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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #15 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 2:03pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Actually, humans are natural herbivores.



Again with the one line idiocy

Humans have eyes on the front of their heads, to enable them to judge the distance of their prey
Humans have canine teeth to tear meat
Humans have a digestive system designed for both meat and vegetables
Humans are omniverious

Hey troll
Get an education

I'm curious about your motivation to be a troll?

Is it truly that you have no real life?
Is it that you get some form of gratification from it?
Are you so poorly constructed mentally that you think what you do is funny?

Or are you simply a twisted individual who worships the retarded and sick of this world?

I'm curious tell me in more than you single line irritating and derogatory platform.

If you can muster your twisted thoughts enough to answer truthfully
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Reply #16 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 2:53pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 12:32pm:
cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 12:11pm:
I think man learned to kill.. remember those clubs they invented... Roll Eyes

long before he learned to till the land....

the most powerful animals in the world  eat meat they dont graze....we humans have learnt to do both... I do not see wrong in any of it to be honest..

your beliefs are not mine and vice versa....

so what we both exist.....

I am with grap   its is the way we treat animals that some folks think they are doing animals a favor by not eating meat....

well it hasnt worked as far as I can see....in some cultures they are damn  right cruel.  I hate it....but if I stopped eating meat it wouldnt stop that cruelty sadly..

we need other measure to do that..


I dont eat a lot of meat today  because it costs an awful lot....I wonder if I am making a difference to the world at large... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did a big meat shop today at one of the best butchers in Australia. They'd run out of mince and made it while I waited.
It was made from mostly rump (smaller bit that don't look as goodf for display) and a little bit of wagyu trimmings which he said was for flavour. $9/KG with my loyalty discount. Also their rump is only $17/kg  So cheap. Dollar for dollar meat give you the best bang for your buck for nutrition.

Oh and all the meat I buy is pasture raised and the cow has just one bad day.

I would never ever ever buy meat from a supermarket.
https://victorchurchill.com/our-producers/#our-producers-intro
https://victorchurchill.com/store/#entrance







well you are one of the lucky ones gordy... $9 a kilo for something with all the best cuts in it...really???>

as for cheap rump   it usually is cheap   budget or whatever its called....sorry   your butcher can obviously tell you anything... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I go for coles when I can because they claim its hormone free and I dont think they would be allowed to advertise that if it wasnt true....

sadly for me its the same with fish....too expensive and i wont eat the cheap stuff..as its imported from god knows where..

and I love my prawns  Cry Cry

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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #17 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 3:12pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 2:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 12:32pm:
cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 12:11pm:
I think man learned to kill.. remember those clubs they invented... Roll Eyes

long before he learned to till the land....

the most powerful animals in the world  eat meat they dont graze....we humans have learnt to do both... I do not see wrong in any of it to be honest..

your beliefs are not mine and vice versa....

so what we both exist.....

I am with grap   its is the way we treat animals that some folks think they are doing animals a favor by not eating meat....

well it hasnt worked as far as I can see....in some cultures they are damn  right cruel.  I hate it....but if I stopped eating meat it wouldnt stop that cruelty sadly..

we need other measure to do that..


I dont eat a lot of meat today  because it costs an awful lot....I wonder if I am making a difference to the world at large... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did a big meat shop today at one of the best butchers in Australia. They'd run out of mince and made it while I waited.
It was made from mostly rump (smaller bit that don't look as goodf for display) and a little bit of wagyu trimmings which he said was for flavour. $9/KG with my loyalty discount. Also their rump is only $17/kg  So cheap. Dollar for dollar meat give you the best bang for your buck for nutrition.

Oh and all the meat I buy is pasture raised and the cow has just one bad day.

I would never ever ever buy meat from a supermarket.
https://victorchurchill.com/our-producers/#our-producers-intro
https://victorchurchill.com/store/#entrance







well you are one of the lucky ones gordy... $9 a kilo for something with all the best cuts in it...really???>

as for cheap rump   it usually is cheap   budget or whatever its called....sorry   your butcher can obviously tell you anything... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I go for coles when I can because they claim its hormone free and I dont think they would be allowed to advertise that if it wasnt true....

sadly for me its the same with fish....too expensive and i wont eat the cheap stuff..as its imported from god knows where..

and I love my prawns  Cry Cry



Check the link of the butcher, they're one of the most trusted wholesalers to high end restaurants Smiley

Yeah fish too, only from the fish market.
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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #18 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 3:17pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 3:12pm:
cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 2:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 12:32pm:
cods wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 12:11pm:
I think man learned to kill.. remember those clubs they invented... Roll Eyes

long before he learned to till the land....

the most powerful animals in the world  eat meat they dont graze....we humans have learnt to do both... I do not see wrong in any of it to be honest..

your beliefs are not mine and vice versa....

so what we both exist.....

