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Reply #75 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:55pm
 
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Reply #76 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 5:11pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Isn't Kant's Critique of Pure Reason also part of the cognitive architecture of the mind?

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Harry Potter : Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Professor Albus Dumbledore : Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?



Interesting dilemma. Is the mind, are ideas, real in the sense matter is real with predicates like dimentions, in time, place,  relations, causality etc. Does the mind have such material qualities? How big is a big idea? What makes you think that a big idea is bigger than another idea?

Or is the mind - pure reason as Kant called it - organises the world according to its own inbuilt, a priori architecture to enable a perception and comprehension. The mind brings these attributes to the world by which the non-material dimension (the mind) can commune and engage with the material dimension and apprehend it.



Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God.  So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? It doesn't sound very robust.
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Reply #77 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:48pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:55pm:
Also this: Dark Star v Black Hole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bugbh3jybvc


It's the commonly accepted term in astrophysics despite its shonky etymology. Black holes only possess mass, electric charge, and angular momentum. All other information is stored at the event horizon. Time no longer exists in a black hole.

Sagittarius A* contains about 4 million solar masses.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-05-12/black-hole-sagittariusa-milky-way...

The singularity at the center of a black hole is  a place where matter is compressed down to an infinitely tiny point, and all conceptions of time and space completely break down.
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Reply #78 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:58pm
 
Ah! So THIS IS WHERE the interesting people of OzPol hang out.

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Did you know that the number 4 is designated as the BLACK HOLE number?

Think of any word, name, thing etc.

For e.g. the word ‘‘mathematics”, has eleven letters.

Now ‘eleven’ in turn has six letters.

‘Six’ has three letters.

‘Three’ has five letters.

‘Five’ has four letters.

And how many letters does ‘four’ have?

FOUR!

Think of any other word and you’ll arrive at the same dead end.



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Reply #79 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:10pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 5:11pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Isn't Kant's Critique of Pure Reason also part of the cognitive architecture of the mind?

Trivial poking stick:
Quote:
Harry Potter : Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Professor Albus Dumbledore : Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?



Interesting dilemma. Is the mind, are ideas, real in the sense matter is real with predicates like dimentions, in time, place,  relations, causality etc. Does the mind have such material qualities? How big is a big idea? What makes you think that a big idea is bigger than another idea?

Or is the mind - pure reason as Kant called it - organises the world according to its own inbuilt, a priori architecture to enable a perception and comprehension. The mind brings these attributes to the world by which the non-material dimension (the mind) can commune and engage with the material dimension and apprehend it.



Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God.  So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? It doesn't sound very robust.

Dont follow.

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Reply #80 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:10pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 5:11pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Isn't Kant's Critique of Pure Reason also part of the cognitive architecture of the mind?

Trivial poking stick:
Quote:
Harry Potter : Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Professor Albus Dumbledore : Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?



Interesting dilemma. Is the mind, are ideas, real in the sense matter is real with predicates like dimentions, in time, place,  relations, causality etc. Does the mind have such material qualities? How big is a big idea? What makes you think that a big idea is bigger than another idea?

Or is the mind - pure reason as Kant called it - organises the world according to its own inbuilt, a priori architecture to enable a perception and comprehension. The mind brings these attributes to the world by which the non-material dimension (the mind) can commune and engage with the material dimension and apprehend it.



Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God.  So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? It doesn't sound very robust.

Dont follow.



I think I know why :

Quick recap (for context):

"The 18th-century German philosopher Immanuel Kant (1781) advocated a blend of rationalist and empiricist theories. Kant says, "Although all our cognition begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from [is caused by] experience." According to Kant, a priori cognition is transcendental, or based on the form of all possible experience, while a posteriori cognition is empirical, based on the content of experience."

That word transcendental can be confusing. Why? It has a couple of meanings.

