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Mar 24th, 2018 at 10:40am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 10:38am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 10:29am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Not just muslims - its religion itself. Xtians try to impose their religion everywhere too.

Spot


Did Christians eradicate slavery and create the freedom of religion you enjoy today?

Would you like to compare the two religions themselves?


No.

They are almost identical.

Spot


Can you elaborate please Spot?
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What is there to elaborate? They are almost identical.

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Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:19am
 
The mussies are having their own Inquisition.





The Inquisition is the logical consequence of taking Abrahamic religion literally.
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:09am:
What is there to elaborate? They are almost identical.

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Why do you say 'almost'?
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Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am
 
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.
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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:38am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:25am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:09am:
What is there to elaborate? They are almost identical.

Spot


Why do you say 'almost'?


The differences are superficial. For example they call the afterlife paradise and xtians call it heaven. Still the "afterlife" where there is supposedly reward. That was an example. What do you think fd?

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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:40am
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.


Some. Some islamic sects think they move with the times too. More and more nowadays i am seeing religious people rejecting science.

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Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:51am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:40am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.


Some. Some islamic sects think they move with the times too. More and more nowadays i am seeing religious people rejecting science.

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Maybe if Saudi Arabia didn't have limitless finances to spread Wahabism around the word things would be different.

As we have it, even the biggest Islamic school in Sydney was funded by KSA.

All this while western countries are losing religion.
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Reply #8 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
Islam went off the rails when Muhammad and his sick twisted mind started taking over.

This disgusting son of a sow prostitue whore was totally insane.
Sociopathic in the extreme
Self confessed peadophile
He lied about watching the sun sink into a muddy hole among other totally insane rantings.
Was he on drugs?
Was he just totally insane?
Or was it a combination of both?

Has syphillis completely eaten away at his sick and depraved brain?

No one will ever know
But from the day this animal was expelled out of the sows ass, the world of Islam was doomed.

Come on Muhammad
I'll take you on tool.
Or are you like all your followers
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Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 12:56pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:38am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:25am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:09am:
What is there to elaborate? They are almost identical.

Spot


Why do you say 'almost'?


The differences are superficial. For example they call the afterlife paradise and xtians call it heaven. Still the "afterlife" where there is supposedly reward. That was an example. What do you think fd?

Spot


I agree that you are being very superficial.

Can you elaborate on how they are the same on the fundamental issues?
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Reply #10 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.


... being the definitive word.....
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Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.


What?
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Reply #12 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:31pm
 
I wish all religion would piss off.
There is no god. None. It's all a load of crap designed to hypnotise humans and it has worked.

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Reply #13 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:52pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:51am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:40am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.


Some. Some islamic sects think they move with the times too. More and more nowadays i am seeing religious people rejecting science.

Spot


Maybe if Saudi Arabia didn't have limitless finances to spread Wahabism around the word things would be different.

As we have it, even the biggest Islamic school in Sydney was funded by KSA.

All this while western countries are losing religion.


Sorry - what is KSA?

Our government funds catholic schools.

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Reply #14 - Mar 24th, 2018 at 4:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 12:56pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:38am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:25am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:09am:
What is there to elaborate? They are almost identical.

Spot


Why do you say 'almost'?


The differences are superficial. For example they call the afterlife paradise and xtians call it heaven. Still the "afterlife" where there is supposedly reward. That was an example. What do you think fd?

Spot


I agree that you are being very superficial.

Can you elaborate on how they are the same on the fundamental issues?


Spot?

Should we be surprised that you are unable to back up what you say?
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:55am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:17am:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Cods wrote: "so you seriously believe ISIS is a religious group..."

If you doubt ISIS is a religious group, then what do you think is the motivation for their killing anyone who is not a Muzlim?  They cite the Koran for all their justification, and nothing I have seen would suggest they are not religious. Do they have to be peaceful to be religious? That would be a typically Leftwing, post-Enlightenment Western position to adopt. There are a lot of misguided Christians also, who don't want to believe ISIS is one of the Islamic religions. For the Leftists it is important maintain the doctrine that all cultures have the same value. Its a bit more complicated with Christians, like it or not, Christian beliefs are very much watered down by the Enlightenment, but pretending ISIS is not part of Islam is taking that love thy neighbour crap a bit too far.


Islam is not a religion ... it's an ideology. A fascist ideology.


Its a religious ideology like xtianity

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Spot can you not explain this because you don't actually know anything about it?
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Reply #16 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:19am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:16am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:55am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:17am:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Cods wrote: "so you seriously believe ISIS is a religious group..."

If you doubt ISIS is a religious group, then what do you think is the motivation for their killing anyone who is not a Muzlim?  They cite the Koran for all their justification, and nothing I have seen would suggest they are not religious. Do they have to be peaceful to be religious? That would be a typically Leftwing, post-Enlightenment Western position to adopt. There are a lot of misguided Christians also, who don't want to believe ISIS is one of the Islamic religions. For the Leftists it is important maintain the doctrine that all cultures have the same value. Its a bit more complicated with Christians, like it or not, Christian beliefs are very much watered down by the Enlightenment, but pretending ISIS is not part of Islam is taking that love thy neighbour crap a bit too far.


Islam is not a religion ... it's an ideology. A fascist ideology.


Its a religious ideology like xtianity

Spot


Spot can you not explain this because you don't actually know anything about it?


Im not going to deal with your personal abuse and if you wont participate in the discussion then i see no point in me participating.

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Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
I wish all religion would piss off.
There is no god. None. It's all a load of crap designed to hypnotise humans and it has worked.



Grin Grin Grin

Don't be shy with your opinion on the matter. Let it all out. Take no prisoners!

But I agree with you.  Smiley

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Reply #19 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:32am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:13am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
I wish all religion would piss off.
There is no god. None. It's all a load of crap designed to hypnotise humans and it has worked.



Grin Grin Grin

Don't be shy with your opinion on the matter. Let it all out. Take no prisoners!

But I agree with you.  Smiley

'God' is a cultural construct.


One thing my life has taught me Lord Herbert is that I have a right to my opinion. If others don't like it then I really couldn't care less.
I am literal. I say it how I see it. I am equal with the highest of the highest in society and if the Queen was being a bitch.....I'd tell her.
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Reply #20 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:49am
 
Do you have an opinion on whether Islam and Christianity have different impacts on the societies they come to dominate?
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Reply #21 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
Yes....they both create a sense of falsehood and divide for their believers.
Religions are used against us to better the opportunity of the elite so they only profit at our expense.


Christian based societies are very clever in disguising control ie.  Australia. We are way way way over policed in all the wrong areas. Our gov is stripping our wealth and freedom quicker than you can blink. Fees fees and more fees. Multinational companies holding a manopoly over any competition creating an environment that has absolutely no open market opportunity, leaving the majority in limbo and working for minimum wage...and some of us beg for more.

Christian societies breed reliant humans. Over half of this country could not survive without the help of others. They can't even feed themselves without someone preparing it for them in some flash packaging. Those same people stand shoulder to shoulder to try and ban humans from catching and preparing their own food. Look at the against side in fishing and hunting. We say it will never happen but one day it will. Fishing will be illigal, hunting will be a history lesson....or that damned expensive (as if it isn't already) that only the elite corporates will be able to partake in the activity.

This christian based society can't last forever.
Humans are breeding really quickly. Overpopulation will become the new "global warming" but overpopulation will be real. It will effect your childrens children.


Islam is no better.
Their sharia law is barbaric. Probably what christians were before they worked out an easier way.
Before America stuck its nose into iraq and the middle east, it was a beautiful place. An uncle spent several years over there in the late 70's. Loved the place but said there was an underlying force in control of the gov. The world elite. The owners of the money.

