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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #75 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:41pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

You are changing the subject once again, to defend Islam. The Indo death penalty has been plastered all over the TV news recently. So don't be so condescending, although it is a favourite pose of yours.

This subject is about the introduction of beheading in Aceh for Islamic religious reasons, which you just cannot bring yourself to condemn without a string of caveats that render your opinion worthless anyway.

Need to update your dossiers, schmuck?

Capital punishment -v- beheading. Such a dilemma. Choose your poison?

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #76 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:47pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

You are changing the subject once again, to defend Islam. The Indo death penalty has been plastered all over the TV news recently. So don't be so condescending, although it is a favourite pose of yours.

This subject is about the introduction of beheading in Aceh for Islamic religious reasons, which you just cannot bring yourself to condemn without a string of caveats that render your opinion worthless anyway.

Need to update your dossiers, schmuck?

Nope.

This thread is about capital punishment.

I'm discussing capital punishment.

Would you like to try again?

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #77 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:54pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

You are changing the subject once again, to defend Islam. The Indo death penalty has been plastered all over the TV news recently. So don't be so condescending, although it is a favourite pose of yours.

This subject is about the introduction of beheading in Aceh for Islamic religious reasons, which you just cannot bring yourself to condemn without a string of caveats that render your opinion worthless anyway.

Need to update your dossiers, schmuck?

Specsavers open at 9 am.

I suggest you get down there first thing tomorrow morning.

My quotes, from this thread:

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In Indonesia, they've been using the "barbaric, primitive, brutal" death penalty since 1973.

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I'm 100% against the death penalty in all countries, in all circumstances.

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"Amnesty International [and Mr Peccary] opposes the death penalty in all cases, without exception, regardless of the nature or circumstances of the crime: guilt, innocence or other characteristics of the individual, or the method used by the state to carry out the execution."

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I don't support any religion.

Moreover, I don't support capital punishment at any time, in any place, under any circumstances.

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For those who missed it, I'm against all forms of capital punishment, in all countries, in all circumstances.

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Any law that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

The method of execution is merely a side issue.

Indonesia has been killing prisoners since 1973.

It was barbaric then, and it's barbaric now.

Quote:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid you look right now?

I'm curious.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #78 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:02pm

i thought capital punishment was a written language error..... some here do it all the time....

...OR THE INTERNET EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING AT SOME ASSHOLE WHO THOROUGHLY DESERVES IT..... (ouch that hurt even my ears).... whereas self-control and assertive behaviour under pressure from assholes is the body's way of reserving vengeance for when there are no witnesses.....

think i'll hit the sack and read a book.....

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #79 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

I missed the bit where you gave a straight answer to a simple question Greg. Would you like to have another try?

Do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #80 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:54pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:19pm:

FD also has a valid point.
At the last resort, only Legal (Political/Police) Courts should be handing out punishment for 'criminal' acts.
But the line is so very fine with Religion (Moral Codes) - but no, I do not think Religion has the 'right' to hand out Death Penalty or imprisonments ...only threats of burning in hell after death. Cheesy

Australia?
How do you kill an Aussie (Criminal)?
Leave them alone and they will do it themselves.
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He is being cute. The Courts in Aceh are those set up by the Sharia Government. Ipso facto, says FD, the Courts will be Sharia Courts per se. I say, no. They'll be courts adminstering whatever the Law of the Land is.

Incorrect. Aceh courts administer Sharia law unrelated to Indonesian law. Aceh operates autonomously in this regard.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #81 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:29am I understand that Sharia Law is Aceh Government Law. Am I wrong?
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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #82 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:54pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

You are changing the subject once again, to defend Islam. The Indo death penalty has been plastered all over the TV news recently. So don't be so condescending, although it is a favourite pose of yours.

This subject is about the introduction of beheading in Aceh for Islamic religious reasons, which you just cannot bring yourself to condemn without a string of caveats that render your opinion worthless anyway.

Need to update your dossiers, schmuck?

Specsavers open at 9 am.

I suggest you get down there first thing tomorrow morning.

My quotes, from this thread:

Quote:

In Indonesia, they've been using the "barbaric, primitive, brutal" death penalty since 1973.

Quote:

I'm 100% against the death penalty in all countries, in all circumstances.

Quote:

"Amnesty International [and Mr Peccary] opposes the death penalty in all cases, without exception, regardless of the nature or circumstances of the crime: guilt, innocence or other characteristics of the individual, or the method used by the state to carry out the execution."

Quote:

I don't support any religion.

Moreover, I don't support capital punishment at any time, in any place, under any circumstances.

Quote:

For those who missed it, I'm against all forms of capital punishment, in all countries, in all circumstances.

Quote:

Any law that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

The method of execution is merely a side issue.

Indonesia has been killing prisoners since 1973.

It was barbaric then, and it's barbaric now.