"In philosophy, transcendence is the basic ground concept from the word's literal meaning (from Latin), of climbing or going beyond, albeit with varying connotations in its different historical and cultural stages. It includes philosophies, systems, and approaches that describe the fundamental structures of being, not as an ontology (theory of being), but as the framework of emergence and validation of knowledge of being."

"Religious definition - transcendence refers to the aspect of God's nature and power which is wholly independent of the material universe, beyond all physical laws. This is contrasted with immanence, where a god is said to be fully present in the physical world and thus accessible to creatures in various ways."
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Reply #81 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:32pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:19pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:10pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 5:11pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Isn't Kant's Critique of Pure Reason also part of the cognitive architecture of the mind?

Trivial poking stick:
Quote:
Harry Potter : Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Professor Albus Dumbledore : Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?



Interesting dilemma. Is the mind, are ideas, real in the sense matter is real with predicates like dimentions, in time, place,  relations, causality etc. Does the mind have such material qualities? How big is a big idea? What makes you think that a big idea is bigger than another idea?

Or is the mind - pure reason as Kant called it - organises the world according to its own inbuilt, a priori architecture to enable a perception and comprehension. The mind brings these attributes to the world by which the non-material dimension (the mind) can commune and engage with the material dimension and apprehend it.



Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God.  So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? It doesn't sound very robust.

Dont follow.



I think I know why :

Quick recap (for context):

"The 18th-century German philosopher Immanuel Kant (1781) advocated a blend of rationalist and empiricist theories. Kant says, "Although all our cognition begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from [is caused by] experience." According to Kant, a priori cognition is transcendental, or based on the form of all possible experience, while a posteriori cognition is empirical, based on the content of experience."

That word transcendental can be confusing. Why? It has a couple of meanings.

We got all that.  The contentions from me are:

1. Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God. - don't  see the 'obviously'

2.   So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? Don't know what is meant by 'so' or what comes after it.

3.   It doesn't sound very robust.  Don't know what this is gesticulating to.

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Reply #82 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:32pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:19pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:10pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 5:11pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Isn't Kant's Critique of Pure Reason also part of the cognitive architecture of the mind?

Trivial poking stick:
Quote:
Harry Potter : Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Professor Albus Dumbledore : Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?



Interesting dilemma. Is the mind, are ideas, real in the sense matter is real with predicates like dimentions, in time, place,  relations, causality etc. Does the mind have such material qualities? How big is a big idea? What makes you think that a big idea is bigger than another idea?

Or is the mind - pure reason as Kant called it - organises the world according to its own inbuilt, a priori architecture to enable a perception and comprehension. The mind brings these attributes to the world by which the non-material dimension (the mind) can commune and engage with the material dimension and apprehend it.



Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God.  So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? It doesn't sound very robust.

Dont follow.



I think I know why :

Quick recap (for context):

"The 18th-century German philosopher Immanuel Kant (1781) advocated a blend of rationalist and empiricist theories. Kant says, "Although all our cognition begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from [is caused by] experience." According to Kant, a priori cognition is transcendental, or based on the form of all possible experience, while a posteriori cognition is empirical, based on the content of experience."

That word transcendental can be confusing. Why? It has a couple of meanings.

We got all that.  The contentions from me are:

1. Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God. - don't  see the 'obviously'

2.   So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? Don't know what is meant by 'so' or what comes after it.

3.   It doesn't sound very robust.  Don't know what this is gesticulating to.



I can't speak for our learned friend BUT I do recall that there is nothing at all obvious about Kant given his works were terribly translated across into English.

In fact that's the root cause of a lot of sore points re Kant.

(When I was studying for my BA at Sydney Uni we used to have massive arguments in philosophy lectures over Kant because we couldn't agree on whether he was a theist or not. It wasn't always clear. Why? The translations were problematic)

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Reply #83 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:13pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:03pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:32pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:19pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:10pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:30pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 5:11pm:
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 4:08pm:
Isn't Kant's Critique of Pure Reason also part of the cognitive architecture of the mind?