Islam is used to control the citizens in "fear" rather than in imaginary security. The good citizens of an islamic country are that shite scared of the rebels that they would never speak out against them. The minority hold the majority to ransom...see the resemblance?
With the help of the US gov and CIA opps al qaeda went from a militant group fighting the soviets to a terrorist group trying to take down the world. Even bin laden saying he had nothing to do with 911...and I believe he didn't. WMD's were the new fad. Used against the middle east by so called christians to "invade" and destroy whaever hope they had of being civilised.
Then came Isis/Isil with the same agenda, funded buy the same parasites that are funding everything in this world...and even the US admitting to funding al qaeda to fight isil. WTF??? Every country is in debt to the money people...so they are ultimately responsible for the funding of all excersises worldwide.


Islam is used in the same way as Christianity. It leads to a false pretence of eternal happiness, and in the end does nothing to benifit the world today except keep people hypnotised while the money makers keep robbing you blind.

In the end, all religion will create divide.
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Reply #22 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:32am:
Yes....they both create a sense of falsehood and divide for their believers.
Religions are used against us to better the opportunity of the elite so they only profit at our expense.


Christian based societies are very clever in disguising control ie.  Australia. We are way way way over policed in all the wrong areas. Our gov is stripping our wealth and freedom quicker than you can blink. Fees fees and more fees. Multinational companies holding a manopoly over any competition creating an environment that has absolutely no open market opportunity, leaving the majority in limbo and working for minimum wage...and some of us beg for more.

Christian societies breed reliant humans. Over half of this country could not survive without the help of others. They can't even feed themselves without someone preparing it for them in some flash packaging. Those same people stand shoulder to shoulder to try and ban humans from catching and preparing their own food. Look at the against side in fishing and hunting. We say it will never happen but one day it will. Fishing will be illigal, hunting will be a history lesson....or that damned expensive (as if it isn't already) that only the elite corporates will be able to partake in the activity.

This christian based society can't last forever.
Humans are breeding really quickly. Overpopulation will become the new "global warming" but overpopulation will be real. It will effect your childrens children.


Islam is no better.
Their sharia law is barbaric. Probably what christians were before they worked out an easier way.
Before America stuck its nose into iraq and the middle east, it was a beautiful place. An uncle spent several years over there in the late 70's. Loved the place but said there was an underlying force in control of the gov. The world elite. The owners of the money.

Islam is used to control the citizens in "fear" rather than in imaginary security. The good citizens of an islamic country are that shite scared of the rebels that they would never speak out against them. The minority hold the majority to ransom...see the resemblance?
With the help of the US gov and CIA opps al qaeda went from a militant group fighting the soviets to a terrorist group trying to take down the world. Even bin laden saying he had nothing to do with 911...and I believe he didn't. WMD's were the new fad. Used against the middle east by so called christians to "invade" and destroy whaever hope they had of being civilised.
Then came Isis/Isil with the same agenda, funded buy the same parasites that are funding everything in this world...and even the US admitting to funding al qaeda to fight isil. WTF??? Every country is in debt to the money people...so they are ultimately responsible for the funding of all excersises worldwide.


Islam is used in the same way as Christianity. It leads to a false pretence of eternal happiness, and in the end does nothing to benifit the world today except keep people hypnotised while the money makers keep robbing you blind.

In the end, all religion will create divide.


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Reply #23 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
SPOT of Borg is Right.
FD is wrong.

It was not CHRISTIANS that abolished slavery, etc, etc as stated by FD.

It was POLITICS.

Christians were fundamentally 'enslaving' peoples around the world to their 'Religion' ...with the help of Military, Political empowerment.
Jews did it 'covertly'.
Moslems did it 'overtly'.

Christianity: A religion from the Middle-East that was heavily influenced by the region of Europe and hence had a lot of 'Health Industry' and Cooking/Food Industry themes in it.
(Judaism was influenced by Asia with its Sport & City living. Mohommedism was influenced by Africa with its Maths & Country living)

Christianity and Judaism, Mohommedism are 'Old World' Religions and have/will fail in the New Worlds.

The New Worlds of North America, Sahul (Australia) & South America will form their own Religions and these Religions will 'save' the Middle-East from the oppressively 'Old' and 'un-compatible' Old World Religions as brought upon it by Europe, Asia & Africa.

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It was POLITICS
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The politics of Christian nations? If Christian political leaders outlawed slavery explicitly in the name of Christianity, would you deny any link to Christianity?

Quote:
Christians were fundamentally 'enslaving' peoples around the world to their 'Religion' ...with the help of Military, Political empowerment.


I meant actual slavery, not whining-about-things-not-going-my-way slavery.
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Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:59am:
SPOT of Borg is Right.
FD is wrong.

It was not CHRISTIANS that abolished slavery, etc, etc as stated by FD.

It was POLITICS.

Christians were fundamentally 'enslaving' peoples around the world to their 'Religion' ...with the help of Military, Political empowerment.
Jews did it 'covertly'.
Moslems did it 'overtly'.

Christianity: A religion from the Middle-East that was heavily influenced by the region of Europe and hence had a lot of 'Health Industry' and Cooking/Food Industry themes in it.
(Judaism was influenced by Asia with its Sport & City living. Mohommedism was influenced by Africa with its Maths & Country living)

Christianity and Judaism, Mohommedism are 'Old World' Religions and have/will fail in the New Worlds.

The New Worlds of North America, Sahul (Australia) & South America will form their own Religions and these Religions will 'save' the Middle-East from the oppressively 'Old' and 'un-compatible' Old World Religions as brought upon it by Europe, Asia & Africa.


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Reply #26 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:30pm
 
Spot is still sprouting the same nonsense.

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:13am:
Valkie wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:11am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:55am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:17am:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Cods wrote: "so you seriously believe ISIS is a religious group..."

If you doubt ISIS is a religious group, then what do you think is the motivation for their killing anyone who is not a Muzlim?  They cite the Koran for all their justification, and nothing I have seen would suggest they are not religious. Do they have to be peaceful to be religious? That would be a typically Leftwing, post-Enlightenment Western position to adopt. There are a lot of misguided Christians also, who don't want to believe ISIS is one of the Islamic religions. For the Leftists it is important maintain the doctrine that all cultures have the same value. Its a bit more complicated with Christians, like it or not, Christian beliefs are very much watered down by the Enlightenment, but pretending ISIS is not part of Islam is taking that love thy neighbour crap a bit too far.


Islam is not a religion ... it's an ideology. A fascist ideology.


Its a religious ideology like xtianity

Spot


It is not a religion

IT IS A CULT

By any definition, by any examination of its policy, practices and methodology

IT IS A CULT

Nothing more, nothing less

A CULT OF FREAR AND TERROR FOR BOTH THE CULT MEMBERS AND ANYONE HAVING ANY CONTACT WITH IT.


It is a cult based on the religion of islam same as the KKK is a cult based on the religion of xtianity

Spot


Would you say that Muhamamd started a KKK-style cult based on the religion of Islam?


And still running away.
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Frank wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:59am:
SPOT of Borg is Right.
FD is wrong.

It was not CHRISTIANS that abolished slavery, etc, etc as stated by FD.

It was POLITICS.

Christians were fundamentally 'enslaving' peoples around the world to their 'Religion' ...with the help of Military, Political empowerment.
Jews did it 'covertly'.
Moslems did it 'overtly'.

Christianity: A religion from the Middle-East that was heavily influenced by the region of Europe and hence had a lot of 'Health Industry' and Cooking/Food Industry themes in it.
(Judaism was influenced by Asia with its Sport & City living. Mohommedism was influenced by Africa with its Maths & Country living)

Christianity and Judaism, Mohommedism are 'Old World' Religions and have/will fail in the New Worlds.

The New Worlds of North America, Sahul (Australia) & South America will form their own Religions and these Religions will 'save' the Middle-East from the oppressively 'Old' and 'un-compatible' Old World Religions as brought upon it by Europe, Asia & Africa.


Cloud 9 is correct.  Orf with the fairies.


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Wunaway Spot


FD, do you have the right or even ability to tell the truth about Islam?