Quote:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid you look right now?

I'm curious.

So you quote yourself. If you wanted to start a thread on capital punishment you could have. This isn't it. Read the title, dimwit and put it in your dossier.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #83 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 9:05am

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:29am:

I understand that Sharia Law is Aceh Government Law. Am I wrong?

So does it accord with Indonesian 'federal' law? This is a big issue...is there a single 'federal' bill of rights or whatever? Here in Oz a state may not introduce a death penalty...

Unfortunately religious based law tends towards the subjective rather than the objective...

Reminds me of that British comedy sketch where a judge asks a jury foreman for the reasons the jury found the defendant guilty.... first reply is, "He looks guilty!", and we all know the automatic prejudice that adheres to anyone accused - "must be guilty or he wouldn't be there in the first place"....

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #84 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 9:17am

issuevoter wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:54pm:

issuevoter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

You are changing the subject once again, to defend Islam. The Indo death penalty has been plastered all over the TV news recently. So don't be so condescending, although it is a favourite pose of yours.

This subject is about the introduction of beheading in Aceh for Islamic religious reasons, which you just cannot bring yourself to condemn without a string of caveats that render your opinion worthless anyway.

Need to update your dossiers, schmuck?

Specsavers open at 9 am.

I suggest you get down there first thing tomorrow morning.

My quotes, from this thread:

Quote:

In Indonesia, they've been using the "barbaric, primitive, brutal" death penalty since 1973.

Quote:

I'm 100% against the death penalty in all countries, in all circumstances.

Quote:

"Amnesty International [and Mr Peccary] opposes the death penalty in all cases, without exception, regardless of the nature or circumstances of the crime: guilt, innocence or other characteristics of the individual, or the method used by the state to carry out the execution."

Quote:

I don't support any religion.

Moreover, I don't support capital punishment at any time, in any place, under any circumstances.

Quote:

For those who missed it, I'm against all forms of capital punishment, in all countries, in all circumstances.

Quote:

Any law that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

The method of execution is merely a side issue.

Indonesia has been killing prisoners since 1973.

It was barbaric then, and it's barbaric now.

Quote:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid you look right now?

I'm curious.

So you quote yourself. If you wanted to start a thread on capital punishment you could have. This isn't it. Read the title, dimwit and put it in your dossier.

Off-topic, personal abuse.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #85 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 9:27am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 9:05am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:29am:

I understand that Sharia Law is Aceh Government Law. Am I wrong?

So does it accord with Indonesian 'federal' law? This is a big issue...is there a single 'federal' bill of rights or whatever? Here in Oz a state may not introduce a death penalty...

Unfortunately religious based law tends towards the subjective rather than the objective...

Reminds me of that British comedy sketch where a judge asks a jury foreman for the reasons the jury found the defendant guilty.... first reply is, "He looks guilty!", and we all know the automatic prejudice that adheres to anyone accused - "must be guilty or he wouldn't be there in the first place"....

I dunno. Seems it has status as a 'special State' within the Republic but I have no idea how the Law there may influenced by the National Parliament or their high Court. I doubt anyone here knows either.

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #86 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 9:40am

The province of Aceh in Indonesia enforces some provisions of Islamic criminal law, the sole Indonesian province to do so. In Aceh, Islamic criminal law is called jinayat (an Arabic loanword). The laws that implement it are called Qanun Jinayat or Hukum Jinayat, roughly meaning "Islamic criminal code".[1][a] Although the largely-secular laws of Indonesia apply in Aceh, the provincial government passed additional regulations, some derived from Islamic criminal law, after Indonesia authorized its provinces to enact regional regulations (perda) and granted Aceh special autonomy to implement Islamic law. Offences under the provisions include alcohol consumption, production and distribution, gambling, adultery, rape, sexual harassment, certain intimacies outside marriage, and certain homosexual acts. Punishments include caning, fines, and imprisonment. There is no provision for stoning; an attempt to introduce it in 2009 was vetoed by Governor Irwandi Yusuf. In 2016 Aceh processed 324 first instance court cases under Islamic criminal law, and carried out at least 100 caning sentences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_criminal_law_in_Aceh

Whats wrong with doing a simple google? bugger you are lazy.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #87 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 10:13am I had already read that. It remains unclear to what extent the Laws of the Republic may or do over-ride or limit those within Aceh.
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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #88 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 12:16pm

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

I missed the bit where you gave a straight answer to a simple question Greg. Would you like to have another try?

Do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

Aussie? Would you like a try seeing as Greg can't bring himself to answer?

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Re: Beheadings in Aceh?
Reply #89 - Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 1:13pm

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 12:16pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

I missed the bit where you gave a straight answer to a simple question Greg. Would you like to have another try?

Do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

Aussie? Would you like a try seeing as Greg can't bring himself to answer?

Sure. Define 'religious Court' first.

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