Trivial poking stick:
Quote:
Harry Potter : Is this all real? Or is it just happening inside my head? Professor Albus Dumbledore : Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry. Why should that mean that it's not real?



Interesting dilemma. Is the mind, are ideas, real in the sense matter is real with predicates like dimentions, in time, place,  relations, causality etc. Does the mind have such material qualities? How big is a big idea? What makes you think that a big idea is bigger than another idea?

Or is the mind - pure reason as Kant called it - organises the world according to its own inbuilt, a priori architecture to enable a perception and comprehension. The mind brings these attributes to the world by which the non-material dimension (the mind) can commune and engage with the material dimension and apprehend it.



Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God.  So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? It doesn't sound very robust.

Dont follow.



I think I know why :

Quick recap (for context):

"The 18th-century German philosopher Immanuel Kant (1781) advocated a blend of rationalist and empiricist theories. Kant says, "Although all our cognition begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from [is caused by] experience." According to Kant, a priori cognition is transcendental, or based on the form of all possible experience, while a posteriori cognition is empirical, based on the content of experience."

That word transcendental can be confusing. Why? It has a couple of meanings.

We got all that.  The contentions from me are:

1. Kant's apriori architecture obviously contained God. - don't  see the 'obviously'

2.   So Buddhist  philosophy is a different (?) a-priori arcitecture? Don't know what is meant by 'so' or what comes after it.

3.   It doesn't sound very robust.  Don't know what this is gesticulating to.



I can't speak for our learned friend BUT I do recall that there is nothing at all obvious about Kant given his works were terribly translated across into English.

In fact that's the root cause of a lot of sore points re Kant.

(When I was studying for my BA at Sydney Uni we used to have massive arguments in philosophy lectures over Kant because we couldn't agree on whether he was a theist or not. It wasn't always clear. Why? The translations were problematic)


That's about the numeneus in Kant.  Related, because  of metaphysics,  but quite distinct from the critique (ie the extent and limits ) of pure reason, morality and aesthetics, his three critical works on the mind.
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Reply #84 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:33pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:48pm:
Jasin wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 7:55pm:
Also this: Dark Star v Black Hole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bugbh3jybvc


It's the commonly accepted term in astrophysics despite its shonky etymology. Black holes only possess mass, electric charge, and angular momentum. All other information is stored at the event horizon. Time no longer exists in a black hole.

Sagittarius A* contains about 4 million solar masses.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-05-12/black-hole-sagittariusa-milky-way...

The singularity at the center of a black hole is  a place where matter is compressed down to an infinitely tiny point, and all conceptions of time and space completely break down.


How can anyone possibly know that time does not exist in what is loosely termed a black hole?

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Reply #85 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 6:51am
 
issuevoter wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:33pm:
How can anyone possibly know that time does not exist in what is loosely termed a black hole?



Actually I should have said that a Black Hole does not possess spacial dimensions, which includes time.

Grammar becomes problematic because there is no “in”.

It all stems from General Relativity - gravitational time dilation. If you have a GPS, it has to take this effect into account.

Here’s a link:

https://profoundphysics.com/why-time-slows-down-near-a-black-hole/

Time and space dimensions are infinitely compressed "in" a black hole. That’s the nearest I can get without delving into the maths.

The density of all black holes is infinite. That’s because a finite mass is compressed to a single point. ( a singularity). It’s difficult to speak of a singularity using normal grammar rules. The only properties of a black hole are its mass, charge and angular momentum. All dimensions, including time are compressed to a zero volume.

This has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. Grin



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Reply #86 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 8:40am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 6:51am:
issuevoter wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 11:33pm:
How can anyone possibly know that time does not exist in what is loosely termed a black hole?



Actually I should have said that a Black Hole does not possess spacial dimensions, which includes time.

Grammar becomes problematic because there is no “in”.