We're curious.
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freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Spot is still sprouting the same nonsense.

freediver wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 11:13am:
Valkie wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:11am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:55am:
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issuevoter wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
Cods wrote: "so you seriously believe ISIS is a religious group..."

If you doubt ISIS is a religious group, then what do you think is the motivation for their killing anyone who is not a Muzlim?  They cite the Koran for all their justification, and nothing I have seen would suggest they are not religious. Do they have to be peaceful to be religious? That would be a typically Leftwing, post-Enlightenment Western position to adopt. There are a lot of misguided Christians also, who don't want to believe ISIS is one of the Islamic religions. For the Leftists it is important maintain the doctrine that all cultures have the same value. Its a bit more complicated with Christians, like it or not, Christian beliefs are very much watered down by the Enlightenment, but pretending ISIS is not part of Islam is taking that love thy neighbour crap a bit too far.


Islam is not a religion ... it's an ideology. A fascist ideology.


Its a religious ideology like xtianity

Spot


It is not a religion

IT IS A CULT

By any definition, by any examination of its policy, practices and methodology

IT IS A CULT

Nothing more, nothing less

A CULT OF FREAR AND TERROR FOR BOTH THE CULT MEMBERS AND ANYONE HAVING ANY CONTACT WITH IT.


It is a cult based on the religion of islam same as the KKK is a cult based on the religion of xtianity

Spot


Would you say that Muhamamd started a KKK-style cult based on the religion of Islam?


And still running away.


FD?
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The subject of religion tends to get lumped in with the belief in God. ( I have never seen a description of God that was not pathetic.) However, "religion" means way of life, the natives of Rapa Nui had a religion even without those stone images, so its important to make that distinction.

The big three religions, that are said to originate with someone named Abraham, have a conceited claim that one of these Gods is a better idea than the several they replaced. Of course you cannot use math or logic to support this notion, but for the average person's use, it probably seemed more convenient to have the Cosmos run by a king than a committee, back when Abraham assured his surrounding tribe that he alone was on intimate terms with this "King." Fortunately, for us all, social progress and public education have led to the spread of critical-thinking, so on average, people are not as easily convinced as they once were.

The two main types of Abrahmic God proponents are the "lay down the law" by what previous zealots wrote, and the glassy-eyed self-appointed representatives of God on Earth.
The human psyche, as exhibited so far, seems to have a penchant this second type of "God" fixation. To the average, rather uncomplicated person, these people seem charismatic, and I would guess they include Abraham, Jesus, Mohamed, Joseph"Mormon" Smith, and Jim "Kool-Aid" Jones.

Another parallel theme in the Big Three is that you cannot be a "good" or moral person unless you agree with them. That demand is used by all the Zealots, Prophets and assorted Holy men. Just how they pursue that claim is where Christianity and Mohammedanism diverge, and without making this comparison anymore long-winded, the differences are cultural. Its like real estate, its location, location, location. The tribes of the Islamic world are primitive and avoid progress. Christians, for what they have become, are heavily influence by 500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes.
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issuevoter wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
The subject of religion tends to get lumped in with the belief in God. ( I have never seen a description of God that was not pathetic.) However, "religion" means way of life, the natives of Rapa Nui had a religion even without those stone images, so its important to make that distinction.

The big three religions, that are said to originate with someone named Abraham, have a conceited claim that one of these Gods is a better idea than the several they replaced. Of course you cannot use math or logic to support this notion, but for the average person's use, it probably seemed more convenient to have the Cosmos run by a king than a committee, back when Abraham assured his surrounding tribe that he alone was on intimate terms with this "King." Fortunately, for us all, social progress and public education have led to the spread of critical-thinking, so on average, people are not as easily convinced as they once were.

The two main types of Abrahmic God proponents are the "lay down the law" by what previous zealots wrote, and the glassy-eyed self-appointed representatives of God on Earth.
The human psyche, as exhibited so far, seems to have a penchant this second type of "God" fixation. To the average, rather uncomplicated person, these people seem charismatic, and I would guess they include Abraham, Jesus, Mohamed, Joseph"Mormon" Smith, and Jim "Kool-Aid" Jones.

Another parallel theme in the Big Three is that you cannot be a "good" or moral person unless you agree with them. That demand is used by all the Zealots, Prophets and assorted Holy men. Just how they pursue that claim is where Christianity and Mohammedanism diverge, and without making this comparison anymore long-winded, the differences are cultural. Its like real estate, its location, location, location. The tribes of the Islamic world are primitive and avoid progress. Christians, for what they have become, are heavily influence by 500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes.


Load of Croc.
The inhabitants had a 'Belief' system, mainly a 'mythology'.
NOT a Religion.

Religion is a form of expression/belief done through Writing and in the form of a BOOK. It is also based upon 'people', more than just imaginary Gods.
When the Jews inherited 'Writing' as their form of empowerment (from Babylonians, Sumerians) and 'immortalised' their Family Tree (Adam, Eve, etc) - Religion was born.

Religion: Writing/Book.

Rapa Nui a Religion?
Bahahahaha
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Religio is from the Latin for binding together.

It has always been the pre-national, universal and almost eternal social binding. It still is, even though we now have other bindings like citizenship (a relatively recent development).

Poo-pooing it is just silly because we got here, on the back of thousands of years of religion. To dismiss it out of hand is like dismissing one's entire ancestry. Silly.


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At least he knows (it seems) what he says.  Unlike you, FD.

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Religio is from the Latin for binding together.

It has always been the pre-national, universal and almost eternal social binding. It still is, even though we now have other bindings like citizenship (a relatively recent development).

Poo-pooing it is just silly because we got here, on the back of thousands of years of religion. To dismiss it out of hand is like dismissing one's entire ancestry. Silly.




Exactly. Religion, times 3 Monotheisms, is based on Ancestry. The Jewish peoples of Judaism. The Muslim of Mohommedism and the detached Christians of Christianity.

Even Hinduism, Budhism scrap in as Religion due to their 'texts' - but their 'belief' system is not based upon a 'realistic' peoples - more, just another Mythology like Norse, Roman, Greek and USA SuperHeroes!  Tongue

Religion=Writing=Book=Religion

Aboriginal Dreamtime is NOT a Religion. It's a Mythology.
Egyptian beliefs are also a Mythology.

Religion of Judaism, Christianity & Mohommedism had a basis of 'fact' ...of people.
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Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
Religio is from the Latin for binding together.

It has always been the pre-national, universal and almost eternal social binding. It still is, even though we now have other bindings like citizenship (a relatively recent development).

Poo-pooing it is just silly because we got here, on the back of thousands of years of religion. To dismiss it out of hand is like dismissing one's entire ancestry. Silly.




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The subject of religion tends to get lumped in with the belief in God. ( I have never seen a description of God that was not pathetic.) However, "religion" means way of life, the natives of Rapa Nui had a religion even without those stone images, so its important to make that distinction.

The big three religions, that are said to originate with someone named Abraham, have a conceited claim that one of these Gods is a better idea than the several they replaced. Of course you cannot use math or logic to support this notion, but for the average person's use, it probably seemed more convenient to have the Cosmos run by a king than a committee, back when Abraham assured his surrounding tribe that he alone was on intimate terms with this "King." Fortunately, for us all, social progress and public education have led to the spread of critical-thinking, so on average, people are not as easily convinced as they once were.

The two main types of Abrahmic God proponents are the "lay down the law" by what previous zealots wrote, and the glassy-eyed self-appointed representatives of God on Earth.
The human psyche, as exhibited so far, seems to have a penchant this second type of "God" fixation. To the average, rather uncomplicated person, these people seem charismatic, and I would guess they include Abraham, Jesus, Mohamed, Joseph"Mormon" Smith, and Jim "Kool-Aid" Jones.

