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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #60 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:30am
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 8:13am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 8:05am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 7:54am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 7:50am:
Humans are scavengers.
Back in the begining we would eat whatever we found. 

I believe it was when we started to cook our food that our brain became what it is today due to the excess energy left over from easier food digestion.

In the end...you are what you eat.

I've also heard that people with wheat allergies may not be allergic to the grain so much as to the chemicals used to modify/fertilise/grow the grain.
This also applies to other allergies.



Yes, that's a common theory in regards to nut and peanut allergies.

As far as cooking our food goes, what other animal on the planet does that?



Electric eel?  Grin
None.....that I can think of anyway.
It did create easier digestion giving us the ability to evolve quicker.
Problem with cooking is it can take out a lot of the nutrients.


I think the only organism that has evolved at the same speed as humans is the cephalopod. They problem solve in the same way as we do too. Very clever animals.




I love cephalopods, particularly the old occy

They have two hearts, problem solve and have the conceptual cognition of art.
The octopuses garden is an example of this.

In many cases, they are smarter than some humans.



Being a fisherman myself I have admired these creatures for some time.
They own the ocean. Nothing takes them on. Sharks may be the lions of the sea but the squid is the human being equivalent.
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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #61 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:36am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 8:11am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 8:05am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 7:54am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 7:50am:
Humans are scavengers.
Back in the begining we would eat whatever we found. 

I believe it was when we started to cook our food that our brain became what it is today due to the excess energy left over from easier food digestion.

In the end...you are what you eat.

I've also heard that people with wheat allergies may not be allergic to the grain so much as to the chemicals used to modify/fertilise/grow the grain.
This also applies to other allergies.



Yes, that's a common theory in regards to nut and peanut allergies.

As far as cooking our food goes, what other animal on the planet does that?



Electric eel?  Grin
None.....that I can think of anyway.
It did create easier digestion giving us the ability to evolve quicker.
Problem with cooking is it can take out a lot of the nutrients.


I think the only organism that has evolved at the same speed as humans is the cephalopod. They problem solve in the same way as we do too. Very clever animals.




I remember seeing a video once of an octopus solving problems - opening locked doors, and navigating its way through a maze etc.

Quite amazing.



I've seen similar doco's.
I think it was here in SEQ at underwater world that they had a problem with an ocy removing its tank cover, crawling over to another fish tank, removing that lid and eating the fish. After it had finished it put everything back where it belonged and crawled back to its own tank. It wasn't untill they installed cctv cameras that they worked out what was happening.


I don't know how true it is but I have heard that if cephalopods keep evolving the way they are then they may outsmart humans in time.
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Reply #62 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 12:03pm
 
Quote:
. These days, the 'mindless' SLAUGHTER of animals and the pathetic treatment of them is insidious.
I remember working 'Mass Production' Poultry and watching the 'unwanted' male 'chicks' thrown down 'macerators' ...LIVE. Hatched to be hacked.

It's the 'disrespect' for any form of life that is the 'flaw'.
Killing sharks for fins, Bison for furs, Seals for furs ...killing NOT FOR FOOD, but really just for MONETARY GAIN.

Killing animals for 'Money' (and not food) should be put in the 'Murder' basket.
Like all 'habits' - things develop from these people to kill people ...for money.

To say that Animals live by the 'being killed' by Predators.
Yes - that may be true of them, but many animals exist in harmony with other animals and in times of duress - even alongside Predators.

We have finally 'conquered' the Animal Kingdom to get where we are (survive)
But now we have to refrain from 'exterminating' them - or we shall 'fail' indeed (to live).    


I'm sorry that I missed this first time around.
I was arguing with the peanut gallery at the time.

I understand fully why people hate this sort of thing
It's disgusting, and disrespectful to the animals and to the people doing it.

Meat should be taken humanely
Yes, animals will die to feed us, this is life
No different from us consuming vegitarian which are alive too.

But disgusting treatment of animals should be banned.
As an individual, I can only purchase my food from reputable sources
I purchase free range eggs and where possible meat.
I fish, and I can assure you that I dispatch the fish immediately after catching them if I am going to eat them
I only take enough for a single meal
I realise it's still cruel, but human instinct drives us all
I do not torture the fish, leaving them to die slowly or in a bag dangling on the side of the boat.

But even knowing the disgusting cruelty exists will not stop me from eating meat.

Would that I could make a difference, I would, but this is not to be.

In time, mankind will begin eating man.
It's inevitable, we will eventually run out of available food sources and with mankind being plentyful, it will happen.
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Reply #63 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
...

Milton R. Mills, M.D., serves as associate director of preventive medicine for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), a North American group of doctors and laypersons dedicated to promoting improved health care, better and more appropriate nutrition, and higher standards in medical research.

Dr. Mills practices outpatient clinic-based medicine in Northern Virginia and works as a critical care physician with Fairfax Hospital in Fairfax, Virginia and United Medical Center in Washington DC. His varied experiences specializing in internal medicine and HIV disease, and in the relationship between nutrition and chronic diseases has made him extensively knowledgeable about the unique healthcare needs of minorities, the challenges of practicing medicine in inner cities, and the special medical and nutritional requirements of HIV+ and AIDS patients.


Idiotic pseudoscience?
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Reply #64 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 5:23pm
 
Peccamitty found 1, Uno, one so called scientist to back up his ridiculous belief that humans are prey.

Do you work for the grubberment?
Trying to calm down the population and making them meek and mild herbivores?

Humans evolved as omnivorous beings
We eat meat and veggies
A healthy diet consists of vegitarian and protein, not just roots and berries.

