There may be one or two genuine vegans that think deeply about the planet and their own health.

Then the other 99% of them are just dropkicks that want to belong to a group, a tribe.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 19^th, 2018 at 9:05pm:


Bears eat their own cubs.

Actually, humans are natural herbivores.

The earliest branch of Hominids (our ancestors) were primarily 'Vegetarian'. The slow digestion of plants showed in the 'stature' of these early Hominids - short and squatty, as most digestion was based in the lower gut area.

Then Homo-Agastus emerged and the scavenging of meat from dead animals (because this Hominid species had not developed 'hunting' yet) changed the physical stature of our species into a more 'upright' being due to meat digesting quickly and in the upper-gut region.

We had become 'Omnivorious'.

After Homo-Agastus, other Hominid branches developed basic hunting of meats and things just seemed to 'branch out' from there.

More doors opened.


These days, the 'mindless' SLAUGHTER of animals and the pathetic treatment of them is insidious.
I remember working 'Mass Production' Poultry and watching the 'unwanted' male 'chicks' thrown down 'macerators' ...LIVE. Hatched to be hacked.

It's the 'disrespect' for any form of life that is the 'flaw'.
Killing sharks for fins, Bison for furs, Seals for furs ...killing NOT FOR FOOD, but really just for MONETARY GAIN.

Killing animals for 'Money' (and not food) should be put in the 'Murder' basket.
Like all 'habits' - things develop from these people to kill people ...for money.

To say that Animals live by the 'being killed' by Predators.
Yes - that may be true of them, but many animals exist in harmony with other animals and in times of duress - even alongside Predators.

We have finally 'conquered' the Animal Kingdom to get where we are (survive)
But now we have to refrain from 'exterminating' them - or we shall 'fail' indeed (to live).

cods wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:


Every little bit helps.

I probably eat too much red meat, but I rarely eat chicken.

I'll only eat the 'dirty bird' if someone serves it up at a dinner party, or BBQ.

I don't buy it from the supermarket, and I don't order it at restaurants.

Similarly, I don't buy eggs.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 12:32pm:


Incorrect.

You couldn't be further from the truth.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 12:57pm:


The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

Good luck with that one, BC.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:21am:


Again with the one line idiocy

Humans have eyes on the front of their heads, to enable them to judge the distance of their prey
Humans have canine teeth to tear meat
Humans have a digestive system designed for both meat and vegetables
Humans are omniverious

Hey troll
Get an education

I'm curious about your motivation to be a troll?

Is it truly that you have no real life?
Is it that you get some form of gratification from it?
Are you so poorly constructed mentally that you think what you do is funny?

Or are you simply a twisted individual who worships the retarded and sick of this world?

I'm curious tell me in more than you single line irritating and derogatory platform.

If you can muster your twisted thoughts enough to answer truthfully

cods wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 2:53pm:


Check the link of the butcher, they're one of the most trusted wholesalers to high end restaurants

Yeah fish too, only from the fish market.

Valkie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 2:03pm:


It's not idiocy - it's a fact.

Humans are natural herbivores.

I'm not knocking meat eaters - as I've said before, I eat way too much red meat myself.

However, the simple fact of the matter is this: humans are natural herbivores.

I think you've missed GP's point Valkie.
Humans are 'natural' Herbivores
and now - they are also natural Carnivores too.

The early branches of Hominids, right from the even earlier Ape ancestry was totally 'Herbivorous'.
It was only until Homo-Agastus came on the scene and started scavenging 'meat' from dead animals, did things start to change in a new direction.

Valkie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 3:40pm:


Indeed.

When I first encountered you on this forum, I thought you were a decent person.

Our eyes have evolved to hunt prey, to know how far away they are and to hunt

Canines can be for meat eaters and for defence
Gorillas also occasionally hunt monkeys for meat.

Humans evolved to be omniverious, we can consume meat or vegitarian matter
But not vegitarian matter only, the diet has to be supplemented or you become ill.

No human can subsist on hay, grass or other vegitarian matter that true vegitarian animals thrive on, our gut isn't designed to do it.