It all stems from General Relativity - gravitational time dilation. If you have a GPS, it has to take this effect into account.

Here’s a link:

https://profoundphysics.com/why-time-slows-down-near-a-black-hole/

Time and space dimensions are infinitely compressed "in" a black hole. That’s the nearest I can get without delving into the maths.

The density of all black holes is infinite. That’s because a finite mass is compressed to a single point. ( a singularity). It’s difficult to speak of a singularity using normal grammar rules. The only properties of a black hole are its mass, charge and angular momentum. All dimensions, including time are compressed to a zero volume.

This has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. Grin







No, but it has parallels to a "faith" in God, when it cannot be explained to anyone other than the "mathematically converted." Metaphors like a bowling ball on a trampoline convey nothing.

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Reply #87 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 9:26am
 
issuevoter wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 8:40am:
No, but it has parallels to a "faith" in God, when it cannot be explained to anyone other than the "mathematically converted." Metaphors like a bowling ball on a trampoline convey nothing.



Unlike "faith in God", it has been subjected to many challenges and on the whole, most of its predictions have been demonstrated to be valid.

Any new theory (and General Relativity is not new) is beaten to within an inch of its life by scientific challenges, and if it survives that, it's survives as a useful "lie". It works until we can come up with something better. That "something better" may be the unified field theory, because  General Relativity breaks down at the subatomic level.

String theory for example, proposes six or seven dimensions of hyperspace in addition to the four common dimensions for a ten- or eleven-dimensional spacetime.

Gravity is a property of mass. It distorts spacetime, which is the reason the Earth orbits the Sun.

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Until some time ago, it could be regarded as possible that Kant’s system of a priori concepts and norms really could withstand the test of time. This was defensible as long as the content of later science held to be confirmed) did not violate those norms. This case occurred indisputably only with the theory of relativity. However, if one does not want to assert that relativity theory goes against reason, one cannot retain the a priori concepts and norms of Kant’s system.
Albert Einstein

What I was inferring before is that the choice of elements to be designated as a priori is arbitrary and "Kant-centric". A Buddhist for example may choose a different choice of a priori elements which is still consistent with the observed physical system.
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Reply #88 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 9:36am
 
John_Taverner wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 9:26am:
issuevoter wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 8:40am:
No, but it has parallels to a "faith" in God, when it cannot be explained to anyone other than the "mathematically converted." Metaphors like a bowling ball on a trampoline convey nothing.



Then don't believe what your GPS tells you.

Gravity is a property of mass. It distorts spacetime, which is the reason the Earth orbits the Sun.

For Frank:

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Until some time ago, it could be regarded as possible that Kant’s system of a priori concepts and norms really could withstand the test of time. This was defensible as long as the content of later science held to be confirmed*) did not violate those norms. This case occurred indisputably only with the theory of relativity. However, if one does not want to assert that relativity theory goes against reason, one cannot retain the a priori concepts and norms of Kant’s system.
Albert Einstein

What I was inferring before is that the choice of elements to be designated as a priori is arbitrary and "Kant-centric". A Buddhist for example may choose a different choice of a priori elements which is still consistent with an observed physical system.



A certain Chinese encyclopedia called the Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge is said to divide animals into
(a) - those that belong to the Emperor,
(b) - embalmed ones,
(c) - those that are trained,
(d) - suckling pigs,
(e) - mermaids,
(f) - fabulous ones,
(g) - stray dogs,
(h) - those that are included in the present classification,
(i) - those that tremble as if they are mad,
(j) - innumerable ones,
(k) - those drawn with a very fine camelhair brush,
(l) - others,
(m) - those that have just broken a flower vase,
(n) - those that look like flies from a long way off.


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Reply #89 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 9:48am
 
I modified my post while you were posting. (a bad habit of mine). I do other things apart from posting here. I was walking the dog while the post was in limbo. You might like to read it again.
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