No amount of twisted research can prove otherwise

Why you ask

Because man has been eating meat for millions of years
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Reply #65 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:16am:
Sure. Can you explain why your table compared humans to carnivores and herbivores, but left out omnivores?

Idiotic pseudoscience, or just idiotic?


Greg?

Do you think they intended to deceive? Or were they just too ignorant to realise what Omnivores are?

Also, can you tell us which of those are evidence that we have opposable thumbs and use tools rather than being evidence of our diet?
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Reply #66 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 7:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 6:42pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 11:16am:
Sure. Can you explain why your table compared humans to carnivores and herbivores, but left out omnivores?

Idiotic pseudoscience, or just idiotic?


Greg?

Do you think they intended to deceive? Or were they just too ignorant to realise what Omnivores are?

Also, can you tell us which of those are evidence that we have opposable thumbs and use tools rather than being evidence of our diet?


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Reply #67 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 7:16pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 5:23pm:
Peccamitty found 1, Uno, one so called scientist to back up his ridiculous belief that humans are prey.

Do you work for the grubberment?
Trying to calm down the population and making them meek and mild herbivores
?

Humans evolved as omnivorous beings
We eat meat and veggies
A healthy diet consists of vegitarian and protein, not just roots and berries.

No amount of twisted research can prove otherwise

Why you ask

Because man has been eating meat for millions of years



I'm not trying to do anything.

I eat meat myself, and other people can eat as much as they like - I couldn't care less.

I'm just letting you know the facts: humans don't need meat to be healthy.

Humans are natural herbivores.
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Reply #68 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 9:02pm
 
Effendi seems to have bolted.

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Reply #69 - Mar 21st, 2018 at 10:19pm
 
Greg, can you answer the question? Do you understand what you are posting? Do you have anything other than idiotic pseudoscience to offer?

The willingness of the anti-meat mob to parrot whatever propaganda they can find, no matter how tedious or stupid, and no matter their ability to understand or even attempt to explain it, is a pretty good example of the the point being made in the OP. Thanks Greg.
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Reply #70 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 7:21am
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 21st, 2018 at 5:23pm:
Peccamitty found 1, Uno, one so called scientist to back up his ridiculous belief that humans are prey.

Do you work for the grubberment?
Trying to calm down the population and making them meek and mild herbivores?

Humans evolved as omnivorous beings
We eat meat and veggies

A healthy diet consists of vegitarian and protein, not just roots and berries.

No amount of twisted research can prove otherwise

Why you ask

Because man has been eating meat for millions of years



Don't get sucked in by the meat industry's protein propaganda.

A vegetarian diet provides more than enough protein for us humans.

Science has proven repeatedly that all protein is initially created in plants through a process known as protein biosynthesis.

There's absolutely no need to eat meat in order to live a healthy life.

That's just a meat industry myth - nothing more.


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Reply #71 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 12:19pm
 
Greg are you afraid to have an opinion on that table because you are afraid to think about what it actually means?

Would it be fair to describe your 'evidence' as idiotic pseudoscience?
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Reply #72 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 3:44pm
 
For millions of years humans have been omnivores.

No human race ever evolved totally vegitarian until fairly recently.

Our bodies subsist ideally on meat, fish and veggies

Any vegitarian died is supplemented with other foods nuts and protein rich foods.

Why?
Because we need meat to be healthy

No vegan ( closest thing to total vegitarian) is healthy.
They are weak, skinny and often suffer from one health issue or another

Humans are and always have been omnivorous
No pseudo science and new age propaganda can prove otherwise.

We have eaten meat for millions of years
That makes us omnivorous, not vegitarian.
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Reply #73 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 3:48pm
 
Actually FreeDiver.
GreggeryPeccary is right (and his graph) - we are more naturally 'herbivorous' than we are 'carnivorous' (though we are 'naturally' that as well, but not as much) - hence why it breaks down just as 'Omnivorous'.

BUT.

Just one flaw with your graph GP.
We don't need to be designed 'physically' to be like a Predator. The 'Tool' (Weapon) is what made the game change.  Wink

See: There is always more than just 'one' right answer and things don't have to be just 'black or white'.
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Reply #74 - Mar 22nd, 2018 at 4:04pm
 
Maybe being Herbivorous made us smart enough to make tools to thus eat/hunt meat?
Would sound nice, but Early Hominid species 'scavenged' meat from dead animals. Even took a long time to develop stone cutting tools and eventually the art of 'cooking' meat over fire (probably tasted better after a bush-fire when scavenged).
So maybe it was 'meat' that was the 'brain' food?  Huh

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I've dived the Octopolis/Octlantis ...the Octopus 'cities'.
Yes - they are all there 'living co-existently' like no other place on earth, as Octopus are 99.9% 'solitary' species (until mating). But there they are all living together happily and 'socialising'.
It's a 'secret' place, that I can't reveal. Only researchers, from around the world and special 'film crews', etc. We keep a tight lid on it.
I'm sure there are some 'peoples' around the world that would think that if they ate these Octopi - it will make them more intelligent!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Personally, I think these Octopi are getting ready to take over the world, once we annihilate ourselves and most of nearly ever species and our 'remains' (cultural) will be their 'Precedence' to learn from and make them even wiser and smarter than us Bipeds.

Truefully though.
The 'smartest' specials of all, is the ORCA. It has so much 'extra ability' brain sections, we are so lucky we can not communicate with them yet ...or they will Jedi Mind Control us soooo quickly, they won't need 'hands' when we'll be working for them. Shocked
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