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Mar 28th, 2018 at 10:32am
 
Bill Shorten's brazen pledge on company tax cuts shows a remarkable state of affairs

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It's a measure of Bill Shorten's inestimable confidence and Malcolm Turnbull's perceived political ill-health that Labor should dare promise a repeal of company tax cuts that have not yet been passed.

The Labor leader's brazen pledge also shows how polarised Parliament has become and how the inequality debate has so successfully entered public argument.

It is a rare moment indeed to have the two sides of government so enormously at odds on tax policy.

If the Government wrangles two more votes to legislate the slashing of corporate tax to 25 per cent, Mr Shorten would take Labor to the election arguing that Australia should be the first OECD nation to increase tax on companies.

It's a remarkable state of affairs that's elbowed out orthodox economic thinking — that lower corporate tax rates are generally good for the economy and good for jobs.

The Opposition Leader has calculated that the Prime Minister's authority is so sickly he would not be able to withstand a Labor "fairness" assault that pits big business against the Bettys from Blacktown.

What the Prime Minister had hoped would be his signature economic reform has already been defined by Mr Shorten as a "corporate tax giveaway".

And a Turnbull tax triumph, should it come, would be afforded no time for celebration. By Mr Shorten's crafty design, it merely becomes the siren sound for a longer, lethal game.

Pressure is on senators


Labor's repeal promise has intensified pressure on the two hold-out senators.

Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer, who is barely a week into the job, know that the outcome of their deliberations puts them on one side or the other of a fight that will be central to the next federal election.

Mr Turnbull's initial reaction to his opponent's repeal pledge is that Mr Shorten stands for "fewer jobs and less well-paid jobs", but this message already lacks the gritty cut-through required in an election campaign destined to be super-charged by the demonising of big business.

Combatting those groundswell resentments will be a Herculean task, evidenced by Mr Shorten's growing confidence.

Just a fortnight after announcing an audacious $11 billion strike on cashed-out dividends for retirees, he and shadow treasurer Chris Bowen announced a backdown with a "pensioner guarantee" that effectively exempts more than 300,000 people originally targeted.

The political nature of the carve-out wasn't disguised.

"Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison have nowhere to hide," Mr Bowen said.

"They've been running around with their scare campaign trying to scare Australian pensioners. Well, now they stand exposed as defending this tax concession, which goes overwhelmingly to Australia's wealthiest households with no alibi about pensioners, no alibi for their lack of willingness to take on this tax exemption."

It was a hard-headed repositioning on a policy that had supposedly been very carefully calibrated.

Another reminder to the Prime Minister that he shares at least one trait with his opponent: ruthlessness.

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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:33am
 
Yes well he is a "con" man. Wink
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:43am
 
The only 'conning' going on over this issue is by Turdbull and Morriscum. Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:19pm
 
macman wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:43am:
The only 'conning' going on over this issue is by Turdbull and Morriscum. Wink Wink Wink



Obviously you don't read or comprehend well.

From the article -

Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 10:32am:
The Labor leader's brazen pledge also shows how polarised Parliament has become and how the inequality debate has so successfully entered public argument.

It is a rare moment indeed to have the two sides of government so enormously at odds on tax policy.

If the Government wrangles two more votes to legislate the slashing of corporate tax to 25 per cent, Mr Shorten would take Labor to the election arguing that Australia should be the first OECD nation to increase tax on companies."


Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 10:32am:
The Opposition Leader has calculated that the Prime Minister's authority is so sickly he would not be able to withstand a Labor "fairness" assault that pits big business against the Bettys from Blacktown.


Merely playing  politics. Wink

Nothing to do with economics.
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 2:40pm
 
Shorten smells blood

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Bill Shorten can smell blood and is becoming bolder by the week. His announcement last week that the cash payments tied to the dividend imputation scheme would end, was just the beginning.

He is becoming more prime ministerial in his approach, made easier by a government in disarray. The 29th Newspoll showing an increase in primary support for Labor must have sent a chill down the backs of several Coalition members.

Shorten’s boldness was reaffirmed this week, firstly by announcing a tweak to the dividend imputation policy, exempting full and part pensioners. It wasn’t necessary, but it blunts any scare campaign that might be aimed at it.

Then, he announced Labor’s intention to repeal any legislation that gives our corporations a tax reduction. Another bold move, but one clearly consistent with Labor’s continued opposition to the legislation.

Whether this initiative influenced two cross-bench senators not to support the legislation thus far, is difficult to say. But the prospect of the tax cuts being included in this year’s budget looks unlikely.

It is hard to reconcile what the conservatives were thinking, given the severity of spending cuts that have hit hard at individuals and community groups who have lost their funding for social programs and health groups no longer able to extend vital community support assistance.

The government will try to paint Labor as anti-business but as far as the electorate is concerned, that train left the station months ago, as people began to absorb the reality that most of our major corporations don’t even pay tax.