Another parallel theme in the Big Three is that you cannot be a "good" or moral person unless you agree with them. That demand is used by all the Zealots, Prophets and assorted Holy men. Just how they pursue that claim is where Christianity and Mohammedanism diverge, and without making this comparison anymore long-winded, the differences are cultural. Its like real estate, its location, location, location. The tribes of the Islamic world are primitive and avoid progress. Christians, for what they have become, are heavily influence by 500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes.


Do you think Christianity itself may have influenced that "500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes"?

Do you think it was progressive 2000 years ago?
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All that I know is that the Jews taught the Christians (of Europe) that the
''Way to God - was through them"[/
i] (and the Middle-East) for over 2000 years.
Then the Germans said [i]
"Bull#%^& - 'America' is!"
and 'broke their cross' (Swastika) upon the Jews.

...Jesus the gay Messiah one day,
Hitler the redneck Prophet the next  Wink


Monty Python: "And now for something completely different!"

Thus we have the Moslems awaiting a French Christian Gay 'Messiah' who will die for the sins of the French and be hailed by the Moslems ...for want of their Redneck Prophet Mohommed for ages. Wink
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Jasin are you playing a word association game that you forgot to tell us about?
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freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Jasin are you playing a word association game that you forgot to tell us about?


Yes. I can't make it too easy for you.
Just enough to let you know that ...I know.
And just enough to let you guess the rest  Wink

Eat from the Tree of Knowledge (Religion of the Middle-East) and know life and death.
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Eat from the Tree of Life (North America, Australia, Oceania, etc )...and live forever like them


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"My invisible friend is better than your invisible friend. But at least they are both invisible friends".
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"My invisible friend is better than your invisible friend. But at least they are both invisible friends".

And so said all the Science Fiction writers.

Anyone for a Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy?
Or an Ipad with Google on everything  Wink


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Jasin, if you have ever bothered to read the facebook newspaper sites' comment section, you would notice the number of people who write in to express counterclaims to the newspaper articles. We don't believe everything that is shown to us.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:05am:
"My invisible friend is better than your invisible friend. But at least they are both invisible friends".



“Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me. I do not seek or conjecture either of them as if they were veiled obscurities or extravagances beyond the horizon of my vision; I see them before me and connect them immediately with the consciousness of my existence.”


It is the same for all of us, including you.

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Frank wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 9:19pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:05am:
"My invisible friend is better than your invisible friend. But at least they are both invisible friends".



“Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me. I do not seek or conjecture either of them as if they were veiled obscurities or extravagances beyond the horizon of my vision; I see them before me and connect them immediately with the consciousness of my existence.”


Tsk, tsk, no source?  How unusual for you, Soren.

It is  Immanuel Kant, Critique of Practical Reason.    Roll Eyes


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freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
The subject of religion tends to get lumped in with the belief in God. ( I have never seen a description of God that was not pathetic.) However, "religion" means way of life, the natives of Rapa Nui had a religion even without those stone images, so its important to make that distinction.

The big three religions, that are said to originate with someone named Abraham, have a conceited claim that one of these Gods is a better idea than the several they replaced. Of course you cannot use math or logic to support this notion, but for the average person's use, it probably seemed more convenient to have the Cosmos run by a king than a committee, back when Abraham assured his surrounding tribe that he alone was on intimate terms with this "King." Fortunately, for us all, social progress and public education have led to the spread of critical-thinking, so on average, people are not as easily convinced as they once were.

The two main types of Abrahmic God proponents are the "lay down the law" by what previous zealots wrote, and the glassy-eyed self-appointed representatives of God on Earth.
The human psyche, as exhibited so far, seems to have a penchant this second type of "God" fixation. To the average, rather uncomplicated person, these people seem charismatic, and I would guess they include Abraham, Jesus, Mohamed, Joseph"Mormon" Smith, and Jim "Kool-Aid" Jones.

Another parallel theme in the Big Three is that you cannot be a "good" or moral person unless you agree with them. That demand is used by all the Zealots, Prophets and assorted Holy men. Just how they pursue that claim is where Christianity and Mohammedanism diverge, and without making this comparison anymore long-winded, the differences are cultural. Its like real estate, its location, location, location. The tribes of the Islamic world are primitive and avoid progress. Christians, for what they have become, are heavily influence by 500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes.


Do you think Christianity itself may have influenced that "500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes"?

Do you think it was progressive 2000 years ago?


First question: I have to generalise with such a big subject. Yes, I would say there are Christian influences on Western social progress, but in my view of history, the narrow-mindedness of Christians, and its negative influence, cannot be discounted.

However, it was Christianity that led to the end of canabalism in the South Pacific. It was Christians who first clamoured for the end of the WEST African slave trade. One hundred years later the East Atrican slave trade out of Zanzibar was still going well for the Muzlims. They believe Africans were fair game, because (you guessed it) they were infidels. The trade was carried on until the first world war, and  still exists today in Muzlim Africa.

Second Question: Was Christianity progressive 2000 years ago? That would be Christs time, and I would have to say, "No". But it may have later, although life remained pretty grim and getting large populations under control is what Christianity was used for.

So it ends up being a mixed bag. Too many people think of Christianity as it appears in cosy BBC vicarage dramas. I don't. When Christ died, they had to come up with something fast to keep it going. I also don't believe Christ would condone much of it. The spread of Christianity was a convenient medium for the powerful to gain control of vast territories and wealth. To them, the love thigh neighbour stuff was the sugar coating. There were a number of ways to get people to swallow it. The threat of pain, self-interest, and here's a real doozie: Guilt. You are responsible for the death of the son of God. Everything about you is evil, from your disgusting body to your inner-most thoughts. This is how the assertion Christianity came from God was enforced: from death at the stake for the unbeliever, right down to the sanctimonious schoolmaster with his cane. So, I don't believe Christians can claim too much in the way of Western social progress. What it did, has been paid for time and time again, in blood, sweat and tears.   
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So Christianity was not progressive 2000 years ago because the 'love thy neighbor' stuff was not what it was really about?

Do you think it had anything to do with the ending of slavery in Europe?
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Goldkam attempting to argue that the Bible instructs priests to rape children the way Islam instructs Muslims to slaughter innocent people:

freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 12:15pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 10:16pm:
Lfreediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 8:55pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 8:47pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 8:18pm:
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goldkam wrote on Apr 19th, 2018 at 3:16pm:
Just to confirm your statistics are coming from an Anti-Islamic website, which already had an intrinsic hate towards the faith. Now in many cases this is extremist Islam, in which most Muslims do not associate themselves with. Classing it as just Islam is like classing the molesting of children by the Catholic church just Catholic. They are outcasted and sick human beings who are not associated with the Catholic Church any more.   


Nailed it.



There are no instructions in the Bible to rape children.

There are explicit instructions in the Quran to terrorise the infidel.


Here is the problem with religion in general. Absolutely anything can be interpreted within any framework and within any part of the bible. I am not religious and thus have no favouritism towards any. What needs to be understood is Christianity was created in a time (1st century) where war, conflict etc. was not as prevalent compared to the highly volatile war filled environment Islam was conceived in. Additionally the Sunni and Shi'a divide aided in this futility. Don't agree but understand the differences. 



Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith!

Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

And We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).

Behold! We told thee that thy Lord doth encompass mankind round about: We granted the vision which We showed thee, but as a trial for men,- as also the Cursed Tree (mentioned) in the Qur'an: We put terror (and warning) into them, but it only increases their inordinate transgression!


All just a terrorball misunderstanding eh?

Now quote all those verses from the Bible telling priests to rape children.


Lets just clarify something before I go any further, since you have manipulated what I originally stated. I never stated that the actions of one from a particular religion were taken from their scripture source, thus your question is one that is separate to the premise of mine. To answer your question no, there is no specific reference to the rape of children in the bible (that I interpret anyway) 

To the passage you cited, yes it is confronting and quite violent. But there is no specific reference to death or killing rather just instilling fear in the lives of those who don't believe. Nothing Christianity didn't do throughout the 1900's and even today (if you don't believe you are a bad person and will go to hell) Once again my point is proven further, the whole passage is completely up to interpretation whether that be literal or metaphorical.