I am with grap   its is the way we treat animals that some folks think they are doing animals a favor by not eating meat....

well it hasnt worked as far as I can see....in some cultures they are damn  right cruel.  I hate it....but if I stopped eating meat it wouldnt stop that cruelty sadly..

we need other measure to do that..


I dont eat a lot of meat today  because it costs an awful lot....I wonder if I am making a difference to the world at large... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did a big meat shop today at one of the best butchers in Australia. They'd run out of mince and made it while I waited.
It was made from mostly rump (smaller bit that don't look as goodf for display) and a little bit of wagyu trimmings which he said was for flavour. $9/KG with my loyalty discount. Also their rump is only $17/kg  So cheap. Dollar for dollar meat give you the best bang for your buck for nutrition.

Oh and all the meat I buy is pasture raised and the cow has just one bad day.

I would never ever ever buy meat from a supermarket.
https://victorchurchill.com/our-producers/#our-producers-intro
https://victorchurchill.com/store/#entrance







well you are one of the lucky ones gordy... $9 a kilo for something with all the best cuts in it...really???>

as for cheap rump   it usually is cheap   budget or whatever its called....sorry   your butcher can obviously tell you anything... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I go for coles when I can because they claim its hormone free and I dont think they would be allowed to advertise that if it wasnt true....

sadly for me its the same with fish....too expensive and i wont eat the cheap stuff..as its imported from god knows where..

and I love my prawns  Cry Cry



Check the link of the butcher, they're one of the most trusted wholesalers to high end restaurants Smiley

Yeah fish too, only from the fish market.



it looks very grand and pricey   selling mince with waguy  for $9  doesnt sound right....though...

the place does sound good but its for the Packers I would say...not lowly people like me....I can but look in the window..
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Re: Meat and evolution
Reply #19 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 3:28pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Actually, humans are natural herbivores.



Again with the one line idiocy

Humans have eyes on the front of their heads, to enable them to judge the distance of their prey
Humans have canine teeth to tear meat
Humans have a digestive system designed for both meat and vegetables
Humans are omniverious

Hey troll
Get an education

I'm curious about your motivation to be a troll?

Is it truly that you have no real life?
Is it that you get some form of gratification from it?
Are you so poorly constructed mentally that you think what you do is funny?

Or are you simply a twisted individual who worships the retarded and sick of this world?

I'm curious tell me in more than you single line irritating and derogatory platform.

If you can muster your twisted thoughts enough to answer truthfully



It's not idiocy - it's a fact.

Humans are natural herbivores.

I'm not knocking meat eaters - as I've said before, I eat way too much red meat myself.

However, the simple fact of the matter is this: humans are natural herbivores.
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Reply #20 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 3:40pm
 
Then explain the eyes, the teeth and the digestive system fool.

Do you ever think, just one in you silly little life, that you might just be WRONG?
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Reply #21 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:07pm
 
I think you've missed GP's point Valkie.
Humans are 'natural' Herbivores
and now - they are also natural Carnivores too.

The early branches of Hominids, right from the even earlier Ape ancestry was totally 'Herbivorous'.
It was only until Homo-Agastus came on the scene and started scavenging 'meat' from dead animals, did things start to change in a new direction.
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Reply #22 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:11pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
I think you've missed GP's point Valkie.
Humans are 'natural' Herbivores
and now - they are also natural Carnivores too.

The early branches of Hominids, right from the even earlier Ape ancestry was totally 'Herbivorous'.
It was only until Homo-Agastus came on the scene and started scavenging 'meat' from dead animals, did things start to change in a new direction.


Eating meat allowed early humans to gain their nutrition quickly then spend the surplus time doing more interesting things.
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Reply #23 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:16pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 3:40pm:
Then explain the eyes, the teeth and the digestive system fool.

Do you ever think, just one in you silly little life, that you might just be WRONG?


Indeed.

When I first encountered you on this forum, I thought you were a decent person.

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Reply #24 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:24pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 2:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Actually, humans are natural herbivores.