With the polls showing the two-party preferred vote 53% to 47% in Labor’s favour, Malcolm Turnbull will want to delay the next election for as long as he can.

That would mean May 2019 as the date, but if he chooses that option, there are three significant roadblocks to manage; the Victorian State election in November this year, the NSW state election in March next year and the 2019 May budget.

It means that any budget sweeteners planned this year will be long forgotten, with no time to prepare for next year. All of which points to an August/September 2018 election.

Whether Labor planned an election strategy on the grassy knoll of inequality or not, that’s what will take place. A clear “us versus them” battle line.

Malcolm Turnbull can continue to boast 400,000+ jobs created this year, but the unemployment level both in percentages and raw numbers is the same as it was in 2013.

Those new job have done no more than keep pace with population growth, a natural occurrence in any economy. All of which means that in five years of government, their jobs and growth mantra is as hollow as their concern for equality.

Those who remember the months leading up to the 1972 election that saw Gough Whitlam become prime minister might see some similarities emerging. A stagnant economy, a government bleeding from within and an expectation that their time was over.

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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 3:43pm
 
Kirribilly is going to romp it in
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:23pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:33am:
Yes well he is a "con" man. Wink



let them have their 5 min  Roll Eyes  lee...

.the mans got too much history for aussies to be conned as easily as his hero worshippers are...

they dont forgive Trump a thing.. but their Bull can get away with murder...

and they will overlook all his sins... Grin Grin Grin Gringood luck with a leopard never changes his spots...

and once a crook always a crook.
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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:31pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Shorten’s boldness was reaffirmed this week, firstly by announcing a tweak to the dividend imputation policy, exempting full and part pensioners. It wasn’t necessary



Yeah. 306,000 affected not necessary. 13.5% of pensioners. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Kelly? This John Kelly -

"Kelly concentrates on two major questions that are central for all Marxists who want to change the world, as well as to interpret it. Firstly what types of trade union strategy would be most likely to develop political class consciousness amongst workers? And second, what role will such strategies play in the transition to socialism? (p.4)"

John Kelly, Trade Unions and Socialist Politics

http://www.labourhistory.org.au/hummer/no-24/john-kelly/

I guess his motto is - "First we must drag hem down, before we can uplift them". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:18pm
 
Most of these big companies pay very little tax anyway....Shorten would do better to allow the tax cut (25% of SFA is still SFA) but trade off to eliminate deductions and loopholes that allow companies to pay little or tax at all....However trying to take anything away from those that have everything has always proven to be too hard because the money will flow to your opposition....Of course it is politics!!!

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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:21pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
macman wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 11:43am:
The only 'conning' going on over this issue is by Turdbull and Morriscum. Wink Wink Wink



Obviously you don't read or comprehend well.

From the article -

Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 10:32am:
The Labor leader's brazen pledge also shows how polarised Parliament has become and how the inequality debate has so successfully entered public argument.

It is a rare moment indeed to have the two sides of government so enormously at odds on tax policy.

If the Government wrangles two more votes to legislate the slashing of corporate tax to 25 per cent, Mr Shorten would take Labor to the election arguing that Australia should be the first OECD nation to increase tax on companies."


Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 10:32am:
The Opposition Leader has calculated that the Prime Minister's authority is so sickly he would not be able to withstand a Labor "fairness" assault that pits big business against the Bettys from Blacktown.


Merely playing  politics. Wink

Nothing to do with economics.



Of course Turnbull is different???

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Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:27pm
 
The only thing that is growing in the Shorten camp is a) his ego and b) his dick
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Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:30pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Of course Turnbull is different???



No Phil. We have a really low standard of politicians.
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lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Of course Turnbull is different???



No Phil. We have a really low standard of politicians.


I agree....Turnbull and Shorten reflect the low standards the two party system has created....Individual talent is overlooked and the power brokers decide what is what depending on which faction has the leverage....We are being sold a dog either way???

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Reply #13 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:58pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Of course Turnbull is different???



No Phil. We have a really low standard of politicians.


I agree....Turnbull and Shorten reflect the low standards the two party system has created....Individual talent is overlooked and the power brokers decide what is what depending on which faction has the leverage....We are being sold a dog either way???

Angry Angry Angry

I expect the next election will set a new record for the greatest percentage of the vote going to minor parties (including the Greens) and independents.
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Reply #14 - Mar 28th, 2018 at 7:06pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:58pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:45pm:
lee wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:21pm:
Of course Turnbull is different???



No Phil. We have a really low standard of politicians.


I agree....Turnbull and Shorten reflect the low standards the two party system has created....Individual talent is overlooked and the power brokers decide what is what depending on which faction has the leverage....We are being sold a dog either way???

Angry Angry Angry

I expect the next election will set a new record for the greatest percentage of the vote going to minor parties (including the Greens) and independents.


It would continue a trend and the major parties know it!!!

Huh Huh Huh

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-03/election-results-historical-comparison/756...
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