I quoted some of the verses with the word terror in them. You are incorrect that they do not specifically mention death. Did you not read them? I did a bit more highlighting for you.

All just a terrorball misunderstanding eh?

Now quote all those verses from the Bible telling priests to rape children.

If you want specific references to killing, there are plenty of them. For example:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313

5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free.
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freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
The subject of religion tends to get lumped in with the belief in God. ( I have never seen a description of God that was not pathetic.) However, "religion" means way of life, the natives of Rapa Nui had a religion even without those stone images, so its important to make that distinction.

The big three religions, that are said to originate with someone named Abraham, have a conceited claim that one of these Gods is a better idea than the several they replaced. Of course you cannot use math or logic to support this notion, but for the average person's use, it probably seemed more convenient to have the Cosmos run by a king than a committee, back when Abraham assured his surrounding tribe that he alone was on intimate terms with this "King." Fortunately, for us all, social progress and public education have led to the spread of critical-thinking, so on average, people are not as easily convinced as they once were.

The two main types of Abrahmic God proponents are the "lay down the law" by what previous zealots wrote, and the glassy-eyed self-appointed representatives of God on Earth.
The human psyche, as exhibited so far, seems to have a penchant this second type of "God" fixation. To the average, rather uncomplicated person, these people seem charismatic, and I would guess they include Abraham, Jesus, Mohamed, Joseph"Mormon" Smith, and Jim "Kool-Aid" Jones.

Another parallel theme in the Big Three is that you cannot be a "good" or moral person unless you agree with them. That demand is used by all the Zealots, Prophets and assorted Holy men. Just how they pursue that claim is where Christianity and Mohammedanism diverge, and without making this comparison anymore long-winded, the differences are cultural. Its like real estate, its location, location, location. The tribes of the Islamic world are primitive and avoid progress. Christians, for what they have become, are heavily influence by 500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes.


Do you think Christianity itself may have influenced that "500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes"?

Do you think it was progressive 2000 years ago?


First question: I have to generalise with such a big subject. Yes, I would say there are Christian influences on Western social progress, but in my view of history, the narrow-mindedness of Christians, and its negative influence, cannot be discounted.

However, it was Christianity that led to the end of canabalism in the South Pacific. It was Christians who first clamoured for the end of the WEST African slave trade. One hundred years later the East Atrican slave trade out of Zanzibar was still going well for the Muzlims. They believe Africans were fair game, because (you guessed it) they were infidels. The trade was carried on until the first world war, and  still exists today in Muzlim Africa.

Second Question: Was Christianity progressive 2000 years ago? That would be Christs time, and I would have to say, "No". But it may have later, although life remained pretty grim and getting large populations under control is what Christianity was used for.

So it ends up being a mixed bag. Too many people think of Christianity as it appears in cosy BBC vicarage dramas. I don't. When Christ died, they had to come up with something fast to keep it going. I also don't believe Christ would condone much of it. The spread of Christianity was a convenient medium for the powerful to gain control of vast territories and wealth. To them, the love thigh neighbour stuff was the sugar coating. There were a number of ways to get people to swallow it. The threat of pain, self-interest, and here's a real doozie: Guilt. You are responsible for the death of the son of God. Everything about you is evil, from your disgusting body to your inner-most thoughts. This is how the assertion Christianity came from God was enforced: from death at the stake for the unbeliever, right down to the sanctimonious schoolmaster with his cane. So, I don't believe Christians can claim too much in the way of Western social progress. What it did, has been paid for time and time again, in blood, sweat and tears.   


Close but no cigar.
It was the WEST AFRICANS who INVENTED/INNOVATED the concept of SLAVERY itself. Way long before the Arabs formulated together as a people and way long before Islam brought the Arabs together as one.
The Egyptians learned Slavery from the 'black' Africans and only used it in small doses. Yep - all those pyramid builders were mostly 'paid' workers and that's how Ramses 2nd defeated all his military enemies around Egypt. He couldn't 'fight', so he pumped up the Mass Artworks, created Economy and Growth and the people came and the enemies had the rug taken out from beneath them.
Art:1
Military: 0

So not only did 'blacks' invent 'racism' via the Indian CASTE system.
They also invented 'Slavery'.

...what goes around, comes around.  Wink
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Islam is behind the 8 ball, because their book is supposedly the divine, unalterable, last word from God.
That's it, I am sick to death of you pricks, stop asking frickin' questions, this is IT!!!! (sorta ting)

However, the OLDEST copy ever known, the one the real quran bashers supposedly learn off by heart, was recently superceded by an earlier copy.

Guess what, NOT a perfect match, Oh Oh!

Well that fricks their first theory into a cocked hat, God, got it wrong, Mo got it wrong, or they all got it wrong.

Strong evidence would suggest all of the above.

At least the christians know their book is shite made up by money grubbing prigs at conferences fro crooks, like that nice to seeya tingo.
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Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.
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freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
The subject of religion tends to get lumped in with the belief in God. ( I have never seen a description of God that was not pathetic.) However, "religion" means way of life, the natives of Rapa Nui had a religion even without those stone images, so its important to make that distinction.

The big three religions, that are said to originate with someone named Abraham, have a conceited claim that one of these Gods is a better idea than the several they replaced. Of course you cannot use math or logic to support this notion, but for the average person's use, it probably seemed more convenient to have the Cosmos run by a king than a committee, back when Abraham assured his surrounding tribe that he alone was on intimate terms with this "King." Fortunately, for us all, social progress and public education have led to the spread of critical-thinking, so on average, people are not as easily convinced as they once were.

The two main types of Abrahmic God proponents are the "lay down the law" by what previous zealots wrote, and the glassy-eyed self-appointed representatives of God on Earth.
The human psyche, as exhibited so far, seems to have a penchant this second type of "God" fixation. To the average, rather uncomplicated person, these people seem charismatic, and I would guess they include Abraham, Jesus, Mohamed, Joseph"Mormon" Smith, and Jim "Kool-Aid" Jones.

Another parallel theme in the Big Three is that you cannot be a "good" or moral person unless you agree with them. That demand is used by all the Zealots, Prophets and assorted Holy men. Just how they pursue that claim is where Christianity and Mohammedanism diverge, and without making this comparison anymore long-winded, the differences are cultural. Its like real estate, its location, location, location. The tribes of the Islamic world are primitive and avoid progress. Christians, for what they have become, are heavily influence by 500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes.


Do you think Christianity itself may have influenced that "500 years of evolving Western social progress and attitudes"?

Do you think it was progressive 2000 years ago?


First question: I have to generalise with such a big subject. Yes, I would say there are Christian influences on Western social progress, but in my view of history, the narrow-mindedness of Christians, and its negative influence, cannot be discounted.

However, it was Christianity that led to the end of canabalism in the South Pacific. It was Christians who first clamoured for the end of the WEST African slave trade. One hundred years later the East Atrican slave trade out of Zanzibar was still going well for the Muzlims. They believe Africans were fair game, because (you guessed it) they were infidels. The trade was carried on until the first world war, and  still exists today in Muzlim Africa.

Second Question: Was Christianity progressive 2000 years ago? That would be Christs time, and I would have to say, "No". But it may have later, although life remained pretty grim and getting large populations under control is what Christianity was used for.

So it ends up being a mixed bag. Too many people think of Christianity as it appears in cosy BBC vicarage dramas. I don't. When Christ died, they had to come up with something fast to keep it going. I also don't believe Christ would condone much of it. The spread of Christianity was a convenient medium for the powerful to gain control of vast territories and wealth. To them, the love thigh neighbour stuff was the sugar coating. There were a number of ways to get people to swallow it. The threat of pain, self-interest, and here's a real doozie: Guilt. You are responsible for the death of the son of God. Everything about you is evil, from your disgusting body to your inner-most thoughts. This is how the assertion Christianity came from God was enforced: from death at the stake for the unbeliever, right down to the sanctimonious schoolmaster with his cane. So, I don't believe Christians can claim too much in the way of Western social progress. What it did, has been paid for time and time again, in blood, sweat and tears.   

