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Reply #45 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:13am

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:54am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 7:50am:

Humans are scavengers.
Back in the begining we would eat whatever we found.

I believe it was when we started to cook our food that our brain became what it is today due to the excess energy left over from easier food digestion.

In the end...you are what you eat.

I've also heard that people with wheat allergies may not be allergic to the grain so much as to the chemicals used to modify/fertilise/grow the grain.
This also applies to other allergies.

Yes, that's a common theory in regards to nut and peanut allergies.

As far as cooking our food goes, what other animal on the planet does that?

Electric eel? Grin

None.....that I can think of anyway.
It did create easier digestion giving us the ability to evolve quicker.
Problem with cooking is it can take out a lot of the nutrients.

I think the only organism that has evolved at the same speed as humans is the cephalopod. They problem solve in the same way as we do too. Very clever animals.

I love cephalopods, particularly the old occy

They have two hearts, problem solve and have the conceptual cognition of art.
The octopuses garden is an example of this.

In many cases, they are smarter than some humans.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28107 Gender:	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #46 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:43am greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 10:21am: Actually, humans are natural herbivores. We are omnivores & have been since caveman days. Even Chimpanzees eat meat.
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Reply #47 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 8:49am

Jasin wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 11:02am:

The earliest branch of Hominids (our ancestors) were primarily 'Vegetarian'. The slow digestion of plants showed in the 'stature' of these early Hominids - short and squatty, as most digestion was based in the lower gut area.

Then Homo-Agastus emerged and the scavenging of meat from dead animals (because this Hominid species had not developed 'hunting' yet) changed the physical stature of our species into a more 'upright' being due to meat digesting quickly and in the upper-gut region.

We had become 'Omnivorious'.

After Homo-Agastus, other Hominid branches developed basic hunting of meats and things just seemed to 'branch out' from there.

More doors opened.

These days, the 'mindless' SLAUGHTER of animals and the pathetic treatment of them is insidious.
I remember working 'Mass Production' Poultry and watching the 'unwanted' male 'chicks' thrown down 'macerators' ...LIVE. Hatched to be hacked.

It's the 'disrespect' for any form of life that is the 'flaw'.
Killing sharks for fins, Bison for furs, Seals for furs ...killing NOT FOR FOOD, but really just for MONETARY GAIN.

Killing animals for 'Money' (and not food) should be put in the 'Murder' basket.
Like all 'habits' - things develop from these people to kill people ...for money.

To say that Animals live by the 'being killed' by Predators.
Yes - that may be true of them, but many animals exist in harmony with other animals and in times of duress - even alongside Predators.

We have finally 'conquered' the Animal Kingdom to get where we are (survive)
But now we have to refrain from 'exterminating' them - or we shall 'fail' indeed (to live).

That would only be done in egg production poultry.

Meat production keeps both sexes.

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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #48 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:01am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

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Canines can be for meat eaters and for defence

Can be, yes.

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Gorillas also occasionally hunt monkeys for meat.

Occasionally, yes.

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Humans evolved to be omniverious, we can consume meat or vegitarian matter
But not vegitarian matter only, the diet has to be supplemented or you become ill.

100% incorrect.

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No human can subsist on hay, grass or other vegitarian matter that true vegitarian animals thrive on, our gut isn't designed to do it.

Completely incorrect, again.

Now, what about all of the other herbivorous animals that have canines?

Our gut is not that of a typical herbivore.

Herbivores many of which are ruminants have large guts that allow for breakdown & digestion by fermentation & they regurgitate(chew cud) as a secondary aid to help the digestion of what is mostly indigestible plant material(cellulose).

Where we have a small gut & large intestinal tract.

In the main plant material for us is roughage/fibre.

So as omnivores we need a balanced diet of both meat & plants to make our gut bacteria healthy.

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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #49 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2018 at 6:28pm:

Carl Lewis

https://statics.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/136887647-1442931449-...

"I've found that a person does not need protein from meat to be a successful athlete. In fact, my best year of track competition was the first year I ate a vegan diet.

"Moreover, by continuing to eat a vegan diet, my weight is under control, I like the way I look. (I know that sounds vain, but all of us want to like the way we look.) I enjoy eating more, and I feel great."

He'd already been raised as an omnivore & would have eaten meat before he finished growing and competing as an Olympic athlete.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28107 Gender:	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #51 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 9:39am We are omnivores.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #53 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:25am Greg that is the sort of idiotic pseudoscience the OP was criticising. No-one is saying we are natural carnivores. We are natural omnivores.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28107 Gender:	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #54 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:29am It matters not ... I'm not supporting a protein(meat only) diet. But we have managed to eat meat since caveman days... in fact they even ate the "predators". If it was so bad for us why didn't it kill off those early humans? We are omnivores.
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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #55 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:35am

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:25am:

Greg that is the sort of idiotic pseudoscience the OP was criticising. No-one is saying we are natural carnivores. We are natural omnivores.

Most people are behavioural omnivores, sure.

However, humans are biologically herbivores.

I like to eat meat, but I don't subscribe to the 'protein propaganda' distributed by the meat industry.

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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #56 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:25am:

Greg that is the sort of idiotic pseudoscience the OP was criticising. No-one is saying we are natural carnivores. We are natural omnivores.

Most people are behavioural omnivores, sure.

However, humans are biologically herbivores.

I like to eat meat, but I don't subscribe to the 'protein propaganda' distributed by the meat industry.

What about the scientific community? If they agree with you, why do you choose to post what is so transparently idiotic pseudoscience instead of something real to back up what you say?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131562 Gender:	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #57 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:49am freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2018 at 10:25am: Greg that is the sort of idiotic pseudoscience the OP was criticising. No-one is saying we are natural carnivores. We are natural omnivores. Shall we go through each point, one by one?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47481 At my desk.	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #58 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:16am Sure. Can you explain why your table compared humans to carnivores and herbivores, but left out omnivores? Idiotic pseudoscience, or just idiotic?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131562 Gender:	Re: Meat and evolution Reply #59 - Mar 21^st, 2018 at 11:21am
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