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Reply #60 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:27am:

Greg do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

FD....I've just had a read of the Thread. That is a sneaky irrelevance.

It is the Government of Aceh which is making the Law, and it is for the Government's Courts to work within the Law, whether it is Sharia or otherwise.

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Reply #61 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:12am

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:27am:

Greg do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

FD....I've just had a read of the Thread. That is a sneaky irrelevance.

It is the Government of Aceh which is making the Law, and it is for the Government's Courts to work within the Law, whether it is Sharia or otherwise.

Ah - that's all right then.....

Now all that needs to be determined, as with NAZI Germany, is whether or not those laws meet the standard of law as accepted generally worldwide. Everything the NAZIs did was legally passed in their house of parliament... somehow the ROTW didn't agree with some of it...

But then - the issue of national sovereignty comes up - a state may do with its people as it lawfully requires and another state may not intervene without clear reason (such as a declaration of war, etc) - which raises the further issue of whether or not those people are vassals of the state or its owners and operators....... and what constitutes their REAL rights, including basic legal rights (innocent until proven guilty or what, etc), and jurisprudence (the way the courts accept or reject evidence and what KIND of evidence) ...

We have the same issues here on a daily basis... but we don't have a death penalty.

Downe At Ye Olde Aceh Chopafewmore Court House:-

"Yer 'Onnah - the defendant is accused of murder AND blasphemy!"

"Guilty".......

(It seems he made the cut).........

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #62 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:13am Did you read the OP Aussie? Quote: The Sharia Government in Aceh revealed it was considering the introduction of beheading
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Reply #63 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:28am

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:13am:

Did you read the OP Aussie?

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The Sharia Government in Aceh revealed it was considering the introduction of beheading

Yes I read it. Yes, it is a Sharia Government. So the Courts will be those of the Sharia Government. That okay with you in a democracy including a Sharia one?

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16097 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #64 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:08pm Sharia law dictates, among other attrocities; Death for leaving the cult Death for homosexuality Death for teaching other than Islamic Death for infidels Etc, etc, etc Don't sound too democratic to me. What about those not Islamic?
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Reply #65 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:11pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:28am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:13am:

Did you read the OP Aussie?

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The Sharia Government in Aceh revealed it was considering the introduction of beheading

Yes I read it. Yes, it is a Sharia Government. So the Courts will be those of the Sharia Government. That okay with you in a democracy including a Sharia one?

No Aussie. Would you be OK with them beheading people for homosexuality, with support of the majority of the population? Is right or wrong nothing more than a popularity contest for you?

Do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

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Reply #66 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:14pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:08pm:

Sharia law dictates, among other attrocities;
Death for leaving the cult
Death for homosexuality
Death for teaching other than Islamic
Death for infidels

Etc, etc, etc

Don't sound too democratic to me.

What about those not Islamic?

Any law that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

The method of execution is merely a side issue.

Indonesia has been killing prisoners since 1973.

It was barbaric then, and it's barbaric now.

The same goes for those 31 states in the USA: barbaric.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #67 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:18pm Greg do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 131566 Gender:	Re: Beheadings in Aceh? Reply #68 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm For those who missed it. Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.
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Reply #69 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:51pm

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:28am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:13am:

Did you read the OP Aussie?

Quote:

The Sharia Government in Aceh revealed it was considering the introduction of beheading

Yes I read it. Yes, it is a Sharia Government. So the Courts will be those of the Sharia Government. That okay with you in a democracy including a Sharia one?

No Aussie. Would you be OK with them beheading people for homosexuality, with support of the majority of the population? Is right or wrong nothing more than a popularity contest for you?

Do you see any particular danger in handing a religious court the authority to hand out death sentences?

No, and I assume you are not surprised at that response, are you?

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Reply #70 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:19pm

FD also has a valid point.
At the last resort, only Legal (Political/Police) Courts should be handing out punishment for 'criminal' acts.
But the line is so very fine with Religion (Moral Codes) - but no, I do not think Religion has the 'right' to hand out Death Penalty or imprisonments ...only threats of burning in hell after death. Cheesy

Australia?
How do you kill an Aussie (Criminal)?
Leave them alone and they will do it themselves.
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Reply #71 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:23pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:19pm:

FD also has a valid point.
At the last resort, only Legal (Political/Police) Courts should be handing out punishment for 'criminal' acts.
But the line is so very fine with Religion (Moral Codes) - but no, I do not think Religion has the 'right' to hand out Death Penalty or imprisonments ...only threats of burning in hell after death. Cheesy

Australia?
How do you kill an Aussie (Criminal)?
Leave them alone and they will do it themselves.
Wink

He is being cute. The Courts in Aceh are those set up by the Sharia Government. Ipso facto, says FD, the Courts will be Sharia Courts per se. I say, no. They'll be courts adminstering whatever the Law of the Land is.

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Reply #72 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:41pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:23pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 2:19pm:

FD also has a valid point.
At the last resort, only Legal (Political/Police) Courts should be handing out punishment for 'criminal' acts.
But the line is so very fine with Religion (Moral Codes) - but no, I do not think Religion has the 'right' to hand out Death Penalty or imprisonments ...only threats of burning in hell after death. Cheesy

Australia?
How do you kill an Aussie (Criminal)?
Leave them alone and they will do it themselves.
Wink

He is being cute. The Courts in Aceh are those set up by the Sharia Government. Ipso facto, says FD, the Courts will be Sharia Courts per se. I say, no. They'll be courts adminstering whatever the Law of the Land is.

True.
But where is the line drawn between Religion & Politics.
If it is 'Government' then its a Political expression that just does the bidding of a facet of a Religion:Sharia.
Considering that Britain has brought in the most superior, effective and 'honest' approach to Politics in the World (not that the French recognise it yet, but the Germans have) along with the International language of 'English') - I very much doubt that this 'Sharia' would be deemed by the world to be a justifiable act of Religion to be supported by the Legal/Political system.

Might as well make Laws supporting the moral whims of Little-Pebble and his cult.

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Reply #73 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 4:55pm

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. Any law that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

The method of execution is merely a side issue.

Indonesia has been killing prisoners since 1973.

It was barbaric then, and it's barbaric now.

The same goes for those 31 states in the USA: barbaric.

So Mr peccamitty

You believe the muzzo CULT to be an ass?

This is a whole new side of you we have not seen.

ALL MUZZOS believe in Sharia law

Sharia law dictates several terminal punishments for a number of discretions.

The muzzo CULT itself dictates in its own teachings, terminal punishment for any number of discretions.

By your own admission, you therefore consider the muzzo CULT an ass.

Thank you for clearing that up.

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Reply #74 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 12:26pm:

For those who missed it.

Any law, from any court, that dictates death for any crime is an ass.

You are changing the subject once again, to defend Islam. The Indo death penalty has been plastered all over the TV news recently. So don't be so condescending, although it is a favourite pose of yours.

This subject is about the introduction of beheading in Aceh for Islamic religious reasons, which you just cannot bring yourself to condemn without a string of caveats that render your opinion worthless anyway.

Need to update your dossiers, schmuck?

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