Christianity is just the belief that Jesus was the son of God!
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Jasin are you playing a word association game that you forgot to tell us about?

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Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.
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Goldkam attempting to argue that the Bible instructs priests to rape children the way Islam instructs Muslims to slaughter innocent people:

freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 12:15pm:
[quote author=goldkam link=1516791683/379#379 date=1524140162]L[quote author=freediver link=1516791683/378#378 date=1524135357][quote author=goldkam link=1516791683/377#377 date=1524134875][quote author=freediver link=1516791683/376#376 date=1524133124][quote author=greggerypeccary link=1516791683/374#374 date=1524117249][quote author=goldkam link=1516791683/373#373 date=1524114987]

Just to confirm your statistics are coming from an Anti-Islamic website, which already had an intrinsic hate towards the faith. Now in many cases this is extremist Islam, in which most Muslims do not associate themselves with. Classing it as just Islam is like classing the molesting of children by the Catholic church just Catholic. They are outcasted and sick human beings who are not associated with the Catholic Church any more.   


Nailed it.



Where did I state that, you sure do like to draw stretching implications for your own premise.
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goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?
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goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Not a good example.

Christians (particularly Catholics) should be blamed for not taking action against priests. Just about every catholic knew the rumours and they should have boycotted the church until abuse was stamped out. It can be said they are guilty of being a member of the church, but of course they don't agree child molestation is good.

The goals (not necessarily the methods) of Muslim extremists are widely shared by many Muslims and there is little distinction between jihadists and conservative Muslims apart from the violence.

We allow Islamists to immigrate to Australia every day and we're told to shut up because unless the commit violence, there's nothing wrong with them.
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But, but, but

Moderate muzzos love to protest

They love to carry placards and give their kids placards to carry

The placards pronounce

Death to any who insult the CULT

Behead this who insult the CULT

They tell us that they will kill the infidels

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Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Not a good example.

Christians (particularly Catholics) should be blamed for not taking action against priests. Just about every catholic knew the rumours and they should have boycotted the church until abuse was stamped out. It can be said they are guilty of being a member of the church, but of course they don't agree child molestation is good.

The goals (not necessarily the methods) of Muslim extremists are widely shared by many Muslims and there is little distinction between jihadists and conservative Muslims apart from the violence.

We allow Islamists to immigrate to Australia every day and we're told to shut up because unless the commit violence, there's nothing wrong with them.

Christians stopped going to Church a long time ago for such reasons: you seem to not acknolwedge that.

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comparison of Christianity and Islam





Towards an accountability to truth....


ISLAM

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102



Judaism

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.



Christianity

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.


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freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.
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Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Not a good example.

Christians (particularly Catholics) should be blamed for not taking action against priests. Just about every catholic knew the rumours and they should have boycotted the church until abuse was stamped out. It can be said they are guilty of being a member of the church, but of course they don't agree child molestation is good.

The goals (not necessarily the methods) of Muslim extremists are widely shared by many Muslims and there is little distinction between jihadists and conservative Muslims apart from the violence.

We allow Islamists to immigrate to Australia every day and we're told to shut up because unless the commit violence, there's nothing wrong with them.


To an extent yes, but 90% of Christians didn't know or were aware of the happenings. Your claim is false...and has no evidence. You cannot say the 4 million odd Catholics would have known what was occurring, your average family going to Church would have had no idea and if they did for the most part it would have been rumours. When you have such a dedication to a faith, leaving it because of such rumours would have been turning away from God. On the other hand those that did know, I agree should have left such a twisted institution.

That is simply false and there absolutely no substantial evidence to prove such. This article disproves that notion explicably. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

100% of Muslims in Lebanon were unfavourable toward ISIS. 97% in Israel. 94% in Jordan.

That final statement is true, why should they be demonised for doing nothing wrong. They can be talked about and discussed but not in the way most do.

I will try to give a better example.
Just because some husbands commit acts of domestic violence doesn't mean we class all husbands as domestic violence perpetrators. Just like you don't class people from particular towns as "bogans" because quite simply it may not be true. 
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Reply #62 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?
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freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


We need to be time and context appropriate.

For instance Soviet Union Russia saw many Russians wilfully killing those who opposed the rule of Stalin. Today we don't demonise and hate Russians in general for the actions they conducted 70 years ago
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goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


We need to be time and context appropriate.

For instance Soviet Union Russia saw many Russians wilfully killing those who opposed the rule of Stalin. Today we don't demonise and hate Russians in general for the actions they conducted 70 years ago


What if they still support the Russian killing machine?

Is Gandalf an Islamic extremist?
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goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


Who came up with the term mindless collective, FD?

I'm curious.
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Are there Muslims who believe in the Rapture? If not, that is a BIG PLUS.
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freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


We need to be time and context appropriate.

For instance Soviet Union Russia saw many Russians wilfully killing those who opposed the rule of Stalin. Today we don't demonise and hate Russians in general for the actions they conducted 70 years ago


What if they still support the Russian killing machine?

Is Gandalf an Islamic extremist?



Well yes they hold extremist views, as Stalin did in the 1920's-1950's. I am simply applying the actions to the definition here, I think you are trying to out smart me with a plethora of examples. A fictional character??
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Reply #68 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:27pm
 
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


We need to be time and context appropriate.

For instance Soviet Union Russia saw many Russians wilfully killing those who opposed the rule of Stalin. Today we don't demonise and hate Russians in general for the actions they conducted 70 years ago


What if they still support the Russian killing machine?

Is Gandalf an Islamic extremist?



Well yes they hold extremist views, as Stalin did in the 1920's-1950's. I am simply applying the actions to the definition here, I think you are trying to out smart me with a plethora of examples. A fictional character??


I believe Gandalf is real.
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Reply #69 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:40pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


Who came up with the term mindless collective, FD?

I'm curious.


FD?
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Reply #70 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


We need to be time and context appropriate.

For instance Soviet Union Russia saw many Russians wilfully killing those who opposed the rule of Stalin. Today we don't demonise and hate Russians in general for the actions they conducted 70 years ago


What if they still support the Russian killing machine?

Is Gandalf an Islamic extremist?



Well yes they hold extremist views, as Stalin did in the 1920's-1950's. I am simply applying the actions to the definition here, I think you are trying to out smart me with a plethora of examples. A fictional character??


I believe Gandalf is real.


Have you got a link to him. The only Gandalf I know is from Lord of the Rings.
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Reply #71 - Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:54pm
 
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 8:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 6:31pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Does it really matter which religion is better or worse?

The simple fact is the way Islam is practice and the things they dwell on make it the worst religion.

When Mormons start strapping nail bombs to themselves in the name of Joseph Smith, I'll ramp up my critique of them.



I think a distinction needs to be drawn between Muslim and Islamic extremists. Just like one has to be drawn between Christians and Christian priests who molest Children.


Can you elaborate on this distinction?

For example, if a Muslim justified a historical genocide of Jews by insisting they were literally a mindless collective out to undermine the country, would that make them an extremist?



Of course. As going by the definition "the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism" we can see this notion as the interpretation of Islamic scriptures in a way that invokes the violence and horror on todays society. In a general sense it is invoking of horror, fear, war etc. through the manipulation of Islamic teachings.

Yes.


So Gandalf is an Islamic extremist?


We need to be time and context appropriate.

For instance Soviet Union Russia saw many Russians wilfully killing those who opposed the rule of Stalin. Today we don't demonise and hate Russians in general for the actions they conducted 70 years ago


What if they still support the Russian killing machine?

Is Gandalf an Islamic extremist?



Well yes they hold extremist views, as Stalin did in the 1920's-1950's. I am simply applying the actions to the definition here, I think you are trying to out smart me with a plethora of examples. A fictional character??