Mankind is a hunter predator
No matter how much you and your I'll deny it
We have thrived and grown for millions of years being omniverious
It's only recently, when sad twisted people have found fault with being a predatory animal

Next you will be saying that man and women are the same , and that is just sick.

Gordon wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 4:11pm:


So very true.
It was a diet that metabolised much faster than chewing plants and gave a higher 'short term' energy output.

Carl Lewis



"I've found that a person does not need protein from meat to be a successful athlete. In fact, my best year of track competition was the first year I ate a vegan diet.

"Moreover, by continuing to eat a vegan diet, my weight is under control, I like the way I look. (I know that sounds vain, but all of us want to like the way we look.) I enjoy eating more, and I feel great."

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 6:32pm:


Possibly.

He doesn't eat meat, though.

Moreover, meat-eating athletes get busted for using performance enhancing drugs too.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:

Maybe if he ate meat he'd have the energy to not need pills.

I haven't eaten pussy in a very very long time.
I wonder if that has affected my health in any way?

Could someone who eats a lot of pussy tell me if their health is affected in any way.
Do they act like a real C^^^ sometimes?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:


No, I didn't.

He cheated for sport - not for living.

Moreover, there are hundreds of other athletes in the world who are vegan/vegetarian who haven't taken drugs.

Venus Williams - vegan.

Comments?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 8:27pm:


She doesn't eat meat, and she's 10 times as strong as you.

Man, that's gotta hurt you real bad.

A strong, black, vegan, woman superior to you in every way imaginable.

Humans are scavengers.
Back in the begining we would eat whatever we found. 

I believe it was when we started to cook our food that our brain became what it is today due to the excess energy left over from easier food digestion.

In the end...you are what you eat.

I've also heard that people with wheat allergies may not be allergic to the grain so much as to the chemicals used to modify/fertilise/grow the grain.
This also applies to other allergies.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:54am:



Electric eel? 
None.....that I can think of anyway.
It did create easier digestion giving us the ability to evolve quicker.
Problem with cooking is it can take out a lot of the nutrients.


I think the only organism that has evolved at the same speed as humans is the cephalopod. They problem solve in the same way as we do too. Very clever animals.

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:05am:


I love cephalopods, particularly the old occy

They have two hearts, problem solve and have the conceptual cognition of art.
The octopuses garden is an example of this.

In many cases, they are smarter than some humans.

Jasin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 11:02am:


That would only be done in egg production poultry.

Meat production keeps both sexes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 6:28pm:


He'd already been raised as an omnivore & would have eaten meat before he finished growing and competing as an Olympic athlete.

We are omnivores.

Greg that is the sort of idiotic pseudoscience the OP was criticising. No-one is saying we are natural carnivores. We are natural omnivores.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:25am:


Most people are behavioural omnivores, sure.

However, humans are biologically herbivores.

I like to eat meat, but I don't subscribe to the 'protein propaganda' distributed by the meat industry.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:25am:


Shall we go through each point, one by one?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:11am:



I've seen similar doco's.
I think it was here in SEQ at underwater world that they had a problem with an ocy removing its tank cover, crawling over to another fish tank, removing that lid and eating the fish. After it had finished it put everything back where it belonged and crawled back to its own tank. It wasn't untill they installed cctv cameras that they worked out what was happening.


I don't know how true it is but I have heard that if cephalopods keep evolving the way they are then they may outsmart humans in time.

Milton R. Mills, M.D., serves as associate director of preventive medicine for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), a North American group of doctors and laypersons dedicated to promoting improved health care, better and more appropriate nutrition, and higher standards in medical research.

Dr. Mills practices outpatient clinic-based medicine in Northern Virginia and works as a critical care physician with Fairfax Hospital in Fairfax, Virginia and United Medical Center in Washington DC. His varied experiences specializing in internal medicine and HIV disease, and in the relationship between nutrition and chronic diseases has made him extensively knowledgeable about the unique healthcare needs of minorities, the challenges of practicing medicine in inner cities, and the special medical and nutritional requirements of HIV+ and AIDS patients.

Idiotic pseudoscience?

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:16am:


Greg?

Do you think they intended to deceive? Or were they just too ignorant to realise what Omnivores are?