Again with the one line idiocy

Humans have eyes on the front of their heads, to enable them to judge the distance of their prey

Humans have canine teeth to tear meat
Humans have a digestive system designed for both meat and vegetables
Humans are omniverious

Hey troll
Get an education

I'm curious about your motivation to be a troll?

Is it truly that you have no real life?
Is it that you get some form of gratification from it?
Are you so poorly constructed mentally that you think what you do is funny?

Or are you simply a twisted individual who worships the retarded and sick of this world?

I'm curious tell me in more than you single line irritating and derogatory platform.

If you can muster your twisted thoughts enough to answer truthfully



The hippopotamus has canine teeth.

Gorillas have canine teeth.

The saber-toothed deer has canine teeth.

The Gelada baboon has canine teeth.

Camels have canine teeth.

The, wait for it ... peccary has canine teeth.

Not a lot of meat eaten among that lot.

For future reference, the “If I wasn’t meant to eat meat, then I wouldn’t have these canine teeth!” argument is the weakest of them all.

With the exception of rodents, rabbits, and pikas, nearly all mammals have canine teeth.

In fact, several herbivores and primary plant-eaters have ferocious canine teeth.


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Reply #25 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 6:00pm
 
Our eyes have evolved to hunt prey, to know how far away they are and to hunt

Canines can be for meat eaters and for defence
Gorillas also occasionally hunt monkeys for meat.

Humans evolved to be omniverious, we can consume meat or vegitarian matter
But not vegitarian matter only, the diet has to be supplemented or you become ill.

No human can subsist on hay, grass or other vegitarian matter that true vegitarian animals thrive on, our gut isn't designed to do it.

Mankind is a hunter predator
No matter how much you and your I'll deny it
We have thrived and grown for millions of years being omniverious
It's only recently, when sad twisted people have found fault with being a predatory animal

Next you will be saying that man and women are the same , and that is just sick.
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Reply #26 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 6:09pm
 
Quote:
Canines can be for meat eaters and for defence

Can be, yes.

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Gorillas also occasionally hunt monkeys for meat.

Occasionally, yes.

Quote:
Humans evolved to be omniverious, we can consume meat or vegitarian matter
But not vegitarian matter only, the diet has to be supplemented or you become ill.

100% incorrect.

Quote:
No human can subsist on hay, grass or other vegitarian matter that true vegitarian animals thrive on, our gut isn't designed to do it.

Completely incorrect, again.

Now, what about all of the other herbivorous animals that have canines?

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Reply #27 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 6:11pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
I think you've missed GP's point Valkie.
Humans are 'natural' Herbivores
and now - they are also natural Carnivores too.

The early branches of Hominids, right from the even earlier Ape ancestry was totally 'Herbivorous'.
It was only until Homo-Agastus came on the scene and started scavenging 'meat' from dead animals, did things start to change in a new direction.


Eating meat allowed early humans to gain their nutrition quickly then spend the surplus time doing more interesting things.


So very true.
It was a diet that metabolised much faster than chewing plants and gave a higher 'short term' energy output.
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Reply #28 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 6:18pm
 
Almost right Valkie.

But humans can survive just on 'herbivorous' diets.
The down-side is that they miss out on a lot - that comes with meats, etc.

My sibling has always been a strict 'Plant eater'.
He is more 'squatty' in appearance than my more lean 'erect' physic of mostly 'meat' eating.

Humans can survive on either alone, or both.
We are lucky in that respects.
There are always 'side-effects' though.
Like those peoples around the world who's diets are mostly dominated by one type of food, like Corn or Apricots (these people lived to 120 years of age until MacDonalds & Coca Cola showed up) or Wheat, etc.

In life-rafts lost at sea.
The Polynesian Whalers would be last to die (93 days without food, but for cannibalism, is the record) with the Negro whalers dying first from starvation. The Polynesian spent 800 years drumming up their ability to go long periods without food or very little during their journeys in search of islands. Of course, the side-effect is that they 'get really obese' these days - compared to others, thanks to 'easy food'.
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Reply #29 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 

Carl Lewis

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"I've found that a person does not need protein from meat to be a successful athlete. In fact, my best year of track competition was the first year I ate a vegan diet.

"Moreover, by continuing to eat a vegan diet, my weight is under control, I like the way I look. (I know that sounds vain, but all of us want to like the way we look.) I enjoy eating more, and I feel great."


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