I believe Gandalf is real.


Have you got a link to him. The only Gandalf I know is from Lord of the Rings.


He's like Abu, Goldkam, only more patient. Abu, you see, gave up answering FD's questions after a while, so FD created the Wiki. This is a fictional place where FD could pretend to be Abu and debate himself. Abu just igmored it, which drove FD bonkers.

Gandalf just answers FD's questions, but he's not here much these days. FD loves it when G pops in. Sometimes FD drops little references to G around so that G might get mad and get tricked into answering more of FD's questions.

FD's questions are usually just the same question repeated multiple times in an attempt to get you frustrated and agree with FD to get it over with. Then FD puts you in the Wiki and pretends you said it in the first place.

It's an old trick, but a goodie. FD's been doing it for years. As an ecample, ask FD how long ago he invented the term Mindless Collective to describe Jews.

FD won't answer my questions. As you can see, he learned a lot from Abu.
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Same Mohamedan, different tactics.

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Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 at 10:58pm:
Same Mohamedan, different tactics.



And this is Frank, Goldkam, otherwise known as Sore End or the old boy. Frank, you see, is an Anglophile. He studied at the prestigious University of Balogney. Frank loves to practice his English, but he also likes Danish. He loves coming here to meet new friends and have a jolly old chinwag.

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Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?
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All religions are a manmade phenomenon, its man feeble attempt to put God in a box and make some sense of it.

I believe in God but I’m not very religious.
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Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?


I don't know, how about you tell me
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Are there Muslims who believe in the Rapture? If not, that is a BIG PLUS.


Agreed, mind you selling pet minding services to loony xians for post rapture puppy school is a great scam.
However the mooselmen do believe in winged horses taking you to heaven, at least for mo.

Jeebus did a beam me up scotty, Mo jumped on the back of a flying horse and hi ho silver up up and away.

Both highly intelligent things any well balanced person could incorporate into a belief system.


They are ALL TOTAL LOONS.
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goldkam wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 8:34am:
Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?


I don't know, how about you tell me


I still don't know what you consider to be extreme. You are going to extraordinary lengths to defer the thinking to others. It's easy enough to find out what Muslims think.
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NO COMPARISON.
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Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?



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Reply #81 - Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 6:27pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 8:34am:
Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?


I don't know, how about you tell me


I still don't know what you consider to be extreme. You are going to extraordinary lengths to defer the thinking to others. It's easy enough to find out what Muslims think.


You mean chase them around for years with the same question, and when they don't tell you what you want, make their views up?

I don't know, FD. It doesn't sound all that easy to me.

Still, I guess someone's gotta do it, no?
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Reply #82 - Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:11pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 7:57pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 8:34am:
Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?



many


And this is Sprint, Goldkam. He's rather short on words, as you can see. He's the strong silent type.

It's hard to believe now, but FD started out questioning Sprint. Sane, rational arguments promoting tolerance and the brotherhood of man. Sprint, mind you, wasn't buying any of it. Sprint, you see, is a devout Christian. But FD kept chipping away, promoting freedom, democracy, and one law for all the races, including the tinted.

FD never did bring Sprint around, so instead, he joined Sprint. Today, they share the same beliefs about a lot of things. Yes, they may differ on carbon taxes and sustainable fishing policies, but they share the same views on the things that matter. Muslims.

Ban them.

Kill them.

Cesterete them.
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Reply #83 - Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 6:27pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Apr 21st, 2018 at 8:34am:
Goldkam how many other Muslims do you think there are with similar Islamic extremist views to Gandalf?


I don't know, how about you tell me


I still don't know what you consider to be extreme. You are going to extraordinary lengths to defer the thinking to others. It's easy enough to find out what Muslims think.


A conversation with you is about as productive as a dog chasing its tail. I have told you and provided you with clear examples of what extreme is in the Islamic faith. For example the different interpretations made from passages of the Quran.

This is the first time I have deferred such thinking, if you were so kind you would provide me with such information. Finding out what Muslim's think is not my problem, I just want to find out more about this fictional character of yours.
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Reply #84 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 7:35am
 
So despite quoting results of the Pew surveys already, you don't know how to look them up yourself?

If you want to continue pushing this line that only a tiny minority of Muslims are extremists, then it kind of is your problem to find out what Muslims actually think.

Do you set a different bar for extremism among Muslims that you do for everyone else?
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Reply #85 - Apr 22nd, 2018 at 12:03pm
 
That was your opportunity to tell Goldkam all about G, FD.

Who knows? Maybe Goldkam will answer your questions instead.

What happens when they finally answer though, FD? I forget that part. What's the next step?
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freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 7:35am:
So despite quoting results of the Pew surveys already, you don't know how to look them up yourself?

If you want to continue pushing this line that only a tiny minority of Muslims are extremists, then it kind of is your problem to find out what Muslims actually think.

Do you set a different bar for extremism among Muslims that you do for everyone else?


I am capable and able to look up statistics, research and the like. You are very good at answering question and not backing up anything you say with any substantial facts or statistics. To simplistically answer your first question...yes I am able.

To your next point. I have used data, facts and research to provide such an opinion, you have have merely negated it with no evidence to put weight to your claim. Once again denying something is easy, backing that up with fact not so much. Do you have a more accurate statistic on the amount of Muslim extremists?

No I don't, I have been using the definition of "extremism" consistently throughout, that is the generally globally recognised definition. So once again to answer your question, no, I don't know where you are getting inconsistencies in my definition from.
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To your next point. I have used data, facts and research to provide such an opinion, you have have merely negated it with no evidence to put weight to your claim.


You used actual statistics when you wanted to select Pew survey results that support your claim, but you let other people do the thinking for you rather than use what Muslims actually think to gauge how many of them are extremists.

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No I don't, I have been using the definition of "extremism" consistently throughout


You have not been 'using' any definition. You have been letting others do the thinking for you, because your own thoughts lead you to a conclusion you did not like the look of.

For example, would you say that someone who thinks there should be the death penalty for apostasy is an extremist?
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To your next point. I have used data, facts and research to provide such an opinion, you have have merely negated it with no evidence to put weight to your claim.


You used actual statistics when you wanted to select Pew survey results that support your claim, but you let other people do the thinking for you rather than use what Muslims actually think to gauge how many of them are extremists.

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No I don't, I have been using the definition of "extremism" consistently throughout


You have not been 'using' any definition. You have been letting others do the thinking for you, because your own thoughts lead you to a conclusion you did not like the look of.

For example, would you say that someone who thinks there should be the death penalty for apostasy is an extremist?


Firstly. I used results that derived from a study, holding credibility and reputability. Quite simply I cannot find such statistics directly from Muslims, are you able to?? Have you got alternative statistics to negate mine?

Secondly. Incorrect most of what I have stated is my opinion. My claims of those who are "extreme" has been based off that definition and that is the bottom line. You have to start some where to develop an informed opinion.

You are drawing a lot of far reaching implications now, I would assume to keep the thread going or to have the last word (I am not sure)

Interesting question....there are number of facets to consider here.

If they wanted to kill an individual because of apostasy, that would be called "extremism"
If they killed an individual because of apostasy, they would be an "extremist"

As you noted "death penalty" and thus a state of federally instituted means which was considered to be a normal part of the legislative system. Thus not in any way would one thinking such, when the death penalty existed in Australia, be considered extreme. In today's context however that thought would be considered an element of extremism, if they are actively expressed and the likelihood of such being carried out was prevalent. 
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Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?
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Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.
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Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


That is confusing, Mr Kam...well to me anyway.  Can I ask you to repost that and throw in a comma or two, so there is no misunderstanding of what you are saying on my part.
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goldkam wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


Yes you are very clever. Would you mind translating that into English for us? Are you saying it is not extremism when they actually follow through and execute apostates, but is extremism when they don't do it? Or the other way round?

Is this how you ended up with only about 100,000 Islamic extremists?
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comparison of Christianity and Islam




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freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 4:04pm:
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To your next point. I have used data, facts and research to provide such an opinion, you have have merely negated it with no evidence to put weight to your claim.