Also, can you tell us which of those are evidence that we have opposable thumbs and use tools rather than being evidence of our diet?

Valkie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 5:23pm:


I'm not trying to do anything.

I eat meat myself, and other people can eat as much as they like - I couldn't care less.

I'm just letting you know the facts: humans don't need meat to be healthy.

Humans are natural herbivores.

Greg, can you answer the question? Do you understand what you are posting? Do you have anything other than idiotic pseudoscience to offer?

The willingness of the anti-meat mob to parrot whatever propaganda they can find, no matter how tedious or stupid, and no matter their ability to understand or even attempt to explain it, is a pretty good example of the the point being made in the OP. Thanks Greg.

Greg are you afraid to have an opinion on that table because you are afraid to think about what it actually means?

Would it be fair to describe your 'evidence' as idiotic pseudoscience?

Actually FreeDiver.
GreggeryPeccary is right (and his graph) - we are more naturally 'herbivorous' than we are 'carnivorous' (though we are 'naturally' that as well, but not as much) - hence why it breaks down just as 'Omnivorous'.

BUT.

Just one flaw with your graph GP.
We don't need to be designed 'physically' to be like a Predator. The 'Tool' (Weapon) is what made the game change. 

See: There is always more than just 'one' right answer and things don't have to be just 'black or white'.

Valkie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 3:44pm:


No, we don't.

You've been misinformed.

Martina Navratilova, Mike Tyson, Venus Williams, for example: all vegans.

Yes, not just vegetarians, but vegans.

"It’s been scientifically proven that it’s better for our bodies to get our protein from plant-based sources rather than meat, yet the average American eats 200 pounds of meat per year.

"Meat and dairy consumption are linked with numerous health risks including cancer, heart disease, obesity and more; however, the U.S. government and many medical doctors (MDs) support the false ideology that people need to consume a specific amount of meat and dairy products to maintain a healthy diet."

Valkie wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 4:14pm:


Changed your mind on this already, I see:

"Because we need meat to be healthy".

Good; you're learning.

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 12:19pm:


Yes Peccar repeatedly claims we are "herbivores".

Yet we have the digital dexterity to make sharp pointed weapons to hunt & kill other herbivores(meat) to eat only as far back as 2 million years.(sarc)

So after eating meat for 2 million years as well as plants ..... we are just natural herbivores.  

Peccar here's you sign

Gnads wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:11pm:


It's a fact: we are natural herbivores.

However, we are behaviourally omnivores.

Not so hard to understand.

Gnads wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:23pm:


Look, if you want to believe that sort of nonsense, that's up to you.

It doesn't bother me one way or the other.

I love to eat meat, and I'm not trying to stop anyone else from enjoying it.

I'm merely clearing up some misconceptions:

1. we are natural herbivores, not omnivores

2. we don't need meat for protein, or to be healthy

It's all good.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:21pm:


incorrect...

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2018 at 7:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 9:36am:



gweg,

the female of the species hung around the village and dug up yams and picked berries .
meanwhile the strong powerful and brave men went and hunted for meat.

now, we recognise that you arent an alpha male , so you would have had to hang out with the women, but thats no reason to not fall down in awe when us alpha males returned with the meat.

after us alphas had eaten our fill, the beta males were able to pick over the scraps. (just like a wolf pack).
after us alphas had chosen the best mates , the betas were allowed to mate with fat janeen.

your life may have been a bit glum, but cheer up, the alphas were there to protect you at night when the sabre tooth tiger came

Greg why did you post a table as evidence that excludes omnivores, eats meat, and eats plants? Were you just giving an example of the idiotic pseudoscience the op was criticising?

There are also other indications we were meant to eat meat. The otherwise poor ability to convert vegetable based iron for example, the lack of testosterone produced in males on a non red meat diet. There are very few serious athletes who are vegetarian and the ones who are are, are forced to take supplements to counteract the lack of meat on their diet.

rhino wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2018 at 2:32pm:


Supplements?

You mean like, food other than meat - ie a "vegetarian diet"?

When you think about it, thats a pretty dumb thing to say Rhino.