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Researchers find rice grown in high carbon dioxide environments may be less nutritious

Scientists are warning that rice — one of the world's most important cereal crops and the primary food source for more than 2 billion people — may become less nutritious in the future.

Researchers in Japan and China have found that protein, iron and zinc levels in rice all fell significantly when grown in higher carbon dioxide environments.

For the experiments, scientists built 17-metre-wide octagons in Japanese and Chinese rice paddies that pumped carbon dioxide to simulate the kind of CO2 concentrations expected in the next 50 years (568-590 parts per million).

The research, published in the journal Science Advances, found on average from the varieties tested, protein levels fell by 10 per cent, zinc 8 per cent and iron 5 per cent.

Levels of vitamins B1, B2, B5, and B9 also fell — though results were far more varied.

"When we looked at vitamin B we looked at nine different varieties from Japan and China and they interestingly responded to high CO2 concentration in different ways," the University of Tokyo's Kazuhiko Kobayashi said.

"Some varieties showed a very large decline, some varieties much less a drop of vitamin contents."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-24/scientists-warning-rice-may-become-less-nu...

Well, I only heard about protein levels (nitrogen uptake) before but it seems mineral and vitamin levels also drop.

The experiment controlled for CO2 concentration. It did not control for the warming 500ppm+ of CO2 causes so add that and the future for nutrition looks pretty bleak!

Malthus will not be denied!


ABC article based on this paper.
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Reply #1024 - May 29th, 2018 at 7:16am
 
The US is the world’s largest food exporter.

Which country is the second largest? The answer will surprise you. Did me!
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Reply #1025 - May 29th, 2018 at 7:45am
 
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Antarctic Cold Front Plunges Temps to 1970s Levels in Australia’s Grain Belt (602)


Title of one of the snake oil seller’s recent lying video.

He is saying the globe had warmed since the 1970s! Boobhead would not have picked this up, of course.

The photo accompanying the lying title of the lying video shows a hillside with trees with snow on them—obviously, a photo from the alps. We do not grow grain in the alps.

And Australian grain belt? Does he know how large that is? Just lying bullshit. Only uneducated, unintelligent fools believe this particular liar. The Australian alps get a dusting of snow—according to Dubyne (and I did see that he wrote this) “three states blanketed in snow!” Lies lies and snake oil.
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Reply #1026 - May 29th, 2018 at 7:49am
 
Give up Monk - you loser.

The world has cooled in the last 2 years -
just as David predicted with the onset of the GSM.
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Reply #1027 - May 29th, 2018 at 7:54am
 
The thing is, Boobhead, it has hardly cooled at all from the 2016 El Nino high temperatures. THAT is the interesting fact. Not mentioned by the snake oil seller, of course.

March this year was the sixth warmest March, April was the third warmest April. Normally (and the one prediction the snake oil seller made, that temperatures would cool quickly in 2017 failed) the year after an El Nino cools quickly to something like the temperatures before the El Nino.

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To me the land temperature curve looks like an exponential curve.

I have seen no evidence presented that a GSM is happening. Try 2050.

How much have you donated to Dubyne, Booby?
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Reply #1028 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:09am
 
Why would the temperature curve look like an exponential curve?

CO2 concentration is increasing exponentially. With India and China rapidly industrialising, with their growing middle class who all want a car etc not surprising CO2 is rising exponentially.

The oceans store a lot of the heat, maybe they have stored as much as they easily can? Notice the curve of SST is flatter than the land temperatures? Now increasing due to slowing down of the overturning circulations?

As Arctic summer sea ice disappears the Arctic Ocean warms up heaps. The energy to change 1cc of 0°C ice to 1cc of 0°C water will heat that 1cc of 0°C water to 80°C. Less sunlight reflected by snow and ice, more absorbed by the dark Arctic Ocean.

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Reply #1029 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:41am
 
To go back to the ‘Antarctic front’ we do seem to get more.

The Southern Jet Stream, like the Northern one, is slower, meandering and weaker, allowing polar air out of the Antarctic circle—and warmer air in. Same with water—pulses of warm seawater now reach the Antarctic and undermine glaciers thinning them.

We do not live close to Antarctica and have sea not land all around it. I expect we will see more Antarctic influence on our weather. Super cold fronts aka “weather bombs” and even masses of cold Antarctic air reaching us, the the cold air bringing snow even to south Queensland a couple years ago.

That is not the same as an ice age, tho slow thinkers like Booby will accept Dubyne’s unsupported word that it is—if cold air leaves the Antarctic the Antarctic warms up. If you only look at local cold events you might miss that fact. Beast from the East—ooh ice age! Except that the Arctic was VERY warm indeed in this last winter, above freezing at several points.
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Reply #1030 - May 29th, 2018 at 9:40am
 
A month ago the snake oil seller lied:

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Climate patterns are shifting in Europe as Atlantic waters become cooler, and as what happened with European agriculture will ...


We know the Atlantic waters are WARMING due to the slowdown of the AMOC. Winters will get colder, summers hotter due to this.

Note the scare about food crops? A frequently recurring theme in the snake oil seller’s lying videos. Who is he trying to scare and why? Dubyne LIED about the 2017 Australian wheat crop having failed due to cold winter. Crop was above average and the winter was WARM! Facts I found with a quick Google so this is a deliberate lie by Dubyne to scare his followers into. . .?
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Reply #1031 - May 29th, 2018 at 3:37pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 29th, 2018 at 7:54am:
The thing is, Boobhead, it has hardly cooled at all from the 2016 El Nino high temperatures. THAT is the interesting fact.



let's see. If you assume that 2016 was the "hottest evah" at 1.2C then from Feb 2016 to Feb 2018 it cooled 0.56C according to both NOAA and NASA.

"February 2016 was the highest for February in the 137-year period of record, at 1.21°C "

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201602

"February 2018 was 0.65°C "

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201802

So that means it dropped by about half. That's YUGE.


Of course if you go by NOAA annual 2016 it was only 0.94C warmer than 1880; so cooled by more than half.
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Reply #1032 - May 29th, 2018 at 4:16pm
 
lee wrote on May 29th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 29th, 2018 at 7:54am:
The thing is, Boobhead, it has hardly cooled at all from the 2016 El Nino high temperatures. THAT is the interesting fact.



let's see. If you assume that 2016 was the "hottest evah" at 1.2C then from Feb 2016 to Feb 2018 it cooled 0.56C according to both NOAA and NASA.

"February 2016 was the highest for February in the 137-year period of record, at 1.21°C "

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201602

"February 2018 was 0.65°C "

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201802

So that means it dropped by about half. That's YUGE.


Of course if you go by NOAA annual 2016 it was only 0.94C warmer than 1880; so cooled by more than half.



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Reply #1033 - May 29th, 2018 at 4:25pm
 
Yeah, Lees always says 30 years is not enough to detect a change in climate but now he is happy to take just two months 2 years apart?


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Reply #1034 - May 29th, 2018 at 4:28pm
 
Maybe Booby with his (claimed) 6 years Uni can spot where Ned stuffed up?


Booby. . . ??
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