You used actual statistics when you wanted to select Pew survey results that support your claim, but you let other people do the thinking for you rather than use what Muslims actually think to gauge how many of them are extremists.

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No I don't, I have been using the definition of "extremism" consistently throughout


You have not been 'using' any definition. You have been letting others do the thinking for you, because your own thoughts lead you to a conclusion you did not like the look of.

For example, would you say that someone who thinks there should be the death penalty for apostasy is an extremist?


Firstly. I used results that derived from a study, holding credibility and reputability. Quite simply I cannot find such statistics directly from Muslims, are you able to?? Have you got alternative statistics to negate mine?

Secondly. Incorrect most of what I have stated is my opinion. My claims of those who are "extreme" has been based off that definition and that is the bottom line. You have to start some where to develop an informed opinion.

You are drawing a lot of far reaching implications now, I would assume to keep the thread going or to have the last word (I am not sure)

Interesting question....there are number of facets to consider here.

If they wanted to kill an individual because of apostasy, that would be called "extremism"
If they killed an individual because of apostasy, they would be an "extremist"

As you noted "death penalty" and thus a state of federally instituted means which was considered to be a normal part of the legislative system. Thus not in any way would one thinking such, when the death penalty existed in Australia, be considered extreme. In today's context however that thought would be considered an element of extremism, if they are actively expressed and the likelihood of such being carried out was prevalent. 



The fact is that you will never get a deceitful person to provide consistent, reliable information.
Islam praises and promotes deceitfulness as a tool for muslims to use, when interacting with infidels.

Secondly, what an Islamist considers extreme, is anyone's guess, tossing homosexuals off roofs, strapping bombs to preteens, raping non muslims, are all A-OK to Islamists, plus a bit of neck sawing for real fun, so what they define as extreme is absolutely meaningless by any standard of human decency.

The most reliable statistics from the most thorough surveys suggest a minimum of 20% support Islamist Jihadis, but many think the true number is really far higher.

So, minimum is 300 million Islamist supporters.

I would prefer that number became zero, but when they murder muslim voices that call for change, and moderation, it inspires no confidence that will come about through dialogue.
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Reply #95 - May 5th, 2018 at 6:53pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:35pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


That is confusing, Mr Kam...well to me anyway.  Can I ask you to repost that and throw in a comma or two, so there is no misunderstanding of what you are saying on my part.


Simplistically I am stating the law defines what is legal, illegal, extremism and the like. Thus categorisation of these notions come under society and legal definitions
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Reply #96 - May 5th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:04pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


Yes you are very clever. Would you mind translating that into English for us? Are you saying it is not extremism when they actually follow through and execute apostates, but is extremism when they don't do it? Or the other way round?

Is this how you ended up with only about 100,000 Islamic extremists?


The premise of my point is the law defines what is legal, illegal and extreme.
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Reply #97 - May 5th, 2018 at 7:26pm
 
goldkam wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:04pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


Yes you are very clever. Would you mind translating that into English for us? Are you saying it is not extremism when they actually follow through and execute apostates, but is extremism when they don't do it? Or the other way round?

Is this how you ended up with only about 100,000 Islamic extremists?


The premise of my point is the law defines what is legal, illegal and extreme.


The law defines what is legal and illegal. Beyond that, you have to think for yourself. Or at least, explain yourself. You still have not shed any light on the meaning of that gibberish.

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Reply #98 - May 6th, 2018 at 9:25pm
 

freediver wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
goldkam wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:04pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


Yes you are very clever. Would you mind translating that into English for us? Are you saying it is not extremism when they actually follow through and execute apostates, but is extremism when they don't do it? Or the other way round?

Is this how you ended up with only about 100,000 Islamic extremists?


The premise of my point is the law defines what is legal, illegal and extreme.


The law defines what is legal and illegal. Beyond that, you have to think for yourself. Or at least, explain yourself. You still have not shed any light on the meaning of that gibberish.



It was not gibberish, it was merely my insight. I gave you a simplified description of what I explained. I am not going to continually explain myself.
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Reply #99 - May 6th, 2018 at 11:04pm
 
goldkam wrote on May 6th, 2018 at 9:25pm:
freediver wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 7:26pm:
goldkam wrote on May 5th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:04pm:
goldkam wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 9:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
Are you suggesting there are contexts in which you do not consider support for the death penalty for apostasy to be extremism?


Correct...it is quite a complex topic and I can see you are attempting to outsmart me, its not working though.

The premise of this issue lies with whether the death penalty is legal and what is contained within the legislation. Thus if in a society the death penalty was legal and under legislation some form of negation of religious doctrine was considered illegal then it would not be considered extreme for two reasons. Legislatively (ie political) it is validated and legalised and legally the act of apostasy is not considered illegal in any way thus not form of religious extremism is evident. In this case the law defines what is extreme and what is not.


Yes you are very clever. Would you mind translating that into English for us? Are you saying it is not extremism when they actually follow through and execute apostates, but is extremism when they don't do it? Or the other way round?

Is this how you ended up with only about 100,000 Islamic extremists?


The premise of my point is the law defines what is legal, illegal and extreme.


The law defines what is legal and illegal. Beyond that, you have to think for yourself. Or at least, explain yourself. You still have not shed any light on the meaning of that gibberish.



It was not gibberish, it was merely my insight. I gave you a simplified description of what I explained. I am not going to continually explain myself.


It was not insight. It was gibberish. And your "simplified description" did not explain anything.

Are you saying it is not extremism when they actually follow through and execute apostates, but is extremism when they don't do it? Or the other way round?
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Reply #100 - May 6th, 2018 at 11:06pm
 
The death penalty was at one time rejected in the US as a 'cruel and unusual punishment' - and Gary Gilmore was the first person executed once that was reviewed and set aside.  He actually demanded his own death sentence be carried out, despite e3fforts by outsiders to prevent and delay it.

The death penalty can be 'legal' or 'illegal' depending on the statutes of the state in which it is applied... in Australia we do not have a death penalty... it is therefore illegal.

I sincerely doubt that any concept of that ritual beheading and throwing gays off roofs etc actually fits the bill of an organised society's prosecution of a death penalty. Contrary to Western civilisations, Middle Eastern nations have no 'common law', meaning that issues defined as 'criminal' are handled in the same way in every corner of the land, and are not just the application of some arbitrary value by a local head honcho and cohorts.

that is one huge difference between 'advanced' civilisations, and non-advanced ones.

That kind of garbage, head chopping for silly stuff like being an infidel, and roof throwing or hanging for being gay, is vigilante sh1t, and is totally in the mind of the self-appointed executioner and self-appointed judge and jury.

One damned good reason for having no death penalty, least of all one based on a religious belief and writings from centuries ago.

The issue you are discussing is civilisation v non-civilisation... and the former is based on the ability of a society/nation/culture to move further and further away from the brutal......

Islam has yet to encompass that idea, let alone take steps to begin it......
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Reply #101 - May 7th, 2018 at 6:56am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 10:23pm:

comparison of Christianity and Islam




A Christian is dangerous when he does NOT follow his faith.
A Muslim is dangerous when he DOES.
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Very succinct and totally accurate.

And an excellent reason to ban all muzzos from coming to or living in Australia.
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Reply #102 - May 7th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:51am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:40am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 24th, 2018 at 11:26am:
Islam has a tripwire within it that every last word in the Koran is said to be perfect.

Christianity is constantly moving with the times while Islam is still rooted in the dark ages.


Some. Some islamic sects think they move with the times too. More and more nowadays i am seeing religious people rejecting science.

Spot


Maybe if Saudi Arabia didn't have limitless finances to spread Wahabism around the word things would be different.

As we have it, even the biggest Islamic school in Sydney was funded by KSA.

All this while western countries are losing religion.


Sorry - what is KSA?

Our government funds catholic schools.

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